Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us
Well, some of the old Telco's don't seem to understand that things are changing. They still operate with the understanding that everything is special and needs to be added onto the cost of your circuit. Someone *cough*AT&T*cough* wanted to charge for the ability to use bgp community blackholes on their network. IPv6? Oh yeah, I had to do some digging on this, its part of our MIS++^3 service, we'll pursue this on an individual case basic and need to open an ICB pricing request to determine the cost to add this feature to your circuit. #$$(*#@(@#$)(@[EMAIL PROTECTED](@#& ahem, yeah.. You get the drift. -Tony John J. Thomas wrote: > I hope they don't charge more for IPv6. Currently ARIN is offering discounts > for those that want to deploy IPv6, and they are considering making IPv4 cost > more as time goes on in order to "push" IPv6 adoption. > > John > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Anthony R. Mattke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 06:55 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us >> >> As far as vendors go, I've seen the same thing on our end, I'm pretty >> sure none of our CPE supports it as of yet, the only thing that does is >> our routers. I would like to say that Imagestream has been great as far >> as getting us updated with IPv6 tools, their engineers are working on >> quite a few exciting things that I think are going to help the migration >> of IPv6 into our network. >> >> We just got our allocation last Friday, I think out of all of our >> upstreams, only 2 do IPv6 on their own backbone. And honestly I'm a bit >> worried to contact one of them.. they're going to want to charge us for it. >> >> -Tony >> >> Bryan Scott wrote: >>> Anthony R. Mattke wrote: >>>> Someone posted some questions about a year ago about IPv6 and most of us >>>> looked at it and said yeah, some day.. but for a lot of us IPv6 is our >>>> next step. >>>> >>>> What about IPv6->IPv6 gateways/6to4 tunnels? Anyone configure one on >>> their network yet? >>> >>> I've done this at home with one of my Linux boxes and it works great on >>> Linux and OS X. That's as far as I got. >>> >>>> There are a lot of questions for anything thinking about IPv6 >>>> integration / migration, and I'd like to discuss some of the options as >>>> far as moving forward with IPv6 deployment with anyone that is interested. >>> We went to an ARIN IPv6 meeting, and even got our initial IPv6 >>> allocation. The biggest problem pointed out by the DOD presenter was >>> that nobody's eating their own dog food. All the vendors are making >>> IPv6 "compliant" gear, but it doesn't cooperate well (he cited various >>> issues in their testing). >>> >>> That leads to the second problem, which is since nothing works, nobody >>> deploys. Without anybody deploying, nothing gets tested so that it >>> works. A big chicken-and-egg problem... >>> >>> After getting our deployment, I asked our (big name) upstream providers >>> about setting up concurrent IPv6 peering or tunneling, whichever would >>> work. They were reluctant and said they weren't really ready or >>> couldn't do it. >>> >>> -- Bryan >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> -- >> >> Anthony R. Mattke >> Senior Network Engineer >> CyberLink International >> 888.293.3693 x4353 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > >
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us
I hope they don't charge more for IPv6. Currently ARIN is offering discounts for those that want to deploy IPv6, and they are considering making IPv4 cost more as time goes on in order to "push" IPv6 adoption. John >-Original Message- >From: Anthony R. Mattke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 06:55 AM >To: 'WISPA General List' >Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us > >As far as vendors go, I've seen the same thing on our end, I'm pretty >sure none of our CPE supports it as of yet, the only thing that does is >our routers. I would like to say that Imagestream has been great as far >as getting us updated with IPv6 tools, their engineers are working on >quite a few exciting things that I think are going to help the migration >of IPv6 into our network. > >We just got our allocation last Friday, I think out of all of our >upstreams, only 2 do IPv6 on their own backbone. And honestly I'm a bit >worried to contact one of them.. they're going to want to charge us for it. > >-Tony > >Bryan Scott wrote: >> Anthony R. Mattke wrote: >>> Someone posted some questions about a year ago about IPv6 and most of us >>> looked at it and said yeah, some day.. but for a lot of us IPv6 is our >>> next step. >>> >>> What about IPv6->IPv6 gateways/6to4 tunnels? Anyone configure one on >> their network yet? >> >> I've done this at home with one of my Linux boxes and it works great on >> Linux and OS X. That's as far as I got. >> >>> There are a lot of questions for anything thinking about IPv6 >>> integration / migration, and I'd like to discuss some of the options as >>> far as moving forward with IPv6 deployment with anyone that is interested. >> >> We went to an ARIN IPv6 meeting, and even got our initial IPv6 >> allocation. The biggest problem pointed out by the DOD presenter was >> that nobody's eating their own dog food. All the vendors are making >> IPv6 "compliant" gear, but it doesn't cooperate well (he cited various >> issues in their testing). >> >> That leads to the second problem, which is since nothing works, nobody >> deploys. Without anybody deploying, nothing gets tested so that it >> works. A big chicken-and-egg problem... >> >> After getting our deployment, I asked our (big name) upstream providers >> about setting up concurrent IPv6 peering or tunneling, whichever would >> work. They were reluctant and said they weren't really ready or >> couldn't do it. >> >> -- Bryan >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >-- > >Anthony R. Mattke >Senior Network Engineer >CyberLink International >888.293.3693 x4353 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >WISPA Wants You! Join today! >http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us
As far as vendors go, I've seen the same thing on our end, I'm pretty sure none of our CPE supports it as of yet, the only thing that does is our routers. I would like to say that Imagestream has been great as far as getting us updated with IPv6 tools, their engineers are working on quite a few exciting things that I think are going to help the migration of IPv6 into our network. We just got our allocation last Friday, I think out of all of our upstreams, only 2 do IPv6 on their own backbone. And honestly I'm a bit worried to contact one of them.. they're going to want to charge us for it. -Tony Bryan Scott wrote: > Anthony R. Mattke wrote: >> Someone posted some questions about a year ago about IPv6 and most of us >> looked at it and said yeah, some day.. but for a lot of us IPv6 is our >> next step. >> >> What about IPv6->IPv6 gateways/6to4 tunnels? Anyone configure one on > their network yet? > > I've done this at home with one of my Linux boxes and it works great on > Linux and OS X. That's as far as I got. > >> There are a lot of questions for anything thinking about IPv6 >> integration / migration, and I'd like to discuss some of the options as >> far as moving forward with IPv6 deployment with anyone that is interested. > > We went to an ARIN IPv6 meeting, and even got our initial IPv6 > allocation. The biggest problem pointed out by the DOD presenter was > that nobody's eating their own dog food. All the vendors are making > IPv6 "compliant" gear, but it doesn't cooperate well (he cited various > issues in their testing). > > That leads to the second problem, which is since nothing works, nobody > deploys. Without anybody deploying, nothing gets tested so that it > works. A big chicken-and-egg problem... > > After getting our deployment, I asked our (big name) upstream providers > about setting up concurrent IPv6 peering or tunneling, whichever would > work. They were reluctant and said they weren't really ready or > couldn't do it. > > -- Bryan > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Anthony R. Mattke Senior Network Engineer CyberLink International 888.293.3693 x4353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us
It's being done a lot in the South East Asia. We are just getting our first requests for people actually needing to use IPv6 on our routers. I'm sure a lot of the bugs will be worked out by the time most in the US get started with it. Jeff ImageStream -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us Anthony R. Mattke wrote: > Someone posted some questions about a year ago about IPv6 and most of > us looked at it and said yeah, some day.. but for a lot of us IPv6 is > our next step. > > What about IPv6->IPv6 gateways/6to4 tunnels? Anyone configure one on their network yet? I've done this at home with one of my Linux boxes and it works great on Linux and OS X. That's as far as I got. > There are a lot of questions for anything thinking about IPv6 > integration / migration, and I'd like to discuss some of the options as > far as moving forward with IPv6 deployment with anyone that is interested. We went to an ARIN IPv6 meeting, and even got our initial IPv6 allocation. The biggest problem pointed out by the DOD presenter was that nobody's eating their own dog food. All the vendors are making IPv6 "compliant" gear, but it doesn't cooperate well (he cited various issues in their testing). That leads to the second problem, which is since nothing works, nobody deploys. Without anybody deploying, nothing gets tested so that it works. A big chicken-and-egg problem... After getting our deployment, I asked our (big name) upstream providers about setting up concurrent IPv6 peering or tunneling, whichever would work. They were reluctant and said they weren't really ready or couldn't do it. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPv6 and Us
Anthony R. Mattke wrote: > Someone posted some questions about a year ago about IPv6 and most of us > looked at it and said yeah, some day.. but for a lot of us IPv6 is our > next step. > > What about IPv6->IPv6 gateways/6to4 tunnels? Anyone configure one on their network yet? I've done this at home with one of my Linux boxes and it works great on Linux and OS X. That's as far as I got. > There are a lot of questions for anything thinking about IPv6 > integration / migration, and I'd like to discuss some of the options as > far as moving forward with IPv6 deployment with anyone that is interested. We went to an ARIN IPv6 meeting, and even got our initial IPv6 allocation. The biggest problem pointed out by the DOD presenter was that nobody's eating their own dog food. All the vendors are making IPv6 "compliant" gear, but it doesn't cooperate well (he cited various issues in their testing). That leads to the second problem, which is since nothing works, nobody deploys. Without anybody deploying, nothing gets tested so that it works. A big chicken-and-egg problem... After getting our deployment, I asked our (big name) upstream providers about setting up concurrent IPv6 peering or tunneling, whichever would work. They were reluctant and said they weren't really ready or couldn't do it. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] IPv6 and Us
Someone posted some questions about a year ago about IPv6 and most of us looked at it and said yeah, some day.. but for a lot of us IPv6 is our next step. Has anyone sat down and done anything thinking about how they're going to meet guidelines for deployment? More specifically how are we going to hand out a /48 to each customer ? This is much easier in a PtP world, but with PtMP it makes it much more difficult to manage. Who is using link-locals for PTP router connections on your backbone? What about /64s ? Anyone see major issues with doing such? What about IPv6->IPv6 gateways/6to4 tunnels? Anyone configure one on their network yet? Are people running dual stack instead of depending on a gateway/tunnel? Or have there been issues with setting up dual stack POPs? There are a lot of questions for anything thinking about IPv6 integration / migration, and I'd like to discuss some of the options as far as moving forward with IPv6 deployment with anyone that is interested. -Tony -- Anthony R. Mattke Senior Network Engineer CyberLink International 888.293.3693 x4353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
