Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Michael Erskine wrote: It seems that we are all quite busy, John. I want to comment and agree with your sentiment if I may. This list is a *professional* list. People's politics are irrelevant and people who can not separate politics from their profession are immature socially. Just tongue in cheek. Of course this is a *professional* list. Terribly sorry. I'll just go over by the door. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
Michael Erskine wrote: Jack Unger wrote: Michael, OK but please clarify. No need to be vague here. Who was paranoid and/or what was the "slip"? jack Michael Erskine wrote: Jack Unger wrote: For the moment anyway, it appears that ISPs will not be required to block websites based on either "suspicion" or on the orders of governmental agencies that may or may not have specific political motivations to deny free speech in the name of protecting public "security" or "safety". jack Then there appears to be nothing to be either overly political in our comment or excessively paranoid in our thinking? That is good. Therefore let us try not to do that. Leadership is a tough place to stand neutral politically and it is understandable that the occasional slip happens. Never the less, politics ans paranoia are not the purpose of WISPA. -m- Jack I quoted the pertinents. There is no reason to suggest that "governmental agencies" with "political motivations" would try to "deny free speech" in the name of "protecting security or safety". My son (the Iraq war combat veteran with a purple heart) and I talked the other day. He goes back next week. I said, "Son, are we winning the war?" He said, "That depends upon your definition of winning?" He explained that he and his brothers are "bait". Yep, his words exactly. They are "bait" because Al Queda is too damn stupid to simply come to the US and kill people. They take the easy target, Americans in Iraq. Most folks don't get that. I got it from day one... six years ago. You see, they can kill our children in Iraq, or they can kill our people in Boston, New York, or wherever. Then he said, "but if you define winning as a self sustaining, independant, Iraqui government, that is going to take ten years." What does that mean to you and me? It means that Iraq is going to belong to Iran or Syria before it becomes a democracy. It means that you are going to be paying $5.00 per gallon before you are paying $2.50 per gallon. Vote for the liberal, pro gay, female of your choice... Is Ron Paul liberal and pro-gay, or would Bloomberg be more fun? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Tim Wolfe wrote: I was reading this thread, and I had a thought (scary thing!, LOL), it it possible that inside the conduit, there is a rough edge (maybe the edge of a junction box if you are not using LBE's?) that scraped off the outside covering and you now have exposed wires that you can not see?. Perhaps the wires are exposed somewhere and a little bit of moisture (even humidity) got inside the conduit and is causing the errors?. It would really be a long shot, as this rough edge would have to scrape off the shielding from both CAT5 cables, but I have seen stranger things. I have also had problems in the past from bad ballasts in flourescent lights. Even if they are a few feet away, they make all sorts of strange things happen. Another place to look is bad power supplies. I installed a radio at a customers home one time that had a power supply. It made noise thru every computer speaker. As soon as you unplugged the power supply, the noise went away. It also would allow the radio to boot up, but the ethernet was just screwy, sometimes passing packets, sometimes not. Good luck in your search!. Tim I just repaired an install done while the walls were open; the drywallers used a motor router to cut the junction box holes and went to a GREAT deal of effort to nick the wires in multiple locations. Sadly, I know these guys. ID10Tz. Oh well. I did not do the repair for free. The idea of frayed wires is a very good one. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Camera recommendation
George Rogato wrote: I need to do some outdoor ip security cams and server. I need for 3 cams. Not really looking for pan tilt zoom as much as clarity and wider angle lens My customers budget for the cams and server software is bout 2k, Any recommendations? Axis I see around a lot, but they are a bit expensive -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sample letter to your representatives
Ty Carter wrote: This is a sample copy of what I just sent my representative Use it, edit it, discard it... just send something... Thank you. Done. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interesting Call Today
Travis Johnson wrote: Wow... I got a call today from a lady in "Washington, DC" wanting 70-80 wireless connections "in our area" for a 3 month project. It was just a voicemail that she left, and I don't plan to call her back... The AT&T rep told our saleperson that he was looking for temporary (2 day service) to various locations that do not have access to cable/DSL or fiber. They need these connections for conference call meetings and will need our company to set up a wireless router at the location as well. He needs these connections done in as short as a 3-4 day window. Has anyone else had similar calls? Not sure if they are just fishing for information or what. Yes, I did. they emailed me. I quote: " We are interested in high speed internet on temporary basis like 1-2 days for approx 70-100 users in the areas you are already established and serving. The services would be used by government folks. We will be ready to use the services later in 2007 and most of 2008. Please let me know a contact name and number with email address so we can discuss this further. Thank you " or end quote. They responded to my reply as well. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mark, Justify it anyway you like. Civil disobedience is not a viable solution. I don't see a large number of people stepping up to the plate and defending your position. Whoa, there now! Civil disobedience is always a viable solution. This IS America (at least where I live), land of the free and home of the brave, a country of laws (remember?) and of the rights of all people guaranteed by our constitution and bill of rights. I remember the 60's and 70's (and participated) and I for one am NOT sorry. I am a war veteran, disabled by our conflict, and a war protester, and I am bloody well sensitive to the idea that my fights (for individual rights and the rights of our citizens to squawk like hell) was for nothing. Was it? I think our country was made, and made better, by civil disobedience, and that there is always a place for it. Always. Did I say always? Alan Cain The king can see that (I hope) without his spectacles. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Quite so. Very true. Tom DeReggi wrote: The idea is to put yourself in a spot that you won't feel the squeeze. When enough of your gear is paid for, enough of your cell sites are traded, once you've reached a scale to have rock bottom bandwidth, and spread your business around without all your eggs in one basket/market, it becomes easier. One of your markets can subsidize the other. When you send the message that under pricing you doesn't harm you, and doesn't help them succeed, they have no motive to continue wasting their money in that type of marketing. This is the year to figure out how to make your business less vulnerable, and be more competitive. The sooner one acknowledge that the competition is comming, the sooner one can prepair for it. If you aren't in a position to prepare for it, the only choice is to sell it to someone that is, or milk it for all its worth while it dies. But the idea that a First-in WISP can't compete, is wrong. What you need to do is identify the Anchor tenants and get them as fast as you can, preferably in long term contracts, to subsidize the others. Ironically, the markets that I'm growing fastest right now, are my most competitive markets. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Dylan Oliver wrote: What exactly is it you're going to file against this student? That is the question, isn't it. I am not a lawyer. Just pissed. I could file him with a nice rasp. (that is a joke) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
Dylan Oliver wrote: Alan, You offer wireless service at $40/mo, don't you? I'm surprised that anyone left you for $2.50 a month. Inertia alone is worth far more to people .. especially when it comes to things like changing internet addresses, and the prospect of having to learn something new. How fast is your service in that area? Have customers experienced any big outages recently? Could you *ask* them to rate your service vs. Qwest's, as they now experience it? Include points like: Speed .. Extra Services .. Price .. Quality of Customer Support .. Stability of Service. I can only imagine that Qwest targeted the whole area, not just your customers. How could they possibly know, short of driving around looking for antennas? Why would they waste the time looking when they could just call everyone in the area? Best, I *AM* probably certifiably paranoid. I have had to work with our favorite Grant County PUD (which is currently being sued for antitrust activities against local ISPs - you should check out www.sliderule.net for some Very Interesting Reading), and having had my face rubbed into how agencies and companies can truly act, I am a bit sensitive. I have JUST found out that they have a retired Qwest telecom engineer guy in the neighborhood who has been urging management to push hard; there is a new vacation home development coming on strong which would have been a big payoff for my investment there. A vacation spot for Microsofties (we are on the shores of a beautiful lake in Eastern Washington). And, I also found out yesterday that there is the issue of the Electrical Engineering/Computer Science student who has a Motorola Frequency Hopper. His senior project this winter (2006) was "Non-line-of-sight still image and telemetry communications using certain wireless technologies". He has been turning it on and off (yes, I can see it on my spectrum analyzer). Yesterday was very informative and a little discouraging. He had the gall to tell a non-technical neighbor that he had a frequency hopper at his house. We had a talk, and he said "Gee, I'm innocent - you don't suppose my smartbridge could fail that way, do you? Gosh, that would be like a denial of service attack - you do believe me, don't you?" I am pondering filing against him; that makes no friends but acts in a preventive fashion. I imagine everyone on this list has a strong opinion on that one. Sometimes you can have ticks, fleas and tapeworms. Sometimes they can suck you dry. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
George Rogato wrote: Alan Cain wrote: And quoting unit prices is fully effective enough. One of my POPs has gone from 20 customers to 1 customer, as Qwest has aggressively targeted the area with phone calls to each (!) of my customers 4, 5 and 6 times a week, offering 1.7 Mbps service for 37.50/month. The contract is vaguely and worded in very fine print so no one gets that it is an introductory price, with miscellaneous services and taxes extra. Many will probably rue the day, but I can't hold on to that POP with one customer. And how the heck did they get so specific on the customer list? Do they offer a cut to judas goats? They do the same thing around here. What speeds and price were you offering that they picked of most of your subs? 40.00 per month, 3 Mbps (actual). And we do offer hand holding, antivirus filtering, spam filtering and usually free truck rolls for problems (we only charge for the most clearly definable "not our fault" issues, such as computer repairs). We pride ourselves on customer service. Every one of the departing has said "so sorry to go - loved your service". Boils down to perfect service and perceived lowest price. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McCaw losing money?
George Rogato wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: I agree with almost everything you said... except the "triple play" revenue... Qwest is doing a triple play system (Qwest DSL, Qwest VoIP and DirecTV) for $99 per month with $0 install. Also, I don't have a problem with 30-50 year ROI for fiber... but ClearWire is wireless... all the equipment will have to swapped out in 5 years. Travis Microserv Qwest is finally doing better. More dsl revenue. But I wonder what the 99.00 doesn't include and how much the total package costs, with extra charges. They never tell the total price, they just quote a unit price. And quoting unit prices is fully effective enough. One of my POPs has gone from 20 customers to 1 customer, as Qwest has aggressively targeted the area with phone calls to each (!) of my customers 4, 5 and 6 times a week, offering 1.7 Mbps service for 37.50/month. The contract is vaguely and worded in very fine print so no one gets that it is an introductory price, with miscellaneous services and taxes extra. Many will probably rue the day, but I can't hold on to that POP with one customer. And how the heck did they get so specific on the customer list? Do they offer a cut to judas goats? I begin to think the big guys are now starting the big squeeze. Oh, expletive deleted. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA compliance methods
I, for one, welcome our new overlords. Our Canadian brothers and sisters are going to be dealing with their version of CALEA soon. This is a first reading of a bill in the Canadian legislative body. At least they address the issue of cost to ISPs; unfortunately, they also don't believe in unnecessary restrictions on their right to whatever they want. start quotishness: Unnamed so-and-so on slashdot writes "Bill C-416, recently introduced in the Canadian Parliament, would if passed require Internet providers to provide wiretapping facilities to law enforcement — without a warrant, and with 'confidentiality' requirements reminiscent of the secret-spying cases we've seen recently in the States. This new Act is a reprise of last Parliament's C-74, which failed when the Government's term ended." End quote. http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=2793679&Language=e&Mode=1&File=99#25 SUMMARY This enactment requires telecommunications service providers to put in place and maintain certain capabilities that facilitate the lawful interception of information transmitted by telecommunications and to provide basic information about their subscribers to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, the Commissioner of Competition and any police service constituted under the laws of a province. Exemption order by Governor in Council 30. (1) The Governor in Council may, on the recommendation of the Minister and the Minister of Industry, make an order exempting any class of telecommunications service providers from all or part of the obligations under any of sections 6, 9 to 11, 17, 18 and 28 or under any regulations made for the purposes of those sections. onsiderations (2) Before making an order, the Governor in Council shall consider (a) the extent to which the exemption would adversely affect national security or law enforcement; (b) whether the telecommunications service providers can comply with the obligations from which they would be exempted; (c) whether the costs of compliance with those obligations would have an unreasonable adverse effect on the business of the telecommunications service providers; and (d) whether compliance with those obligations would unreasonably impair the provision of telecommunications services to Canadians or the competitiveness of the Canadian telecommunications industry. 31. (1) The Governor in Council may, on the recommendation of the Minister, make regulations for carrying out the purposes and provisions of this Act and prescribing anything that is to be prescribed under this Act, including regulations (a) respecting obligations under subsection 6(1), including specifying the time, manner and form in which they must be performed and the circumstances in which they do not apply or need not be performed; (b) requiring telecommunications service providers to specify the locations where intercepted communications will be provided and governing which locations may be so specified; (c) respecting the operational requirements referred to in section 7, including matters of time, manner and form in relation to them and the circumstances in which they do not apply or need not be met and, for the purposes of paragraph 7(d), (i) providing for the minimum number and maximum number of simultaneous interceptions or the manner of determining them, (ii) prescribing what is to be counted as a single interception, (iii) governing requests to increase the number of those interceptions, including the circumstances in which requests may be made, the manner of making them and the duration of the increases, and (iv) respecting the maximum number of agencies for which a telecommunications service provider is to simultaneously enable interceptions; (d) for the purposes of subsection 15(3), prescribing matters that the Minister is to consider in deciding what amount is reasonable or what expenses are necessary; (e) for the purposes of sections 17 and 18, respecting the making of requests and the provision of information under those sections, including (i) specifying information that is to be provided with respect to name, address or other identifiers, the manner of — and time for — providing it and the circumstances under which particular information is to be provided, (ii) prescribing those other identifiers, and (iii) prescribing any confidentiality or security measures with which the telecommunications service provider must comply in providing that information; (f) for the purposes of section 24, respecting the assessment and testing of telecommunications facilities and transmission apparatus; and (g) for carrying out sections 34 to 49, including (i) designating any provision of this Act or of any regulation, or any order or class of orders made under this Act or any requirement or condition of such a provision or order or class of orders — or class of such requirements or
Re: [WISPA] Moisture Ingress
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I tried using silicone on the connectors but that eventually shrinks and there's something in it that corrodes the connectors. Bad idea. Acetic Acid (aka vinegar) is the byproduct of the curing process. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or so!! I don't have a cute secretary like Mary, Marlon. **200738030387** -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar power
I have some - the typical shopping list is like this: Kyocera solar panels - 4 kc130-k, at approx. 680.00 each - gives me 14 volts at 14 amps on a good day (to charge batteries) Mounting hardware - varies 100-200 wiring harnesses between panels - 50.00 wiring harness to charge controller (below) 20 Trojan l16H batteries - 2 to 4, at 270 each (+/-) wiring interconnects - Series to 12 volts, parallel from there 30.00 fuses and cutoff switch between batteries and everything else 40.00 fuses and cutoff switch between panels and everything else 40.00 charge controller - I have used shell 20's (120.00 with enclosure) successfully, though they are a bit low rated for the solar load - I have gone to Xantrex charge controllers with cute lights and battery temperature sensors (twice as much - 245 plus 29) voltage regulator (90.00) for 12 v to 18 v boost (range 6 v to 24 v) timer 50.00 (sometimes I set them up to be off from 1 am to 5 am, to save power during the gray, foggy period coming up)(December 1 to February 1) - that's why 4 batteries, too. It is better to add batteries than panels for the most part (see Kyocera panels above) and auto tilting mounts don't give us that much advantage up here above 45degrees north - just a few percent. In the southern lands, I'd give them a try. Enclosure for the stuff - varies, depending on whether I find a sweet box or build a little hut. ($ whatever) Grounding stuff. - rods, #2 copper wire, wire lugs, clamps. 100.00 About 5000.00 for a decent power setup for me. I am using Tranzeo radios, at 18 volts. Very Christmas-like, with the flickering lights on top of the tower... I have a generator handy for charging on really bad stretches - a Honda 2000i, for about 900.00, with a SERIOUS cable lock. And if the lousy communists/free spending democrats/stinking republican fascists/religious true believing kooks/screwed up militarists/nasty bird flu ridden ducks/global frying eco-terrorists/flaming radical libertarians make everything bad, I can harvest my stuff to power my house (WOO HOO!!) H maybe I should go take a look. I Am Armed. And carry sharp Multimeter probes. And, it's fun - bragging rights, ya know. I'll send you drawings if you want (on my time schedule - I am in the middle of an assembly right now :} ) There are several good supply houses for the parts, and most of them are Very Helpful. I'd tell you who I use, but that would be Bad Form. www.bigdam.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect
And they're going to hold the Public Utility Districts up as examples of wonderful partnerships, never mind that they are big fat bloated money holes taking the worst of public and joining it with the worst of private (see Grant county PUD, via www.sliderule.net) - did I come across as negative?? Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Great. Hang onto your wallets, guys. It's gonna get rocky. When you hear these guys say we gotta "do something about it", it means hand over massive piles of money to "real" business (ie, telcos). There's nothing here about entreprenurial types being the stars of the internet spread, it's "the failure of government to make it happen". "The solution to our broadband crisis must ultimately involve public-private initiatives like those that built the railroad, highway and telephone systems. Combined with an overhaul of our universal service system to make sure it is focusing on the needs of broadband, this represents our best chance at recapturing our leadership position." This means nothing other than some big business being given a monopoly and getting into bed with the government. < pounds head on desk... People get what they vote for...why, oh why...don't they learn > +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] America's InternetDisconnect FCC Commissioner Mike Copps writes an editorial for the Wash. Post http://tinyurl.com/ymuanq America's Internet Disconnect By Michael J. Copps Wednesday, November 8, 2006; Page A27 America's record in expanding broadband communication is so poor that it should be viewed as an outrage by every consumer and businessperson in the country. Too few of us have broadband connections, and those who do pay too much for service that is too slow. It's hurting our economy, and things are only going to get worse if we don't do something about it. The United States is 15th in the world in broadband penetration, according to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). When the ITU measured a broader "digital opportunity" index (considering price and other factors) we were 21st -- right after Estonia. Asian and European customers get home connections of 25 to 100 megabits per second (fast enough to stream high-definition video). Here, we pay almost twice as much for connections that are one-twentieth the speed. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Fun. Worlds most expensive gate chain
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: One of my tower sites has this chain on the main gate. It's always fun to remember where the key goes http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/images/misc/chain.htm Anyone else have similar setups? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam Looks like Ephrata! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Symbol Spectrum Software
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Alan! Glad to see you made it here! Lurk lurk lurk... I've been following the list for a long time. There has been little to add not better added by those who know more than I . -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Symbol Spectrum Software
Carl A Jeptha wrote: Looking for the Symbol tech Spectrum analyzer Software. contact me off-list. I have it here somewhere. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
