Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)
Most all of our x86 MikroTik routers are running v2.9.46, but we do have a few running v3.16. Yes, we did see the fast clock issue on versions 3.15, but it has not caused any of our routers to crash. They just had a fast clock. Version 3.16 is supposed to resolve that problem, but we have still seen the fast clock happen even with v3.16. We typically don't upgrade MikroTik versions unless there is a feature we are looking for that current running version doesn't have or the version has a specific bug that affects what we are trying to accomplish. We still have x86 routers running v2.8 in some locations simply because we haven't needed to upgrade for any reason. No reason to fix something that isn't broken. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help) One question I really would love to hear the answer to.. What version of 3.x are you using (if any) on those multi core/processor Mikrotiks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and haven't looked back since. It was better than three years ago when we bench tested more than 800Mbps between MikroTik routers using older Intel Pro fiber NICs and standard 32bit PCI slots. Over the years we have deployed numerous MikroTik routers with 24 or more 10/100 Interfaces, and several MikroTik routers with multiple Intel GigE Copper and Fiber Interfaces. Today our MikroTik routers have evolved to include motherboards with multiple PCIe x8 x16 lane expansion slots, Quad core CPUs, 2Gig RAM, redundant hot-swap power supplies and multiple six port SFP NICs. This latest generation of MikroTik router we are deploying are extremely fast, flexible, cost effective and most importantly reliable. The SFP NICs allow us to easily swap Interfaces from Copper GigE to SX fiber, LX fiber, ZX Fiber...all hot-swap without requiring the router to be powered down or rebooted. The power supplies are diverse and redundant. We can lose either power feed or power module or any combination of the two and still keep the router powered up. We are currently peering with three GigE upstream providers with a fourth GigE provider being turned up this week for unprecedented capacity and diversity for an ISP our size. We are already exploring and evaluating 10GigE Interfaces as our requirements continue to increase. We have no reason to believe the MikroTik platform will not continue to deliver the exceptional performance we have become accustomed to. Every client gets a MikroTik CPE router that we own and manage regardless of the medium used (microwave, copper, fiber etc.) to deliver their data circuit. A MikroTik as a client CPE router gives us terrific flexibility and diagnostic abilities. MikroTik allows us to provide the detailed information required to identify and resolve problems at the client side quickly and efficiently. We have made countless IT Guys heroes in the eyes of their employers more times than I care to remember. grin I firmly believe we would not be where we are today, offering the level of service we are able to provide without MikroTik at the core of our network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)
I have an Intel Q9550 processor running v3.13 right now. Works perfectly for 100 days of uptime so far. Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: One question I really would love to hear the answer to.. What version of 3.x are you using (if any) on those multi core/processor Mikrotiks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and haven't looked back since. It was better than three years ago when we bench tested more than 800Mbps between MikroTik routers using older Intel Pro fiber NICs and standard 32bit PCI slots. Over the years we have deployed numerous MikroTik routers with 24 or more 10/100 Interfaces, and several MikroTik routers with multiple Intel GigE Copper and Fiber Interfaces. Today our MikroTik routers have evolved to include motherboards with multiple PCIe x8 x16 lane expansion slots, Quad core CPUs, 2Gig RAM, redundant hot-swap power supplies and multiple six port SFP NICs. This latest generation of MikroTik router we are deploying are extremely fast, flexible, cost effective and most importantly reliable. The SFP NICs allow us to easily swap Interfaces from Copper GigE to SX fiber, LX fiber, ZX Fiber...all hot-swap without requiring the router to be powered down or rebooted. The power supplies are diverse and redundant. We can lose either power feed or power module or any combination of the two and still keep the router powered up. We are currently peering with three GigE upstream providers with a fourth GigE provider being turned up this week for unprecedented capacity and diversity for an ISP our size. We are already exploring and evaluating 10GigE Interfaces as our requirements continue to increase. We have no reason to believe the MikroTik platform will not continue to deliver the exceptional performance we have become accustomed to. Every client gets a MikroTik CPE router that we own and manage regardless of the medium used (microwave, copper, fiber etc.) to deliver their data circuit. A MikroTik as a client CPE router gives us terrific flexibility and diagnostic abilities. MikroTik allows us to provide the detailed information required to identify and resolve problems at the client side quickly and efficiently. We have made countless "IT Guys" heroes in the eyes of their employers more times than I care to remember. grin I firmly believe we would not be where we are today, offering the level of service we are able to provide without MikroTik at the core of our network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:13 P To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help How can you possibly get 100 megs with Mikrotik? On 12/9/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the "THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT"! :) Nothing wrong with that. You should be able to do that with some high end MTs and EoIP Tunnels though :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis
[WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)
I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and haven't looked back since. It was better than three years ago when we bench tested more than 800Mbps between MikroTik routers using older Intel Pro fiber NICs and standard 32bit PCI slots. Over the years we have deployed numerous MikroTik routers with 24 or more 10/100 Interfaces, and several MikroTik routers with multiple Intel GigE Copper and Fiber Interfaces. Today our MikroTik routers have evolved to include motherboards with multiple PCIe x8 x16 lane expansion slots, Quad core CPUs, 2Gig RAM, redundant hot-swap power supplies and multiple six port SFP NICs. This latest generation of MikroTik router we are deploying are extremely fast, flexible, cost effective and most importantly reliable. The SFP NICs allow us to easily swap Interfaces from Copper GigE to SX fiber, LX fiber, ZX Fiber...all hot-swap without requiring the router to be powered down or rebooted. The power supplies are diverse and redundant. We can lose either power feed or power module or any combination of the two and still keep the router powered up. We are currently peering with three GigE upstream providers with a fourth GigE provider being turned up this week for unprecedented capacity and diversity for an ISP our size. We are already exploring and evaluating 10GigE Interfaces as our requirements continue to increase. We have no reason to believe the MikroTik platform will not continue to deliver the exceptional performance we have become accustomed to. Every client gets a MikroTik CPE router that we own and manage regardless of the medium used (microwave, copper, fiber etc.) to deliver their data circuit. A MikroTik as a client CPE router gives us terrific flexibility and diagnostic abilities. MikroTik allows us to provide the detailed information required to identify and resolve problems at the client side quickly and efficiently. We have made countless IT Guys heroes in the eyes of their employers more times than I care to remember. grin I firmly believe we would not be where we are today, offering the level of service we are able to provide without MikroTik at the core of our network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:13 P To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help How can you possibly get 100 megs with Mikrotik? On 12/9/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT! :) Nothing wrong with that. You should be able to do that with some high end MTs and EoIP Tunnels though :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Normally that is what we do... using Cisco ASA firewalls and setting up VPN tunnels for the customers... however, this particular customer needs the full 100Mbps between the ports and transparent transport... and they are paying for it... :) Travis Microserv Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: Just a FYI, I would just create a tunnel between the two sites. No configuration on your backend network, bandwidth restrictions are the same as internet traffic typically, etc. Simpler, and no loop issues. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)
One question I really would love to hear the answer to.. What version of 3.x are you using (if any) on those multi core/processor Mikrotiks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and haven't looked back since. It was better than three years ago when we bench tested more than 800Mbps between MikroTik routers using older Intel Pro fiber NICs and standard 32bit PCI slots. Over the years we have deployed numerous MikroTik routers with 24 or more 10/100 Interfaces, and several MikroTik routers with multiple Intel GigE Copper and Fiber Interfaces. Today our MikroTik routers have evolved to include motherboards with multiple PCIe x8 x16 lane expansion slots, Quad core CPUs, 2Gig RAM, redundant hot-swap power supplies and multiple six port SFP NICs. This latest generation of MikroTik router we are deploying are extremely fast, flexible, cost effective and most importantly reliable. The SFP NICs allow us to easily swap Interfaces from Copper GigE to SX fiber, LX fiber, ZX Fiber...all hot-swap without requiring the router to be powered down or rebooted. The power supplies are diverse and redundant. We can lose either power feed or power module or any combination of the two and still keep the router powered up. We are currently peering with three GigE upstream providers with a fourth GigE provider being turned up this week for unprecedented capacity and diversity for an ISP our size. We are already exploring and evaluating 10GigE Interfaces as our requirements continue to increase. We have no reason to believe the MikroTik platform will not continue to deliver the exceptional performance we have become accustomed to. Every client gets a MikroTik CPE router that we own and manage regardless of the medium used (microwave, copper, fiber etc.) to deliver their data circuit. A MikroTik as a client CPE router gives us terrific flexibility and diagnostic abilities. MikroTik allows us to provide the detailed information required to identify and resolve problems at the client side quickly and efficiently. We have made countless IT Guys heroes in the eyes of their employers more times than I care to remember. grin I firmly believe we would not be where we are today, offering the level of service we are able to provide without MikroTik at the core of our network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:13 P To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help How can you possibly get 100 megs with Mikrotik? On 12/9/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT! :) Nothing wrong with that. You should be able to do that with some high end MTs and EoIP Tunnels though :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Normally that is what we do... using Cisco ASA firewalls and setting up VPN tunnels for the customers... however, this particular customer needs the full 100Mbps between the ports and
