Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Chris J. Ruschmann 
Cisco nexus 5010 on eBay is cheap and will IMHO get you better rates for your 
testing…



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Subject: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC into and 
use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for used, ugly, bulky, 
etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly testing. Not real world 
environment.

Tnx



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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Sean Heskett 
planet


On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Bob Moldashel 
wrote:

> Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC into
> and use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for used, ugly,
> bulky, etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly testing. Not real
> world environment.
>
> Tnx
>
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
We don’t see issues with F/B interference with 450 very often in 5.7 but it’s 
much more significant in 3.65.  Typical issue will be poor SNR for the close-in 
customers even though they have excellent signal.

Mark

> On Mar 21, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> It can happen. I recommend using maybe an omni for the VERY close in 
> customers or a second 'radio layer' for the close in...Like 50'-1500'
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> 
>> Client on east AP interfering with west AP.
>> 
>> 
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison
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>> But they'll listen at the same time, too, from CPEs on the other AP.
>> 
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>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Seth Mattinen > > wrote:
>> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> > Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
>> > increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
>> they will all TX at the same time.
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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Carlos Alcantar 

Cisco Catalyst (WS-C4948-10GE) should be able to do it.  there 4948's are good 
utility switches they have dual ac/dc options and are fairly inexpensive.



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I wouldn’t use in production, but I’ve got a few Quanta LB6M switches in my lab.
You can find them on ebay for 100-300 USD usually.

Sincerely,

Eric Tykwinski
TrueNet, Inc.
P: 610-429-8300

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Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:55 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC into and 
use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for used, ugly, bulky, 
etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly testing. Not real world 
environment.

Tnx



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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Jeremy Austin 
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Eric Tykwinski 
wrote:

> I wouldn’t use in production, but I’ve got a few Quanta LB6M switches in
> my lab.
>
> You can find them on ebay for 100-300 USD usually.
>

I concur with this. They're dirt cheap, but also don't support 1G SFPs.
Caveat emptor.



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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Eric Tykwinski 
I wouldn’t use in production, but I’ve got a few Quanta LB6M switches in my lab.

You can find them on ebay for 100-300 USD usually.

 

Sincerely,

 

Eric Tykwinski

TrueNet, Inc.

P: 610-429-8300

 

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Of Bob Moldashel
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Subject: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

 

Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC into and 
use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for used, ugly, bulky, 
etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly testing. Not real world 
environment.

 

Tnx

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Tony C. Loosle 
The UBNT model does work well, even if the firmware, as with all ubnt 
products is buggy.


10GB switch is not cheap.   Netgear XS708E also works well.  I have 
found a couple off ebay in the 4-450.00 range






Nick Bright wrote:

On 3/21/2017 1:55 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:

Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC
into and use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for
used, ugly, bulky, etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly
testing. Not real world environment.

Tnx


https://routerboard.com/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM

24x 1Gbps and 2x SFP+ switch. Not sure if that meets your needs, but
they're around $100.

If you need "a lot" of 10G ports there are some 8-10 port models
available for $700-1000 if I do some searches on newegg. I see a UBNT
US-16-XG appears to have 16x 10G ports, 12 optical/4 copper, in a $600
price range.



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Re: [WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Nick Bright 
On 3/21/2017 1:55 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
> Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC 
> into and use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for 
> used, ugly, bulky, etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly 
> testing. Not real world environment.
>
> Tnx
>
https://routerboard.com/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM

24x 1Gbps and 2x SFP+ switch. Not sure if that meets your needs, but 
they're around $100.

If you need "a lot" of 10G ports there are some 8-10 port models 
available for $700-1000 if I do some searches on newegg. I see a UBNT 
US-16-XG appears to have 16x 10G ports, 12 optical/4 copper, in a $600 
price range.

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[WISPA] 10 gig Switch

2017-03-21 Thread Bob Moldashel 
Anyone have any suggestions for a cheap switch I can plug 10 gig GBIC into and 
use for testing new 5 and 10 GiGE radios with.  Looking for used, ugly, bulky, 
etc. Most of all looking for cheap.  Strictly testing. Not real world 
environment.
Tnx


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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Jon Langeler 
It can happen. I recommend using maybe an omni for the VERY close in customers 
or a second 'radio layer' for the close in...Like 50'-1500'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 21, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Client on east AP interfering with west AP.
> 
> 
> 
> -
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> 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
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> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
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> The Brothers WISP
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> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 11:45:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison
> 
> But they'll listen at the same time, too, from CPEs on the other AP.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> > Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
>> > increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
>> they will all TX at the same time.
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Mike Hammett 
Client on east AP interfering with west AP. 




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But they'll listen at the same time, too, from CPEs on the other AP. 






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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote: 
> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to 
> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation? 
> 


The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since 
they will all TX at the same time. 

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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Sean Heskett 
it's a non issue.

the 450m is designed in every way for high density, high capacity
deployment.

-sean


On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Marco Coelho  wrote:

> I understand that, but sm on the rear of a panel can interfere with it if
> there is freq overlap.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> > Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
>> > increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>> >
>>
>>
>> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
>> they will all TX at the same time.
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Seth Mattinen 
On 3/21/17 09:44, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I understand that, but sm on the rear of a panel can interfere with it
> if there is freq overlap.


Set the SM Receive Target Level to whatever is appropriate.

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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Matt 
F/B ratio is critical when doing ABAB channel reuse even with sync.  I
imagine the 450m spec sheet states the F/B.



On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
>> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
>> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>>
>
>
> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
> they will all TX at the same time.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
But they'll listen at the same time, too, from CPEs on the other AP.


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On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
> > Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
> > increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
> >
>
>
> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
> they will all TX at the same time.
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Marco Coelho 
I understand that, but sm on the rear of a panel can interfere with it if
there is freq overlap.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
> > Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
> > increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
> >
>
>
> The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since
> they will all TX at the same time.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Seth Mattinen 
On 3/21/17 09:31, Marco Coelho wrote:
> Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to
> increase the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?
>


The sectors hearing each other isn't really an issue with GPS sync since 
they will all TX at the same time.

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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Marco Coelho 
Those using the 450m, are you having to put anything behind the to increase
the F/B ratio instead of physical separation?


On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 450m if revenue supports it.
>
> Epmp if not.
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> On Mar 21, 2017 12:12 PM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone want to offer a comparison of the different equipment listed.
>> Cost, real throughput, Reliability, Customer Satisfaction,
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Re: [WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Josh Luthman 
450m if revenue supports it.

Epmp if not.

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On Mar 21, 2017 12:12 PM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

> Anyone want to offer a comparison of the different equipment listed.
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[WISPA] Cambium 450, 450m, and epmp in 5.X GHz Comparison

2017-03-21 Thread Marco Coelho 
Anyone want to offer a comparison of the different equipment listed.
Cost, real throughput, Reliability, Customer Satisfaction,

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