[WISPA] Want a bucket truck?
I just figured I'd show you folks that want a bucket truck an interesting idea that we have already exploited: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FIRE-TRUCK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ63733QQihZ006QQitemZ160124248487QQrdZ1 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?
Michael Erskine wrote: What do you want from me? I give you an idea... You all talk smack. I am supposed to care when you choose to remain ignorant? NAW I don't think so. Believe what you want. All it means is there are more places for my "FIRE TRUCK" to put down poles. So, yeah... talk it up... Hmmm. I guess I could have worded that better. My bad. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?
Dylan Oliver wrote: Putting out fires .. isn't that the small WISP's forte? Parades! Great for advertizing. On 6/5/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...and you can put out fires as long as the water tank is filled and you know how to operate the pump panel (and you are preserving a piece of Americana) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?
Tom; A snorkel is a bucket truck that is used to get above the fire and spray water down on the fire. It is a diesel and the boss says six miles to the gallon. You will need a commercial driver's license with air brakes certification. It is a specialty truck to be sure, you aren't going to use one of these for installs. The thing weighs 46,000 lbs and you can tell where it has been. A smaller snorkel might be good for installs, say a 40' rig? This is an 80' rig. -m- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Mike Hammett wrote: I know Mikrotik has been getting beat up over not having it. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Pretty much any reason they stated why they couldn't do it was refuted by seemingly knowledgeable people. As typical, when Mikrotik was proved incorrect, they acted like a bunch of 5 year olds. I have yet to see them do any such thing. It might be useful here to explain that Mikrotik is a vendor of router platforms. It is nice that they have these cool little boards which can accept, *among other things* cool little radios. That does not make them a wireless vendor. For example, we are only marginally interested in using MT at the edge or our network but we are very interested in replacing our existing NOC with a something almost completly MT based. So you see, it may well be that there is no real reason for MT to try to compete in the TDM arena. They don't build radios. They don't have their systems FCC certified but anyone who so chooses could probably make money doing that and then reselling their product. All of that said, do you know of a TDM radio card that comes in a format which can be installed in a MT router? For that matter do you know of a TDM radio which comes as any kind of card even PCI? There really is no point to GPS sync on a CSMA/CA based system such as 802.11x. So the question I have is what sort of system components would one combine with an MT to start doing GPS based TDM communications and the second part is when would I use GPS sync in I was not running a TDM system? Thanks -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I personally wish all manufacturers would standardize on a GPS sync system to allow for multiple reuse of frequencies. This is one place where Motorola definitely has the right idea. I have never seen a convincing argument for any reason why GPS sync is not a great thing for reuse of spectrum and I feel it should be encouraged by us to standards bodies who are designing the future generations of unlicensed radio platforms. Is there a downside to GPS sync? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Atheros Spec?
Does anyone have the receive sensitivity specifications for the: *Atheros AR2135 SoC chipset?* -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Atheros Spec?
Michael J. Erskine wrote: Does anyone have the receive sensitivity specifications for the: *Atheros AR2135 SoC chipset?* Atheros AR2315 SoC ... not 2135 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wifi @ a Motel
It seems to me that a mesh product would be just the ticket in a motel. Then again I have never done a motel. :) -m- Jack Unger wrote: Felix, With all due respect, the Radio Mobile "cat" has been "out of the bag" for many (perhaps 5) years. Thank you for your useful tree-attenuation information in your other post. Regards, jack Felix A. Lopez wrote: Mark: The professional RF Planning software is good for large designs. There is also freeware available and I will let the cat out of the bag. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Radio Mobile software is a copyright of Roger Coud?VE2DBE. Radio Mobile is dedicated to amateur radio and humanitarian use. Although commercial use is not prohibited, the author cannot be held responsible for its usage. The outputs resulting from the program are under the entire responsibility of the user, and the user should conform to restrictions from external data sources http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html Caveat: Many wireless starters and subject matter experts use the Radio Mobile software as a "first glance" tool. Because I'm an advocate of the WiFi/WiMax inteface, I would like to think the tool can be used for walking Mobile Radio too. Felix Wireless Practioneer --- Mark McElvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am putting together a quote for an older motel. They want to provide wireless access for their customers. The build is a big curving L or almost U with a set of rooms in the middle. It is all one story but the rise in elevation as it curves around. The rooms are your typical glass front, open walkway motel with carports in front. The length of the L or U is approx 800ft. with the distance across the points about 4-500 ft. How well will say an AP w/omni setting ontop of the center building cover such a setup? Or do I need to lean toward several Ap's w 90 -120 sectors pointed at different sections of the buildings? Or other ideas I have not considered. This will be my first setup like this. Mark McElvy -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, I remember the dark fiber... and so, the question remains, how much fiber did they buy? They are now bidding on 700mhz spectrum, and could connect everything back to their main datacenters with all the dark fiber they purchased previously. ;) And I never said they were "Evil" (which is funny that everyone is using that term when it is Google's company moto to "Do no Evil")... all I am saying is we need to keep our eyes open and watch what is going on... if the telco's buy the 700mhz, nobody really cares... they will use it for cell phone or higher speed mobile services... No, They will use it to deliver broadband in direct competition to you. The telco's have figured out that their future rests in broadband and not POTS. but if Google buys it, they will offer internet service really, really cheap or for free. They are making BILLIONS of dollars profit every year without doing anything... They are organizing data. They are selling advertizing space. CBS does that. NBC does that. CNN does that. It is not nothing. so they really have a lot of money they can throw at whatever they want. Good. I am all for competitors to the ILECs and I sincerely hope that Google gets some of that spectrum and offers the public a third option... Let's run some quick numbers... just for the fun of it... 700mhz Access Point at roughly $2,000 each 700mhz CPE at roughly $200 each Let's use a 50:1 ratio of CPE to AP, so it would be $12,000 for each AP/CPE combo. They would be able to charge something for the CPE, so that money can be used for other tower expenses (UPS, switches, etc.). Using only their profit for a single MONTH, they could put up 83,000 access points and deliver 4.1 million CPE. They could, almost instantly, become the single largest ISP in the world. Hey, and that would really level the playing field with the big boys, wouldn't it? It just gets scary when you actually realize that a BILLION is one thousand MILLION dollars. Yes but investors are investors, aren't they? Investors are often hesitant to let a company explore new territory. They would not be allowed to drop all their eggs in that one basket and they could not put the infrastructure in place that fast either. If you are looking for something to fear, fear the ILECs. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion
Mike Hammett wrote: An idea I just came up with is that perhaps it is part of a big FU to the telecoms. They wanted to be able to charge more to access things that weren't on their buddy list and if you didn't pony up, you got a reduced speed. Google could be doing this to ensure that they have a last mile access and then wage war on the telecoms for trying to screw them. Exactly... I thought that was obvious from the start. This is their response to "Network Neutrality" as defined by Verizon, AT&T and the other carriers. If you want neutrality *buy* it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google makes it official -- putting up $4.6 billion There has to be more to the "everyone can use it" stuff... Google is going to spend 4.6 Billion and then just let anyone that wants to use it for free? Or comparing to the modem stuff, you had to connect to a specific ISP (by dialing that number). Are there going to be multiple ISP's in the same area on the same 700mhz area? Google is in this to make money... either by selling the service cheap and going for very large quantities, or giving it away for free and maybe making the default homepage www.google.com. They have lots of options... but they aren't going to drop 4.6 Billion without some plan on how to make it back and then some. Travis Microserv Michael Erskine wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: And thus you just hit the nail on the head... and it brings us back full circle to the original subject of this thread... Google is going to bid on 700mhz spectrum... billions of dollars... then, once they own it, they are going to start some type of wireless internet service using that spectrum... and then, they WILL be competing directly with all the ISP's. And, they will probably give the service away FREE, just like they do now with their WiFi service. Can you compete with FREE service, using 700mhz NLOS technology (meaning self-install, take the modem with you to work type service)? I think they probably will sell the service. Their argument is that it should be an OPEN service, meaning that anyone's devices have to work with it. Kind of like, modems back in the day. Any modem could connect to a Cisco RAS server and anyone could own a RAS server if he had a line. Google seems to be saying that the rules for the spectrum should allow anyone to build a device which will work on the spectrum *AND* anyone who licenses the spectrum will have to honor such a device. Those rules are a heck of a lot more fair than the rules currently being discussed. So, now who's your friend? They have a huge recurring income from the search engine, so they don't have to make a dime on other services... gmail, Google Earth, etc. are all examples. They will just add 700mhz wireless to the list of "free" things they provide. Travis, Google is not the Evil Empire... Why do you think they are? They have a recurring income from the world's best search engine. Why is that a problem? Google Earth is a problem, why? Check out Microsoft selling you www.terraserver.com. Yep, they are reselling you the data that your tax dollars bought in the first place... That is why I use www.terraserver-usa.com, the site they are required by law to support. Slower, but it works. I don't know why you are afraid of Google. I don't think they are coming to a town near you. Maybe they will come to your town to *buy you out*, but they probably won't come to your town to crush your business... Verizon will. Michael: "Hello, yes, the lady at Verizon told me that there was nothing you could do about the problems we are having with their DSL service, the one we are reselling, yes." Lady at FCC: "Well, sadly she is correct. Unless the quality of service is the problem, we can not help you." I don't know Travis, but it looks to me like you have a great life. Why worry yourself over Google's market share? -m- Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wirel
[WISPA] If there is not a rule about posting off list content on list, there needs to be one.
I've had time to think on this as we spent the entire day working a lightening strike. Spent some time talking with Graylend and got some good advice from him. Rick, I will be unsubscribing from this list, not because of your selfless work and sincere attempts at fairness but because I can see that my presence makes your job harder due the those few who will whine and knit pick at every post of mine. It is unfortunate that those few don't have the courage to come out into the open or contact me off list, but they have the audacity to whine and complain to you to the point that they can harry you into a mistake. I will not file a complaint about Peter posting my off list comments on list... as I have just taken the same liberty of violating that "unwritten rule of list etiquette". No doubt you will have no more problem with that action than you did with Peter's posting of off line content. Again, I am unsubscribing from this list to make your job easier by silencing those children who can not find the courage to bring their complaints to the person they wish to complain about. Sadly, Rick, there will alway be those who hide in the shadows and whine for someone else to fight their battles but maybe this will get two of them off your back. Lastly, I have redacted your comments to remove certain information which might cause even more problems. Good day... -m- Rick Harnish wrote: Response inline -Original Message- From: Michael Erskine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 7:39 PM To: Rick Harnish Subject: My Response ... Rick; Forward this to whomever you wish. You do need to make it more obvious when you are posting on and off the list, Rick. I was going to post this to the public list since I was publicly dragged thru the muck by RICK. Literally three minutes ago I noticed that you folks had had your vote and decided to drop it on the board list. The board decided to drop it based on my recommendation, thank you very much. What follows was my response: --- --- Quote --- --- If I am to be charged in public, I think I should reply in public. 1) My post, to Peter R. was off list until Peter R. posted it to the list. My apologies, we did not catch that part. personally feel that there are some people you should not respond to privately even. (personal reference redacted MJE). 2) There was nothing discourteous about my post. There was no swearing. No insults and no name calling. Hence the reason we did not take any action! 3) The gentleman claimed my original post was off topic. I explained how it was not off topic and in the first paragraph explained why the FBI would never come forward to explain how they collect their information. The gentleman claimed I had made an anti-government tirade. The gentleman apparently can not read for content. I spoke an opinion. I will be the first person to support my government and the LEA's in general. Why would I join the CALEA committie if I did not want to support the FBI. Never-the-less, I am allowed an opinion and the expression of that opinion. Very true, but you might consider that other people may have a different opinion to what is relevant on-list topics and what is not. 4) Either the gentleman is playing the board or someone is playing the gentleman's comments for his own personal agenda, I know not which. If everyone left every time that someone upset them a bit, there would be maybe a tenth as many members today as there currently are. It's a shame some people can't just let things go isn't it. 5) The gentleman posted off line content in an effort to support his feigned desire to leave WISPA. If the board accepts that kind of blackmail, so be it. Did the gentleman also suggest to the board that I be removed from the Yes he did, but we did not accept the attempt of "blackmail" as you call it. 7) How exactly this came up is beyond me. Did the gentleman come to you to have me kicked off "or else", or did Rick just take it upon himself to bring the charges. I did not take it upon myself, in fact I forwarded everything to the board and tabled it until we discussed it. I feel I acted appropriately although I probably should not have used your name in the subject line. My apologies for that. 8) Why was this charge not brought privately, in the first place? Probably because I was upset that this was being thrust on us on a Friday afternoon after a very long week. Is it because my off line post to the gentleman was dropped on list? Most likely Isn't there a rule about that kind of violation of privacy? I would think there is an unwritten rule of list etiquette. Aw, well. Gentlem, decide what you decide and let me know. You might as well do it publicly since Rick has dragged it out onto the list in the first place. Thank you again for your vote of confidence! -
