RE: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
We are looking at these locations for the second carrier: 720 Hawthorn St. Alexandria, MN 56308 Or 26 6th Ave N St. Cloud, MN 56303 Currently we bring it to the ILEC CO in Melrose, MN 56352. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place. Where's the CO located? On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Flex OC-3 Direct to the CO. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Clint Ricker > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:41 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place. > > How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it > delivered? > > -Clint Ricker > Kentnis Technologies > > On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I figured I would start a new thread for this. > > > > My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best > way > > to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier > > 2's, or multiple tier 2's? > > > > Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really > need? > > > > Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from > > multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another > > provider. > > > > Mike Bushard, Jr > > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > > 320-256-WISP (9477) > > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same > > > effect, but a different cause. > > > > > Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire > > internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of > > Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only > > shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. > > > > -Matt > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > > ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier 2's, or multiple tier 2's? It all really depends on which carriers you are referring to. However, based on what we are seeing BGP is no longer enough to ensure connectivity. For various technical and political reasons you will receive blackholed routes via BGP. Here is a list of the blackholes we have seen so far today. 122.167.59.0/24 202.56.230.0/24 209.247.23.0/24 206.204.52.0/24 209.244.1.0/24 64.152.2.0/24 63.209.170.0/24 64.152.59.0/24 209.244.7.0/24 216.115.31.0/24 204.13.160.0/24 76.112.173.0/24 63.240.249.0/24 198.8.3.0/24 65.90.124.0/24 Most of these are caused by flap dampening, but nevertheless the happen every day. If you receive these routes via BGP from all your carriers how do you know which upstream to take that will actually get you there? You have to being monitoring for these types of problems and adjust your local preference on these routes to the correct upstream. Do you want to do that by hand? -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
Where's the CO located? On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Flex OC-3 Direct to the CO. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Clint Ricker > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:41 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place. > > How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it > delivered? > > -Clint Ricker > Kentnis Technologies > > On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I figured I would start a new thread for this. > > > > My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best > way > > to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier > > 2's, or multiple tier 2's? > > > > Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really > need? > > > > Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from > > multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another > > provider. > > > > Mike Bushard, Jr > > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > > 320-256-WISP (9477) > > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same > > > effect, but a different cause. > > > > > Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire > > internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of > > Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only > > shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. > > > > -Matt > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > > ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join to
RE: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
Flex OC-3 Direct to the CO. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place. How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it delivered? -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I figured I would start a new thread for this. > > My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way > to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier > 2's, or multiple tier 2's? > > Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really need? > > Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from > multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another > provider. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same > > effect, but a different cause. > > > Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire > internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of > Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only > shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. > > -Matt > > -Matt > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** ---
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
How many megs and where are you currently picking it up / getting it delivered? -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 10/1/07, Mike Bushard, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I figured I would start a new thread for this. > > My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way > to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier > 2's, or multiple tier 2's? > > Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really need? > > Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from > multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another > provider. > > Mike Bushard, Jr > Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC > 320-256-WISP (9477) > 320-256-9478 Fax > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same > > effect, but a different cause. > > > Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire > internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of > Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only > shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. > > -Matt > > -Matt > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Bandwidth, Best place.
I figured I would start a new thread for this. My question is with this type of thing happening, what would be the best way to obtain bandwidth? Get multiple tier 1's, or a mix of tier 1's and tier 2's, or multiple tier 2's? Who would be the best ones to go with? How many carriers do you really need? Currently we have one tier 2 provider, Onvoy, who has bandwidth from multiple tier 1's and 2's. But we have been thinking of adding another provider. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Mike Hammett wrote: > The Level3 depeer was caused by Level3, not Cogent. It has the same > effect, but a different cause. > Whoever caused it; Cogent is the one that made it painful for the entire internet. They could have rerouted traffic instead of blackholing all of Level3. The fact that they offered free transit to Level3 customers only shows their intent to send a message to Level3 et al. -Matt -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
