Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

[Tom Fadgen]

Reminds me of a famous line in a movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNdw4DaUM8

Tom Fadgen


On Friday 03/02/2017 at 3:37 pm, Eric Tykwinski  wrote:

Laughs…

That’s a typical salesman response if I’ve ever heard one…
Sad but true, if you’ve got an engineer in house, always request an 
engineer at the other end so they can talk shop.


I’ve usually had help getting demo equipment from most vendors, but 
I’ve been out of the WISP bus for a awhile.
Even big name switching and routing vendors though still want to make 
a deal, so I’m sure it’s still holds.




On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  
wrote:


Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las
Vegas in 2005...

Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz
channel, etc...
John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
John: 2007.
Me: Have you ever tested that?
John: No.
Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.

*sigh*

-Kristian



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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

[Eric Tykwinski]

Laughs…

That’s a typical salesman response if I’ve ever heard one…
Sad but true, if you’ve got an engineer in house, always request an engineer at 
the other end so they can talk shop.

I’ve usually had help getting demo equipment from most vendors, but I’ve been 
out of the WISP bus for a awhile.
Even big name switching and routing vendors though still want to make a deal, 
so I’m sure it’s still holds.

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 5:31 PM, Kristian Hoffmann  wrote:
> 
> Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las 
> Vegas in 2005...
> 
> Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz 
> channel, etc...
> John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
> Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
> John: 2007.
> Me: Have you ever tested that?
> John: No.
> Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
> John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> -Kristian


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Re: [WISPA] Friday funny (was: Looking for startup suggestions)

[Kristian Hoffmann]

Conversation with John from MikroTik at Broadband Wireless World Las 
Vegas in 2005...

Me: How many clients can you support on a single AP with a 20MHz 
channel, etc...
John: The maximum configurable station count is 2007.
Me: Yes, but how many does it _actually_ support?
John: 2007.
Me: Have you ever tested that?
John: No.
Me: How do I find out how many it will actually support?
John: You should buy 2000 stations and see how it works.

*sigh*

-Kristian

On 02/03/2017 11:50 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
> Don't believe anything any vendor says, if they say 100 users, make sure of 
> that.  Etc.
>
>
> Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant
> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
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> Radio Frequiency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:23 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for startup suggestions
>
> Penny wise pound foolish.
>
> Yes don't get caught up in the holy grail of wireless hype.
>
> On Fri, February 3, 2017 1:20 pm, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> Or that.  Or get caught up in bleeding edge, "holy grail" sales hype.
>>
>>
>> Don Spaulding wrote:
>>
>>> Similarly, don't choose a product line just because it's expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 2, 2017 7:48 PM, "Jay Weekley" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't choose a product line just because it's cheap.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chadwick Wachs wrote:
>>>
 We are a small co-op WISP and one of our goals was to publicly
 document what we do.  For some basic beginning info, take a look at:
 http://www.auwireless.net/blog/ 


 This is not to say this is the model or even the right way to

>>> start a
 WISP. It is simply what we did. Some of it works, some of it was a
 mistake. One of our future challenges we will face is we built a
 fairly flat network. That works fine when we are small but as we
>>> grow,
 it is not going to scale with us.  Think about where you want to
>>> grow
 and don't box yourself in with hardware or topology decisions
>>> early on
 that you will regret. But, don't over spend early on. Much of this
 stuff is cheap enough to "upgrade" after a year or so.

 Choose your RF vendor wisely... We field tested 5 different

>>> vendors in
 our RF environment before choosing one that worked for us and was in
 our budget. Don't let someone else tell you which is the best
>>> hardware
 because that is what they use. It may be great advice but I suggest
 testing. Most vendors or good suppliers will provide some demo gear
 for this purpose.

 This mailing list has been great to us for help. Use the

>>> community and
 forum pages on the vendor sites as well.  And, I'd strongly suggest
 finding yourself a supplier you can trust and that will help you
>>> make
 good decisions. Our supplier has run WISPs of varying size for
>>> decades
 and has made a some mistakes as well as good decisions and is not
 embarrassed to share and advise us.


 On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Mark Limehouse
 

>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
 I am at the discovery and the beginning of research to start a WISP
 within my state (Wisconsin). My focus is to make this

>>> into a
 solid business model that I can build and expand eventually.
>>> I am
>>>
 taking my time I want to do this right and address all potential
 pitfalls or "gotchas" that may be known from a technology and
 provider standpoint. Would anyone be kind enough to offer up
>>> their
 suggestions or direct me to where I can obtain this kind of
>>> detail?

 Thanks in advance!


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[WISPA] Friday funny: 5 Reasons Internet Access in America is a Disaster

[David E. Smith]

Actually, it's only kinda funny, because it's true. Warning: naughty
language.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-internet-access-in-america-disaster/


David Smith
MVN.net



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[WISPA] Friday funny

[Chuck Profito]

It's Friday, Thought you all might appreciate this! Watch out for the boot
and crash!

 

http://www.flixxy.com/my-blackberry-is-not-working.htm

 




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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[MDK]

Ehhh...  Not that strange. 

Several winters ago, we put in a small POP on the roof of a 2.5 story house in 
the mountains.   You can stand on the roof and see, 17 miles away, the other 
end of the point, and with binoculars, see the house and all in the middle of 
wheat fields.   This link runs between the peaks of two homes.

from below, you can't find the upper one, because it's hidden between two 
masses of trees.   

We put the link in on a foggy day, and got a -73 or so signal on both ends and 
left happy.   Several months later, after some phone calls to complain about 
irregular bandwidth, we discover that our link is now poor quality, down to 
about -86 or so.   Again, cloudy day and we can't see into the mountains.   
But,  we climbed to both ends, and upon taking stuff apart, appeared to find 
some moisture in one of the cable ends.   Changing it all, we put it back up 
and  it worked ok, but still weak.   Shuffling the frequency around found that 
moving a couple channels over got us a -78 signal.   Cool.   So, it was left 
there.   About two weeks later, we've got no signal again.   But, a big storm 
is moving in and we're not going to climb ladders in the wild wind, and so tell 
the customers they'll have to wait till tomorrow.   But the next day, the link 
is up and stronger than it's been in weeks.   It came up during the night. 

So,  unable to find anything wrong, we wait it out.   This repeats itself twice 
more.   

Finally, after another storm clears yet again, we return to the top end, 
finding nothing wrong, go to the lower end, and having run the link in RM and 
AND looked at the path in Google Earth, I notice that the lower antenna is NOT 
aimed at our client's house on the mountain, but across a valley from it and 
we've been using a reflection off the hillside covered in snow!   Each time the 
snow melted, the link died, but a storm came the NEXT day and put new snow 
down...

A 10 degree or so adjustment in the antenna direction on the lower end results 
in us finding another peak in signal, where it has run perfectly fine ever 
since...  The top antenna is still pointed the same, and even attempts to 
re-peak it end up exactly pointed as the first when we installed it.  

I have decided I am just a practicing WISP 'cause there ain't no way I'm ever 
getting this all right, just like a doctor... 



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From: Marco Coelho 
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:57 AM
To: WISPA General List ; motor...@afmug.com 
Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funny


This must be strange propagation month.

We've got a new installer who put a 900 MHz canopy with a yagi pointing to the 
south side of one of our towers 6 miles away.  He gets a 56 signal, but it's 
really unreliable for some reason.

He goes out there again to re-sight, same issues after a couple of days.

I happen to look at the map for this customer.  Whoa He is being shot to 
the BACK SIDE of a motorola 60° panel 900 MHz AP.  56 Signal from 6 miles away 
180° out

This 900 is there for spot application only.  Never intended for over 3 mile 
shots, especially in the opposite direction!

I need a beer.



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Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036









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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Robert West]

Like.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

 

Ehhh...  Not that strange. 

 

Several winters ago, we put in a small POP on the roof of a 2.5 story house
in the mountains.   You can stand on the roof and see, 17 miles away, the
other end of the point, and with binoculars, see the house and all in the
middle of wheat fields.   This link runs between the peaks of two homes.

 

from below, you can't find the upper one, because it's hidden between two
masses of trees.   

 

We put the link in on a foggy day, and got a -73 or so signal on both ends
and left happy.   Several months later, after some phone calls to complain
about irregular bandwidth, we discover that our link is now poor quality,
down to about -86 or so.   Again, cloudy day and we can't see into the
mountains.   But,  we climbed to both ends, and upon taking stuff apart,
appeared to find some moisture in one of the cable ends.   Changing it all,
we put it back up and  it worked ok, but still weak.   Shuffling the
frequency around found that moving a couple channels over got us a -78
signal.   Cool.   So, it was left there.   About two weeks later, we've got
no signal again.   But, a big storm is moving in and we're not going to
climb ladders in the wild wind, and so tell the customers they'll have to
wait till tomorrow.   But the next day, the link is up and stronger than
it's been in weeks.   It came up during the night. 

 

So,  unable to find anything wrong, we wait it out.   This repeats itself
twice more.   

 

Finally, after another storm clears yet again, we return to the top end,
finding nothing wrong, go to the lower end, and having run the link in RM
and AND looked at the path in Google Earth, I notice that the lower antenna
is NOT aimed at our client's house on the mountain, but across a valley from
it and we've been using a reflection off the hillside covered in snow!
Each time the snow melted, the link died, but a storm came the NEXT day and
put new snow down...

 

A 10 degree or so adjustment in the antenna direction on the lower end
results in us finding another peak in signal, where it has run perfectly
fine ever since...  The top antenna is still pointed the same, and even
attempts to re-peak it end up exactly pointed as the first when we installed
it.  

 

I have decided I am just a practicing WISP 'cause there ain't no way I'm
ever getting this all right, just like a doctor... 

 

 

 

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

 

From: Marco Coelho mailto:coelh...@gmail.com  

Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:57 AM

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  ; motor...@afmug.com 

Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funny

 

This must be strange propagation month.

We've got a new installer who put a 900 MHz canopy with a yagi pointing to
the south side of one of our towers 6 miles away.  He gets a 56 signal, but
it's really unreliable for some reason.

He goes out there again to re-sight, same issues after a couple of days.

I happen to look at the map for this customer.  Whoa He is being shot to
the BACK SIDE of a motorola 60° panel 900 MHz AP.  56 Signal from 6 miles
away 180° out

This 900 is there for spot application only.  Never intended for over 3 mile
shots, especially in the opposite direction!

I need a beer.



-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036

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[WISPA] Friday Funny

[Marco Coelho]

This must be strange propagation month.

We've got a new installer who put a 900 MHz canopy with a yagi pointing to
the south side of one of our towers 6 miles away.  He gets a 56 signal, but
it's really unreliable for some reason.

He goes out there again to re-sight, same issues after a couple of days.

I happen to look at the map for this customer.  Whoa He is being shot to
the BACK SIDE of a motorola 60° panel 900 MHz AP.  56 Signal from 6 miles
away 180° out

This 900 is there for spot application only.  Never intended for over 3 mile
shots, especially in the opposite direction!

I need a beer.



-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036



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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Justin Wilson]

900 is Voodoo
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From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 13:57:55 -0500
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funny

This must be strange propagation month.

We've got a new installer who put a 900 MHz canopy with a yagi pointing to
the south side of one of our towers 6 miles away.  He gets a 56 signal, but
it's really unreliable for some reason.

He goes out there again to re-sight, same issues after a couple of days.

I happen to look at the map for this customer.  Whoa He is being shot to
the BACK SIDE of a motorola 60° panel 900 MHz AP.  56 Signal from 6 miles
away 180° out

This 900 is there for spot application only.  Never intended for over 3 mile
shots, especially in the opposite direction!

I need a beer.



-- 
Marco C. Coelho
Argon Technologies Inc.
POB 875
Greenville, TX 75403-0875
903-455-5036






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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Josh Luthman]

The weird sense of duty really good sysadmins have can border on the
sociopathic, but it's nice to know that it stands between the forces of
darkness and your cat blog's servers.

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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:


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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Philip Dorr]

One of the comments in the thread for that post said that the sysadmin
did not ignore the hostages, he left them so that they did not cause
problems.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 The weird sense of duty really good sysadmins have can border on the
 sociopathic, but it's nice to know that it stands between the forces of
 darkness and your cat blog's servers.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.”
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Re: [WISPA] Friday Funny

[Josh Luthman]

Ha!  Need...uptime...

On 3/5/10, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote:
 One of the comments in the thread for that post said that the sysadmin
 did not ignore the hostages, he left them so that they did not cause
 problems.

 On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 The weird sense of duty really good sysadmins have can border on the
 sociopathic, but it's nice to know that it stands between the forces of
 darkness and your cat blog's servers.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
 that counts.”
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