Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-13 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) 
I'd add to the MT column.

I don't run MT boards for my main routers, I use Dell servers with MT software. 
 3ghz processors, many gigs of ram, as many interfaces of nearly any kind etc.  
Never had a lick of trouble with that system, and they basically never running 
over single digit processor usage.

The only problem I have had, might be fixed by now, was the last one I tried to 
do.  The drivers for sata hard drives and pci/e slots didn't work right.  I 
ended up having to use an MT appliance.  It's working fine too, but I'll swap 
it out and use it as a spare one of these days.

marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Roman 
  To: wireless@wispa.org 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:31 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP


  Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
professionals.




  Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.




  Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help 
of WISP community!




Market segment
   Econom
   Middle
   Top
   
Market players
   Mikrotik
   Imagestream
   Vyatta
   Juniper SRX
   Cisco
   
Performance and price
   20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
   
   Up to 8x1GE
   300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE
   
   
Features
   Proprietary OS
   Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package
   High end of open source routers
   Cisco competitor,

Junos
   IOS – stable and proven
   
Advantages
   
   
   
   
   
   
Disadvantages
   Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)
   OSPF issues
   
   
   
   
Use cases
   Startups
   Startups
   
   Large enterprises with certified engineers
   Large enterprises with certified engineers
   
Technical support
   Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
   Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
   You can purchase service contract
   Many paid options
   Many paid options
   
Try before buy
   http://demo2.mt.lv/
   
   
   
   
   





  -- Forwarded message --
  From: Roman 
  Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
  To: wireless@wispa.org



  What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all of 
my projects to get budget calculation. 
  For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up to 
1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
characteristics and price.


  Thank you in advance!




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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-13 Thread Eduardo 
We have an 11mi link with rocket M365 radios, AirMax enabled, with aggregation 
set at 32 frames, with 50KB for the largest frame.

 

We notice that the link is getting some timed out pings and fluctuating 
randomly latency. When aggregation was set at "off," we lost all remote 
connection with the station.

 

I've read the UBNT website info, but didn't find any explanation about having 
aggregation set "on", so as to have remote connection with the station.

 

I'm also not sure if either AirMax, or aggregation, or both, could be affecting 
the link and losing some pings. 

 

Has anyone had similar experiences? Any input would be very welcome. 

 

Thanks,

 

Eduardo

Webjogger Internet Services

 


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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-11 Thread John Thomas 
Roman, for the things you are talking about, Ciscos are not necessarily 
stupid expensive.
We typically are installing Cisco 881 series routers on Cable modem 
Internet connections that run at 87 meg down and 20 meg up, and they 
rarely push more than a few % CPU. 880 series routers can be had for in 
the $450 - 700 range. Up a notch to the 891 series that is around $1000 
and the 1900 series in the 1200-1500 dollar range. The 1900s are 
necessary if you are into T-1's. The smartnets on these run from around 
$100 per year into about $200 per year.



John

On 7/7/2011 1:31 PM, Roman wrote:


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is 
very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced 
wireless professionals.



Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to 
provoke additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs 
from community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers 
market as it is today.



Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with 
help of WISP community!



Market segment



Econom



Middle



Top

Market players



Mikrotik



Imagestream



Vyatta



Juniper SRX



Cisco

Performance and price



20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)





Up to 8x1GE



300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE



Features



Proprietary OS



Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package



High end of open source routers



Cisco competitor,

Junos



IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages



Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)



OSPF issues







Use cases



Startups



Startups





Large enterprises with certified engineers



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support



Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants



Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support



You can purchase service contract



Many paid options



Many paid options

Try before buy



http://demo2.mt.lv/










-- Forwarded message --
From: *Roman* mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com>>
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org 


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for 
all of my projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 
Mbps backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for 
projects with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise 
to use configuration "Medium". For every type of configuration I would 
like to know its technical characteristics and price.


Thank you in advance!





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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Adam Kennedy 
I would deem ourselves a fairly large organization and I'm definitely 
Imagestream certified. I think that qualifies as beyond "start-up".

--
Adam Kennedy
Network Engineer
Omnicity, Inc.

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists mailto:jeffl...@att.net>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 17:06:29 -0400
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

Many of our well established customers would take issue with being called 
"start-up"...  :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Roman 
mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there any way to send tables here?
Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
<<mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com>consulttele...@gmail.com<mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com>>
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
professionals.

Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
members.Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.

Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help of 
WISP community!

Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)
2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps – 1500$
Up to 8x1GE



Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based
Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,
Junos

IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues







Use cases

Startups

Startups



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

<http://demo2.mt.lv/>http://demo2.mt.lv/











-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
<<mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com>consulttele...@gmail.com<mailto:consulttele...@gmail.com>>
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for one-time 
project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all of my 
projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up to 
1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
characteristics and price.

Thank you in advance!





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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Dennis Burgess 
The 750GL is $59.99.. lol .

 

---
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
<http://www.linktechs.net/> 
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- Author of "Learn RouterOS" <http://routerosbook.com/> 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Roman
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:32 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

 

Any comments on price ranges indicated in table?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Is there any way to send tables here?

Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 

Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org



Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is
very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced
wireless professionals.

 

Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as
it is today.

 

Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with
help of WISP community!

 

Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps - 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE - 1219$ (Power router 732)

 

Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps - 1500$

Up to 8x1GE

 

Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS - stable and proven

Advantages

 

 

 

 

 

Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues

 

 

 

Use cases

Startups

Startups

 

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org



What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for
all of my projects to get budget calculation. 

For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects
with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use
configuration "Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to
know its technical characteristics and price.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Josh Luthman 
First row - performance and price

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Roman  wrote:

> Any comments on price ranges indicated in table?
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roman 
>  Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
> To: wireless@wispa.org
>
>
> Is there any way to send tables here?
> Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roman 
>  Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
> To: wireless@wispa.org
>
>
> Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
> good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
> professionals.
>
>
> Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
> additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
> community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
> today.
>
>
> Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
> of WISP community!
>
>
>   Market segment
>
> Econom
>
> Middle
>
> Top
>
> Market players
>
> Mikrotik
>
> Imagestream
>
> Vyatta
>
> Juniper SRX
>
> Cisco
>
> Performance and price
>
> 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)
>
> 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
>
>
>
> Up to 8x1GE
>
> 300 Mbps – 1500$
>
> Up to 8x1GE
>
>
>
> Features
>
> Proprietary OS
>
> Open source, Linux-based
>
> Quagga as dynamic routing package
>
> High end of open source routers
>
> Cisco competitor,
>
> Junos
>
> IOS – stable and proven
>
> Advantages
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Disadvantages
>
> Up to 2x10GE (
> Powerouter 732?)
>
> OSPF issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Use cases
>
> Startups
>
> Startups
>
>
>
> Large enterprises with certified engineers
>
> Large enterprises with certified engineers
>
> Technical support
>
> Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
>
> Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
>
> You can purchase service contract
>
> Many paid options
>
> Many paid options
>
> Try before buy
>
> http://demo2.mt.lv/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roman 
> Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
> To: wireless@wispa.org
>
>
> What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
> one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all
> of my projects to get budget calculation.
> For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
> backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up
> to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
> "Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
> characteristics and price.
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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[WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-08 Thread Roman 
Any comments on price ranges indicated in table?

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:34 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Is there any way to send tables here?
Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
 Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
professionals.


Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
today.


Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
of WISP community!


  Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE



Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues







Use cases

Startups

Startups



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/











-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all
of my projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up
to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
characteristics and price.

Thank you in advance!



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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-07 Thread Jim Patient 
Maybe I should clarify this.

 

The Powerouter 732 does more than 2Gbps.  It has 7GigE ports on their
own independent 2.01GB buss (not a shared buss).  We bonded 6 of them
and got 5.9Gbps TCP across those 6.  

 

The Powerouter 2200 series comes standard with 10 1GigE ports.  We have
a dual port 10Gig SFP add on card with a number of SFP options including
10Gbps fiber.  RouterOS uses all 8 cores on the 2282.

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> 
 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Roman
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:32 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

 

Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is
very good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced
wireless professionals.

 

Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as
it is today.

 

Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with
help of WISP community!

 

Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps - 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE - 1219$ (Power router 732)

 

Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps - 1500$

Up to 8x1GE

 

Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS - stable and proven

Advantages

 

 

 

 

 

Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues

 

 

 

Use cases

Startups

Startups

 

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org



What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for
all of my projects to get budget calculation. 

For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects
with up to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use
configuration "Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to
know its technical characteristics and price.

 

Thank you in advance!

 



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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-07 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Many of our well established customers would take issue with being called 
"start-up"...  :-)

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On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Roman  wrote:

> Is there any way to send tables here?
> Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roman 
> Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> 
> 
> Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
> good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
> professionals.
> 
> 
> 
> Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
> additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
> members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.
> 
> 
> 
> Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help 
> of WISP community!
> 
> 
> 
> Market segment
> Econom
> Middle
> Top
> Market players
> Mikrotik
> Imagestream
> Vyatta
> Juniper SRX
> Cisco
> Performance and price
> 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)
> 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
>  
> Up to 8x1GE
> 300 Mbps – 1500$
> Up to 8x1GE
>  
> Features
> Proprietary OS
> Open source, Linux-based
> Quagga as dynamic routing package
> High end of open source routers
> Cisco competitor,
> Junos
> IOS – stable and proven
> Advantages
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Disadvantages
> Up to 2x10GE (
> Powerouter 732?)
> OSPF issues
>  
>  
>  
> Use cases
> Startups
> Startups
>  
> Large enterprises with certified engineers
> Large enterprises with certified engineers
> Technical support
> Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
> Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
> You can purchase service contract
> Many paid options
> Many paid options
> Try before buy
> http://demo2.mt.lv/
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roman 
> Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> 
> 
> What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
> one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all of 
> my projects to get budget calculation. 
> For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
> backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up 
> to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
> "Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
> characteristics and price.
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-07 Thread Josh Luthman 
Both disadvantages seem like false information to me.  Especially OSPF
issues on ImageStream - every product has its bugs and there are probably
more versions then other products.

Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Roman  wrote:

> Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
> good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
> professionals.
>
>
> Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
> additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
> community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
> today.
>
>
> Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
> of WISP community!
>
>
>   Market segment
>
> Econom
>
> Middle
>
> Top
>
> Market players
>
> Mikrotik
>
> Imagestream
>
> Vyatta
>
> Juniper SRX
>
> Cisco
>
> Performance and price
>
> 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)
>
> 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
>
>
>
> Up to 8x1GE
>
> 300 Mbps – 1500$
>
> Up to 8x1GE
>
>
>
> Features
>
> Proprietary OS
>
> Open source, Linux-based
>
> Quagga as dynamic routing package
>
> High end of open source routers
>
> Cisco competitor,
>
> Junos
>
> IOS – stable and proven
>
> Advantages
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Disadvantages
>
> Up to 2x10GE (
> Powerouter 732?)
>
> OSPF issues
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Use cases
>
> Startups
>
> Startups
>
>
>
> Large enterprises with certified engineers
>
> Large enterprises with certified engineers
>
> Technical support
>
> Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
>
> Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
>
> You can purchase service contract
>
> Many paid options
>
> Many paid options
>
> Try before buy
>
> http://demo2.mt.lv/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Roman 
> Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
> To: wireless@wispa.org
>
>
> What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
> one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all
> of my projects to get budget calculation.
> For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
> backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up
> to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
> "Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
> characteristics and price.
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
>
> 
>
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[WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-07 Thread Roman 
Is there any way to send tables here?
Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...

-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
professionals.


Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
today.


Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
of WISP community!


  Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE



Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues







Use cases

Startups

Startups



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/











-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all
of my projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up
to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
characteristics and price.

Thank you in advance!



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[WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

2011-07-07 Thread Roman 
Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very
good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless
professionals.


Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke
additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from
community members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is
today.


Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help
of WISP community!


  Market segment

Econom

Middle

Top

Market players

Mikrotik

Imagestream

Vyatta

Juniper SRX

Cisco

Performance and price

20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)

2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)



Up to 8x1GE

300 Mbps – 1500$

Up to 8x1GE



Features

Proprietary OS

Open source, Linux-based

Quagga as dynamic routing package

High end of open source routers

Cisco competitor,

Junos

IOS – stable and proven

Advantages











Disadvantages

Up to 2x10GE (
Powerouter 732?)

OSPF issues







Use cases

Startups

Startups



Large enterprises with certified engineers

Large enterprises with certified engineers

Technical support

Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants

Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support

You can purchase service contract

Many paid options

Many paid options

Try before buy

http://demo2.mt.lv/











-- Forwarded message --
From: Roman 
Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
To: wireless@wispa.org


What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for
one-time project. I need some "rule-of-thumb" in order to apply it for all
of my projects to get budget calculation.
For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps
backhaul you advise to use configuration "Small". Then, for projects with up
to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration
"Medium". For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical
characteristics and price.

Thank you in advance!



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