Re: [WISPA] Radwin 2000
Looks pretty cool. What type of pricing are they looking at? Hi, Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)? I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz point-to-point links in the US in November. The price is very attractive. My main concern is performance reliability. We can test the performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical 2 mi. link. Thanks, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
The MTI 5GHz dual-pol sectors we bought were around $600 if I remember correctly. Interesting. I wasn't saying that it isn't hard. Some manufacturers have found easy and cost effective ways to make Dual Pol antennas. But I'm guessing there could be some intelectual property patent issues, or anyone to do it? But there has to be some savings attributed to shared costs such as ... mounts, case, shipping costs, overhead, distributor markup, RD. These things are all a tangable cost that goes toward the cost of a single pol antenna, and are not increased when the inside of the antenna design gets modified to be DP. I'd be intereted in what percentage of a single pol antenna cost is for the above 4 things compared to the element itself. Truthfully, we have come a long way with DP design and price for parabolics and subscriber panels. What realy confuses me is, why manufacturers still can;t come up with a low cost DP AP sector antenna? Its ironic as heck, that trango can sell an entire AP radio and int DP sector antenna, for less than third parties sell a single DP sector antenna by itself. Thats still the missing peice of the puzzle in 5.x Ghz DP. Its Ironic as heck... Titltek can make a 4ft 900Mhz dual pol 90deg for under $700. But can't find a 2ft 5.x Ghz Dp 90 for less than a grand. The last few I did, I took my old Trango 5800s, drill holes in them for the pigtails, took out the SBC, and used them for the antenna. It was cheaper than buying an antenna. A couple vendors have represented that they can make them. But I don't see part numbers listed. I'd love to see these in the sub $300 range. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas A dual pol panel antenna can be an order of magnitude more difficult to make than a single linear polarized antenna. Almost all panel antennas are either an array of patches or an array of butterfly dipole elements over a ground plane. Most designers are trying to put as much gain in the area as they can. The means the feed network and driven elements are crammed in so close together that you suffer some degradation. To make a dual pol patch you have to use a square patch. That already is less than optimum. Then you have to produce a second feed mechanism for feeding the second feed point on all the patches. That means other layers and intermediate ground planes etc. Not easy at all. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas Drew, Who sells/stocks it? I also saw someone was selling what looked like the MTI Dual pol 25dbi for about $200, I think it was wlanparts.com. Thats starting to get affordable. I'm fine with Dual Pol dishes for $225, its a lot of metal. Plus there usually needed for more critical links. Also used more often on tower sites where I get charge per antenna. However, when a standard panel is only $50, it can't be that more expensive to add a couple more elements for the second pol. Clearly a lot of markup fat in the price model. I think there is a huge market for the dual pol Panels at sub $150, but at $250, a WISP really has to think about whether its worth their while, when they can just install two single pol antennas side by side. Expecially if isntalled on customer roofs where there aren;t colo fees. I see no reasons that the smaller gain panels couldn't be made and sold for sub $125. Don't get me wrong, its still good news to learn of new DP panels available as option. Trango also has their external model, but its about $300. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas A product I really like for dual-pole is the Mars WA56-DP25N. It's a pretty inexpensive panel from 4.9 - 5.875 @ 25dBi .. There are 2 versions, 1 is the antenna alone, the other is with an enclosure. Its ~ $260. I know its not $150, but its not too bad! -d On Sep 25, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Mike Brownson wrote: A broadband dual pol dish will work from 5.2 to 5.9Ghz. You'll get the same gain on both polarities. But there's noting I know of less than $150. Usually dual pol dishes are used where you may need a higher quality antenna, so all the manufacturers I know of (RadioWaves, Maxrad, Pac Wireless) for dual pol are the higher grade varieties. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:41 PM To:
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
We use the MTI MT-485025/NVH, 23dBi dual-pol panel and have found them as low as $150 each. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head /head body bgcolor=#ff text=#00 All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curiousbr br I'm looking for a dual pol antenna...br br What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V-Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain. A narrow beam width is a plus.br br A grid or a dish will be fine. I'd like to keep the price down as if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective. I can mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to.br br This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of about 50ft of LMR-400.br br Thanks for any ideasbr br Blairbr br /body /html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
AP has an external antenna and the integrated CPE is more like 17dBi. It's about twice the width and a little taller than regular Canopy. No external option on the 5.4GHz model. Are the 400 series still only Verticle Pol and internal antenna CPEs w/ 8dbi antennas? (note- understanding that they also have external antenna models) Sounds like it will be a good option for 5.8G OFDM, when they are available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. It's pricey but not quite Alvarion bad. Under $3k per AP and $500 CPE. One major difference is that it is OFDM. In terms of speed, if the Advantage is 2X the original Canopy, the 400 series is 3X the original Canopy. Plus, it has GPS sync. What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
It's pricey but not quite Alvarion bad. Under $3k per AP and $500 CPE. One major difference is that it is OFDM. In terms of speed, if the Advantage is 2X the original Canopy, the 400 series is 3X the original Canopy. Plus, it has GPS sync. What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for that matter). /pre /blockquote /body /html
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for that matter). /pre /blockquote /body /html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
When Verizon FiOS was put into my neighborhood, they just used labor. They had 30 or so people on our street for a week digging everything up. From the right of way in front of the side walks, to the common area where the in -ground boxes were put, to the streets. The Comcast cable was run an inch or so below the ground and is visible in many areas. Verizon dug down about 3+ ft to lay their cable. So, while automated methods exists, Verizon didn't use them. Ikes, sorry for hijacking the last thread and forgetting to change the subject! -=-=-=- Hello, If one was wanting to run fiber in an already developed neighborhood, the obvious obstacles are existing concrete roads, drives and sidewalks. What are your options for getting around this other than destroying and fixing which is not an option? Is there a technology that would allow you to drive conduit underneath concrete drives and such? Michiana Wireless, Inc. John Buwa, President http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com 574-233-7170 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom! *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? Antennas a cheap these days. When in doubt, toss it out. I replace everything, radio included, all of the time now. Started doing that a couple of years ago, man has my life gotten better and my work load lighter! marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] does water ruin antennas? So, if I have a suspect antenna that might have got water in it, is it ruined, or can it dry out, be resealed and work just fine? Specifically, I have a couple omni's from sites that seemed to be under powered. The culprit could have been the radio card, pigtail, cable or omni, I don't know. I replaced it all. The reason I ask about the omni is because way back a few years ago I got paranoid after I have some water issues. A couple of these omni's I put too much tape and mastic on the bottom by the connector. I wrapped it up too high and thick and covered the weep holes in the bottom of the omni. So maybe I got condensation, or water in there if it could not leak out So if an omni like that got wet, will it dry and be ok? What about a dipole on a grid? Brian - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor
Tom, Take a look at Cacti (www.cacti.net) to do this. It allows you to give create users and only give them access to their data. It can also display 95% usage and total transfer so customers can know what their billing will be. Adam, You lsited some Neat/powerful feature ideas, Nagios is capable of. Are you aware if any of the Monitoring solutions support displaying unique info for multiple resellers of the ISP. Meaning... It nice to collect a historical log of uptime or downtime. I'd like my custoemrs to view their specific info, but not all the info of my otehr customers. And I'd like my resellers to view info for all their custoemrs, but not my other customers. This is one of the issues when I ised RRDTool and MRTG to collect data... I only collect it into a common portal. I'd rather have it multi-user, multi-view. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Adam Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Another 2 cents of mine I took a look at OpenNMS and The Dude. I have been using Nagios since the days of it being called Netsaint. You literally can make Nagios check anything and respond in almost any way to an outage. It's free and open source and I believe really has the capability to show what OSS is all about. Some things that are extremely cool (and really not hard to implement) for nagios that are WISP/ISP specific: - Check various wireless gear signal strengths and compare them to temperature and fog conditions of weather in that area. Adjust notifications of lower signals based on that info. (i.e., it's foggy, I would rather know there is fog than to get alerts of a sudden drop in 50 radios) - Checking/Notification of BGP peers receiving significantly less routes than they should - Access point drops all of it's associated radios. Nagios can try to fix the problem by running a script which would reboot the AP. Didn't work? Well then it notifies you. It also notifies that it tried rebooting ;) Have an idea of something you want implemented? Write a bash script, perl script or C/C++ app to do it and let nagios have fun. There are other things like grouping services/checks/hosts etc. by using regular expressions. All I do is add a device to our network and create a file with a specific host name in the file and IP address. Nagios takes care of looking at the name to identify what type of services should be checked etc. Really Nagios just gives you ultimate flexibility. I can't seem to find in OpenNMS where you can identify thresholds for various services. It only appears that they must match up with a MIB file for results. I also don't necessarily like that I have to define downtimes in an XML file with OpenNMS. Nagios I can just click on a host and schedule it right there. Or for an entire group of hosts. But maybe I missed that in OpenNMS on accident? If you want something with Nagios flexibility with a really good web interface, check out Centreon at www.centreon.com Adam Kennedy Senior Network Administrator Cyberlink Technologies, Inc. Phone: (888) 293-3693 Fax: (574) 855-5761 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor Free is also a good thing. Alerts and such work great, the kewl part is the agents. You can put a remote agent out there ( we use it for hotspot networks ), and the agent polls the devices behind the NAT at the hotspot location. Slick as can be, simple, and works! Guess I am biased though, seeing I'm one of two MT Dude Consultants. :) We have been putting these in quite a bit, takes some time if you start building from scratch, but works like a champ! Tom DeReggi wrote: Well, Very good question, and I only have one answer... Nagios/Cacti is open source, so it can be adapted to the WISP's specific need as required. However, for someone that doesn't want to be a developer, I agree, Dude is pretty sweet, and much easier to put up and run. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jim Patient [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Monitor I'm having a hard time understanding why yawl just wouldn't use the Dude? It's FREE, it emails me in the event of an anomaly, sends text msgs, monitors/graphs number of hotspot users, bandwidth, outages, traffic on my links, uptime, or just about anything else you want to look at, log, notify you of, login to, upgrade, or have your wife go fix;-) It even has a nice pretty web interface for your level 1 support crew (daughter or
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
They have worked with Trango in the past. You'd think they'd license Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business. I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
But no plans to upgrade firmware. Sounds dead in the water to me. Especially after two failed releases of the new PtMP gear. We're still in the PtMP business. It's just that we don't have any new PtMP products to release. M5830, M5580. M900, M2400 are still alive and well. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry A Weidig Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Did I miss some sort of announcement from Trango about not being in the PtMP business any longer? Can you elaborate? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme They have worked with Trango in the past. You'd think they'd license Trango's polling scheme since Trango is no longer in the PtMP business. I contacted MT support, since I've had this issue. In our dialog, they said they are working on something, but it's too soon to tell when it'll be done, if at all possible. I soon will be evaluating other options. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] MT Nstreme Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Nstreme
Good luck. We fought this fight last year. First they said the problem didn't exist. So, we sent supouts and posted tests to the forum until we were blue in the face. Then they said we didn't have the settings correct but refused to give us the settings that works. So, we tested with every known variation in setting we could think of. Then it was that we didn't have enough bandwidth going across the link to keep latency low. At that point, we gave up. Turning off NStreme worked better for us and now we are switching to other solutions. Hi, For anyone that would like to see the Mikrotik Nstreme protocol re-designed to support more than 30 clients (their new recommendation), and have lower, consistent latency, please email them directly and let them know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). They claim they are listening to customer requests and will work on a solution if they get enough requests to fix it. Please also CC: me on the email so I can have an idea of how many people are interested. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps
From lots of experience, I can tell you that you are just going to have to test it with your configuration. Each version of Mikrotik is different and can radically affect performance. They make so many changes that aren't included in the changelog, you have no idea if they made a change to NAT or not. Just put PCs on either side of the 532 and run a btest through them. Try with both large and small packets and see the performance for yourself. Ok guys. Great feedback on all of this, but back to my original question, what's the max throughput I could expect from a RB532A? If there was an answer my spam filter must have gotten it. NAT'ing going on with 3 desktop systems. Other than that, no queueing, no firewalling, no routing, etc etc. Pretty basic setup. And this is NOT wireless - using it for my in-house router. Sorry, should have clarified that too. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps When it comes to comparing network/embedded CPUs, there is more than just MHz that needs to be considered. Some CPUs have multiple cores, hardware accelerators, etc. For example, we use a Gemini SL3512 CPU in some of our products. Here are some of the accelerators that it has: -Layer2/3/4 hardware switching, routing and NAT with 4 transmit queues per port for QoS support -Layer2-7 packet classification into 16 receive queues -Transmit acceleration by TCP segmentation, IP fragmentation and TCP/IP/UDP checksum calculation -Receive acceleration by TCP connection table lookup, assembly of multiple packets belonging to the same TCP connection and TCP/IP/UDP checksum verification -Hardware Security Acceleration Engine performs DES, 3DES, AES, CCMP and RC4 encryption/decryption with CBC or ECB mode operation; authentication with SHA1, MD5, HMAC-SHA1 and HMAC-MD5 hashing algorithm All of these functions are then offloaded from the main CPU which can perform other functions. Just the first one (hardware NAT accelerator) can increase NAT throughput by an order of magnitude. -Hal Ligowave -Original Message- From: Bo Ring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB532 and 40MBps Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:54:00 -0500 Question is Why does teh 600 series outperform them all, when it has the slowest processor in MHZ? Are Mikrotik's 532a speeds test at 266 or 400Mhz? And the 600 series at 200 or 400? They did specify on their report. Is the 600's Power PC's processor really that much better that it gets so much better speed at slower Mhz? While I can not speak of it in use between these two routers, there is a reason why it was logical to move to RISC. They are more efficient chips and tend to be even more so when they are used in specific environments. If anyone is a Mac head from way back, you might remember the raw numbers between the 40MHz 68030 and the 25MHz PowerPC when Apple first moved to them. Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 . office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
