Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Questions for those that have bought/sold WISPs

2012-09-03 Thread Nick W
It shouldn't, but there are more experienced people than I, so that's why I
asked. That's exactly what I proposed with Value = 12mo gross receipts.


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Why would it matter how big your stake is?  Value * (% stake).

 I would get my name off the line of credit if I'm not going to have any of
 the benefits.  Call the bank.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote:

 I am a minority shareholder and am basically looking to sell out to my
 partner (a corporation). I know there has been a lot of discussion about
 valuing and selling WISPs over the years. It seems like the answers vary
 depending on equipment, customers, contracts, location, etc. The thing I
 see the most is selling for 1x, 1.5x, or 2x gross annual receipts, unless
 it is a failing company, in which case the number is dramatically lower.

 The only real difference for me is that I own less shares than the other
 partner. Has anyone bought/sold minority shares of a WISP, and is there
 anything different about valuing that? I'm looking at selling back my
 shares and want to make sure they're getting valued correctly.

 I have proposed 12-months gross receipts * my percentage. They are
 pushing for net revenue or gross profit - which are both net of expenses or
 net of cost of sales. I've never seen a net number used before - my dad
 sold his aerospace company about 15 years ago and used 12-months gross
 receipts + cash on hand for his sale number. In addition to this number,
 there are enterprise customer contracts that have been signed but have not
 been fully deployed yet, and therefore are not reflected on the books - it
 seems like these should be added to the value as well.

 On top of that, I am a co-signer on a line of credit for the company, how
 should that be handled? Has anyone dealt with that?

 Thanks in advance for any input or advice you guys can provide.

 Nick

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Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] Questions for those that have bought/sold WISPs

2012-09-03 Thread Josh Luthman
If the company is doing well, shoot for 1.5.  You're going to want to push
higher and the buyers will push lower.  Start high.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.com wrote:

 It shouldn't, but there are more experienced people than I, so that's why
 I asked. That's exactly what I proposed with Value = 12mo gross receipts.


 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
  wrote:

 Why would it matter how big your stake is?  Value * (% stake).

 I would get my name off the line of credit if I'm not going to have any
 of the benefits.  Call the bank.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Nick W lists-wi...@atomsplash.comwrote:

 I am a minority shareholder and am basically looking to sell out to my
 partner (a corporation). I know there has been a lot of discussion about
 valuing and selling WISPs over the years. It seems like the answers vary
 depending on equipment, customers, contracts, location, etc. The thing I
 see the most is selling for 1x, 1.5x, or 2x gross annual receipts, unless
 it is a failing company, in which case the number is dramatically lower.

 The only real difference for me is that I own less shares than the other
 partner. Has anyone bought/sold minority shares of a WISP, and is there
 anything different about valuing that? I'm looking at selling back my
 shares and want to make sure they're getting valued correctly.

 I have proposed 12-months gross receipts * my percentage. They are
 pushing for net revenue or gross profit - which are both net of expenses or
 net of cost of sales. I've never seen a net number used before - my dad
 sold his aerospace company about 15 years ago and used 12-months gross
 receipts + cash on hand for his sale number. In addition to this number,
 there are enterprise customer contracts that have been signed but have not
 been fully deployed yet, and therefore are not reflected on the books - it
 seems like these should be added to the value as well.

 On top of that, I am a co-signer on a line of credit for the company,
 how should that be handled? Has anyone dealt with that?

 Thanks in advance for any input or advice you guys can provide.

 Nick

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