Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Mike Hammett]

I'm replacing my single x86 board with 4x 411AHs...  Single board per radio 
from now on (other than low impact repeaters, internal wifi, etc.).  The 
extra 2 Ethernet and mPCI are unnecessary.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--
From: "Josh Luthman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:48 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

> When I read "However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an
> intermittent time period several times an hour." I believe he was 
> referring
> from the CPE radio to his office PC/core.
>
> RB411 is meant for a CPE device.  RB433 is meant for an AP.
>
> If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an 
> excellent
> choice.  Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of expansion
> is expected or not.  The cost of replacing the router in the middle of
> deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433 and
> RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory).
>
> You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a wise
> choice!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first
>> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
>> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
>>
>> Sam Tetherow
>> Sandhills Wireless
>>
>> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > I have a odd issue(as always).
>> >
>> > First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
>> > Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
>> > are Tranzeo TR19
>> >
>> > Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
>> > from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client 
>> > to
>> > my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
>> > hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
>> > POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
>> > what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As 
>> > soon
>> > as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
>> > connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
>> > tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
>> > and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
>> > the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When 
>> > the
>> > client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
>> > control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
>> > office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
>> > NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
>> > tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
>> > works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
>> > now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>> >
>> > HELP
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> > (765)584-2288
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Scottie Arnett]

Is is funny how the really intelligent technical people have no idea on how to 
run a business.

Scottie

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:14:36 -0500

 That and Lonnie is a jerk.
>
>Steve Barnes
>RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
>Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:57 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
>I'm curious to hear why the client's VPN wouldn't work.   I haven't had 
>any problem with client VPN units working through StarOS.   Might be a 
>network design issue rather than anything to do with StarOS.
>
>I would strongly suggest switching to a StarOS board with V3 and atheros
>
>chipset cards.   If the rest of your APs are StarOS, having a few 
>Mikrotik APs in there makes for a little bit of a management problem as 
>they are not as easy to maintain as a StarOS AP is.   The WAR2, WAR4 and
>
>X4000 boards all have plenty of CPU to handle 50+ clients.   I have one 
>client that has 120+ associations across four sectors with an X4000 and 
>it handles the traffic (and cbq bandwidth shaping) with no problems.
>
>Other thing to check would be the client CPE ethernet autonegotiation, 
>especially if the radio is pinging without loss.   If you are using 
>CPQ19 units, you might want to change the autonegotiation down to 10 
>full and see if that helps.   Some newer switches and routers do not do 
>the autonegotiation well and you need to hard-code one side to ensure a 
>good connection to the bottom.
>
>Matt Larsen
>vistabeam.com
>
>Steve Barnes wrote:
>> In reply to the RB411.  We changed from a StarOS WAR board that would
>> not work for our clients VPN and the company that put up my towers
>> replaced them with a RB411.  I was the Guinea Pig for their Mikrotik
>AP
>> setup.  I am a Tranzeo Guy and know little about MT boards been using
>> StarOS Wrap for years but hard to get now. Is the RB411 a bad decision
>> if so what should be used?
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> (765)584-2288
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>
>> You may want to look at the status tab of the associated clients on
>the
>> AP.
>> See if there are lost packets or a lot of retransmissions.
>>
>> Did you really use a RB411 or did you mean another model for the AP?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> I have a odd issue(as always).
>>>
>>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
>>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
>>> are Tranzeo TR19
>>>
>>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
>>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
>>> 
>> to
>>   
>>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
>>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
>>> 
>> the
>>   
>>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
>>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
>>> 
>> soon
>>   
>>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never
>loses
>>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
>>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
>>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
>>> 
>> to
>>   
>>> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
>>> 
>> the
>>   
>>> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
>>> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
>>> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it st

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[RickG]

I always try to stay on non-overlapping channels. Fortunatly, I am in
the boondocks and 2.4GHz is mostly clear. I've got a few AP's that
will only perform well on channel 8. Any ideas?
-RickG

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve,
>
>
>   2442 overlaps both channels 6 (2437) and 11 (2462)
>
> IMHO - you would be better off by staying with non overlapping channels such
> as 2412/2437/2462 and deal with the noise by utilizing Horizontal
> polarities. Between the noise from others and the overlapping of channels by
> yourself - - I feel for sure your issue maker has been found.
>
>  You can utilize individual channels if you move all your clients over to
> something like MT or STAROS CPE where you can limit the client to a 10MHz
> channel. Tranzeo CPE does not offer that ability and if they did - - it
> would have to be the same spacing as MT or STAROS spacing.
>
>  A MT 900 AP may put you in some freed up space or even 5.x  - - but I would
> sniff the air before spending a chunk of change.
>
> Good Luck,
> Mac
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:23 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>
>> I have scanned from the AP 2422 is the only open channel. Here is info
>> from the scan.
>>
>> 2462  -35
>> 2447  -76
>> 2437  -77
>> 2447  -77
>> 2462  -80
>> 2437  -81
>> 2412  -82
>> 2442  -82
>>
>> I know overlap will can kill me but I feel with spacing 2422 is the
>> best
>> there was a total of 29 APs found all the rest were -86 or more(less).
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>
>> Note that when you do a scan the AP will disassociate with ALL of your
>> clients...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose
>> wireless tab
>> > on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
>> > interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing
>> channels??
>> >
>> > Mac
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On
>> > > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>> > >
>> > > MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70
>> Noise
>> > > -102 11Mb
>> > >
>> > > Steve Barnes
>> > > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On
>> > > Behalf Of Mac Dearman
>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
>> > > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>> > >
>> > > Steve,
>> > >
>> > >   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you
>> are
>> > > running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not
>> have
>> a
>> > > signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - -
>> you
>> > > may
>> > > see some strange issues.
>> > >
>> > >I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal
>> level
>> > > was
>> > > at
>> > > -85 that exhibited weirdness.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Mac
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > -Original Message-
>> > 

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[D. Ryan Spott]

Heh,

I am in an area like Marlon's (a little wetter to be sure).

Sometimes I crash CPE when I put them into scanning mode there are so 
many APs around here!

ryan

Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> 29 ap's?  roflol
>
> Dude, in a 45* sector I can pick up 99 last time I looked.
>
> The -35 looks like it would probably be one of yours
>
> I've had to set some of my ap's to ignore everything below -85 or so.  That 
> sure cuts back on the range to some people these days.  Gonna really suck 
> when that hits -80 or even -75.
> marlon
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
>
>   
>> I have scanned from the AP 2422 is the only open channel. Here is info
>> from the scan.
>>
>> 2462 -35
>> 2447 -76
>> 2437 -77
>> 2447 -77
>> 2462 -80
>> 2437 -81
>> 2412 -82
>> 2442 -82
>>
>> I know overlap will can kill me but I feel with spacing 2422 is the best
>> there was a total of 29 APs found all the rest were -86 or more(less).
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>
>> Note that when you do a scan the AP will disassociate with ALL of your
>> clients...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose
>>>   
>> wireless tab
>> 
>>> on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
>>> interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing
>>>   
>> channels??
>> 
>>> Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> 
>> On
>> 
>>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>>>
>>>> MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70
>>>> 
>> Noise
>> 
>>>> -102 11Mb
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barnes
>>>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> 
>> On
>> 
>>>> Behalf Of Mac Dearman
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>>>
>>>> Steve,
>>>>
>>>>   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in
>>>> the
>>>> TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you
>>>> 
>> are
>> 
>>>> running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have
>>>> 
>> a
>> 
>>>> signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - -
>>>> 
>> you
>> 
>>>> may
>>>> see some strange issues.
>>>>
>>>>I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level
>>>> was
>>>> at
>>>> -85 that exhibited weirdness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>   
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>>>> On
>>>> 
>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>>>>>
>>>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Marlon K. Schafer]

29 ap's?  roflol

Dude, in a 45* sector I can pick up 99 last time I looked.

The -35 looks like it would probably be one of yours

I've had to set some of my ap's to ignore everything below -85 or so.  That 
sure cuts back on the range to some people these days.  Gonna really suck 
when that hits -80 or even -75.
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues


>I have scanned from the AP 2422 is the only open channel. Here is info
> from the scan.
>
> 2462 -35
> 2447 -76
> 2437 -77
> 2447 -77
> 2462 -80
> 2437 -81
> 2412 -82
> 2442 -82
>
> I know overlap will can kill me but I feel with spacing 2422 is the best
> there was a total of 29 APs found all the rest were -86 or more(less).
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
> Note that when you do a scan the AP will disassociate with ALL of your
> clients...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose
> wireless tab
>> on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
>> interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing
> channels??
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
>> > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>> >
>> > MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70
> Noise
>> > -102 11Mb
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
>> > Behalf Of Mac Dearman
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
>> > To: 'WISPA General List'
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>> >
>> > Steve,
>> >
>> >   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in
>> > the
>> > TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you
> are
>> > running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have
> a
>> > signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - -
> you
>> > may
>> > see some strange issues.
>> >
>> >I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level
>> > was
>> > at
>> > -85 that exhibited weirdness.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mac
>> >
>> >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>> > >
>> > > It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is
> very
>> > > intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
>> > > clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to
> my
>> > > DNS
>> > > when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad)
>> > good
>> > > thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way
> it
>> > is
>> > > a
>> > > straight through Masqueraded Nat.
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On
>> > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
>> > > To: WISPA General List
>> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>> > >
>>

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Mac Dearman]

Steve,


   2442 overlaps both channels 6 (2437) and 11 (2462)

IMHO - you would be better off by staying with non overlapping channels such
as 2412/2437/2462 and deal with the noise by utilizing Horizontal
polarities. Between the noise from others and the overlapping of channels by
yourself - - I feel for sure your issue maker has been found.

 You can utilize individual channels if you move all your clients over to
something like MT or STAROS CPE where you can limit the client to a 10MHz
channel. Tranzeo CPE does not offer that ability and if they did - - it
would have to be the same spacing as MT or STAROS spacing.

 A MT 900 AP may put you in some freed up space or even 5.x  - - but I would
sniff the air before spending a chunk of change.

Good Luck,
Mac



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> I have scanned from the AP 2422 is the only open channel. Here is info
> from the scan.
> 
> 2462  -35
> 2447  -76
> 2437  -77
> 2447  -77
> 2462  -80
> 2437  -81
> 2412  -82
> 2442  -82
> 
> I know overlap will can kill me but I feel with spacing 2422 is the
> best
> there was a total of 29 APs found all the rest were -86 or more(less).
> 
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> Note that when you do a scan the AP will disassociate with ALL of your
> clients...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose
> wireless tab
> > on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
> > interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing
> channels??
> >
> > Mac
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > >
> > > MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70
> Noise
> > > -102 11Mb
> > >
> > > Steve Barnes
> > > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Mac Dearman
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
> > > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > >   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported
> in
> > > the
> > > TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you
> are
> > > running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not
> have
> a
> > > signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - -
> you
> > > may
> > > see some strange issues.
> > >
> > >I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal
> level
> > > was
> > > at
> > > -85 that exhibited weirdness.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mac
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
> > > > To: WISPA General List
> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > > >
> > > > It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is
> very
> > > > intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These
> 2
> > > > clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to
> my
> > > > DNS
> > > > when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad)
> > > good
> > > > thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way
> it
> > > is
&g

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

I have scanned from the AP 2422 is the only open channel. Here is info
from the scan.

2462-35
2447-76
2437-77
2447-77
2462-80
2437-81
2412-82
2442-82

I know overlap will can kill me but I feel with spacing 2422 is the best
there was a total of 29 APs found all the rest were -86 or more(less).

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:57 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

Note that when you do a scan the AP will disassociate with ALL of your
clients...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose
wireless tab
> on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
> interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing
channels??
>
> Mac
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> >
> > MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70
Noise
> > -102 11Mb
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> > Behalf Of Mac Dearman
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in
> > the
> > TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you
are
> > running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have
a
> > signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - -
you
> > may
> > see some strange issues.
> >
> >I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level
> > was
> > at
> > -85 that exhibited weirdness.
> >
> >
> > Mac
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > >
> > > It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is
very
> > > intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
> > > clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to
my
> > > DNS
> > > when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad)
> > good
> > > thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way
it
> > is
> > > a
> > > straight through Masqueraded Nat.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > >
> > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a odd issue(as always).
> > >
> > > If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That
> > > has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower,
> > > when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are
> > > disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.
If
> > > so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be
how
> > > long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for
> > > seconds or minutes?
> > >
> > > --
> > >

> > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network
> Consultation*
> > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering
>  *
> > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member
> > *
> > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * Wired or Wireless Networks
> *
> > >
**

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Josh Luthman]

Note that when you do a scan the AP will disassociate with ALL of your
clients...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose wireless tab
> on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
> interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing channels??
>
> Mac
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> >
> > MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70 Noise
> > -102 11Mb
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Mac Dearman
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> >   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in
> > the
> > TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you are
> > running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have a
> > signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - - you
> > may
> > see some strange issues.
> >
> >I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level
> > was
> > at
> > -85 that exhibited weirdness.
> >
> >
> > Mac
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > >
> > > It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very
> > > intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
> > > clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my
> > > DNS
> > > when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad)
> > good
> > > thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way it
> > is
> > > a
> > > straight through Masqueraded Nat.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> > >
> > > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a odd issue(as always).
> > >
> > > If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That
> > > has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower,
> > > when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are
> > > disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.  If
> > > so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be how
> > > long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for
> > > seconds or minutes?
> > >
> > > --
> > > 
> > > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network
> Consultation*
> > > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering
>  *
> > > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member
> > *
> > > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * Wired or Wireless Networks
> *
> > > 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Mac Dearman]

When you log into the AP that is giving you trouble - - choose wireless tab
on left and then double click the radio - run "scan" and see if its
interference with something else on that channel. Tried changing channels??

Mac



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70 Noise
> -102 11Mb
> 
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mac Dearman
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> Steve,
> 
>   You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in
> the
> TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you are
> running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have a
> signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - - you
> may
> see some strange issues.
> 
>I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level
> was
> at
> -85 that exhibited weirdness.
> 
> 
> Mac
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> >
> > It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very
> > intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
> > clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my
> > DNS
> > when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad)
> good
> > thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way it
> is
> > a
> > straight through Masqueraded Nat.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of Butch Evans
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> >
> > On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:
> >
> > > I have a odd issue(as always).
> >
> > If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That
> > has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower,
> > when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are
> > disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.  If
> > so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be how
> > long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for
> > seconds or minutes?
> >
> > --
> > 
> > * Butch Evans   * Professional Network Consultation*
> > * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
> > * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member
> *
> > * http://blog.butchevans.com/   * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

MT AP side -71 11mb/11mb CCQ=96% Sig to noise=29dB.  Tranzeo -70 Noise
-102 11Mb 

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mac Dearman
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:03 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

Steve,

  You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in the
TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you are
running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have a
signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - - you
may
see some strange issues. 

   I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level was
at
-85 that exhibited weirdness. 


Mac
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very
> intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
> clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my
> DNS
> when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad) good
> thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way it is
> a
> straight through Masqueraded Nat.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:
> 
> > I have a odd issue(as always).
> 
> If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That
> has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower,
> when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are
> disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.  If
> so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be how
> long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for
> seconds or minutes?
> 
> --
> 
> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation*
> * http://www.butchevans.com/  * Network Engineering  *
> * http://www.wispa.org/   * WISPA Board Member
*
> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Mac Dearman]

Steve,

  You may have already stated this, but what is the RSSI reported in the
TRCPQ19? What is the SNR reported at the AP in the MT box? If you are
running a XR2 in the MT AP and have a CPQ19 as a CPE and do not have a
signal level being reported of at least  a -84/-83 in the CPQ - - you may
see some strange issues. 

   I have seen many CPQ (when connected to a XR2) whose signal level was at
-85 that exhibited weirdness. 


Mac
 

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:27 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very
> intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
> clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my
> DNS
> when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad) good
> thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way it is
> a
> straight through Masqueraded Nat.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
> 
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:
> 
> > I have a odd issue(as always).
> 
> If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That
> has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower,
> when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are
> disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.  If
> so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be how
> long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for
> seconds or minutes?
> 
> --
> 
> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation*
> * http://www.butchevans.com/  * Network Engineering  *
> * http://www.wispa.org/   * WISPA Board Member   *
> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks   *
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

It is on v 3.15 there is no unusual disassociation. The issue is very
intermittent and lasts anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 min.  These 2
clients are now to the place that they keep a small ping going to my DNS
when the pings go out they just wait until they come back.  (sad) good
thing they are patient.  I am not mangling the packets I any way it is a
straight through Masqueraded Nat.   

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:

> I have a odd issue(as always).

If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That 
has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower, 
when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are 
disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.  If 
so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be how 
long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for 
seconds or minutes?

-- 

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* http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
* http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member   *
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

I spent 4 weeks back and forth arguing with Valemont on their forums
about my issues with VPN and their change of how they handle hotspots
and speed control.  At that time all I had was StarOS v2 Wrap boards and
loved them but they wouldn't handle XR2's and the Wrap boards being end
of life we decided to go to War V3 Worked and worked with them to get
the issues resolved.  After being repeatedly insulted by them and being
told by Lonnie to do the industry a favor and go out of business and let
a real ISP take over my clients I flipped out and installed a Mikrotik.
At that time every one of my problems with speed and VPN problem were
solved within 2 min from the MT's being installed.  That is why I
switched.  I wish that Valemont had more of a support department because
I thing for the most part the StarOS boards just work.  But they did not
just work for me In that instance.  I still use them for all my
backhauls but I use MT for all my Routers and I have grown really fond
of winbox and The Dude. I will probable lean more toward Mikrotik for
these reasons. That and Lonnie is a jerk.

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

I'm curious to hear why the client's VPN wouldn't work.   I haven't had 
any problem with client VPN units working through StarOS.   Might be a 
network design issue rather than anything to do with StarOS.

I would strongly suggest switching to a StarOS board with V3 and atheros

chipset cards.   If the rest of your APs are StarOS, having a few 
Mikrotik APs in there makes for a little bit of a management problem as 
they are not as easy to maintain as a StarOS AP is.   The WAR2, WAR4 and

X4000 boards all have plenty of CPU to handle 50+ clients.   I have one 
client that has 120+ associations across four sectors with an X4000 and 
it handles the traffic (and cbq bandwidth shaping) with no problems.

Other thing to check would be the client CPE ethernet autonegotiation, 
especially if the radio is pinging without loss.   If you are using 
CPQ19 units, you might want to change the autonegotiation down to 10 
full and see if that helps.   Some newer switches and routers do not do 
the autonegotiation well and you need to hard-code one side to ensure a 
good connection to the bottom.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Steve Barnes wrote:
> In reply to the RB411.  We changed from a StarOS WAR board that would
> not work for our clients VPN and the company that put up my towers
> replaced them with a RB411.  I was the Guinea Pig for their Mikrotik
AP
> setup.  I am a Tranzeo Guy and know little about MT boards been using
> StarOS Wrap for years but hard to get now. Is the RB411 a bad decision
> if so what should be used?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
> You may want to look at the status tab of the associated clients on
the
> AP.
> See if there are lost packets or a lot of retransmissions.
>
> Did you really use a RB411 or did you mean another model for the AP?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>   
>> I have a odd issue(as always).
>>
>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
>> are Tranzeo TR19
>>
>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
>> 
> to
>   
>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
>> 
> the
>   
>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
>> 
> soon
>   
>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never
loses
>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
>>   

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I'm curious to hear why the client's VPN wouldn't work.   I haven't had 
any problem with client VPN units working through StarOS.   Might be a 
network design issue rather than anything to do with StarOS.

I would strongly suggest switching to a StarOS board with V3 and atheros 
chipset cards.   If the rest of your APs are StarOS, having a few 
Mikrotik APs in there makes for a little bit of a management problem as 
they are not as easy to maintain as a StarOS AP is.   The WAR2, WAR4 and 
X4000 boards all have plenty of CPU to handle 50+ clients.   I have one 
client that has 120+ associations across four sectors with an X4000 and 
it handles the traffic (and cbq bandwidth shaping) with no problems.

Other thing to check would be the client CPE ethernet autonegotiation, 
especially if the radio is pinging without loss.   If you are using 
CPQ19 units, you might want to change the autonegotiation down to 10 
full and see if that helps.   Some newer switches and routers do not do 
the autonegotiation well and you need to hard-code one side to ensure a 
good connection to the bottom.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

Steve Barnes wrote:
> In reply to the RB411.  We changed from a StarOS WAR board that would
> not work for our clients VPN and the company that put up my towers
> replaced them with a RB411.  I was the Guinea Pig for their Mikrotik AP
> setup.  I am a Tranzeo Guy and know little about MT boards been using
> StarOS Wrap for years but hard to get now. Is the RB411 a bad decision
> if so what should be used?
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
> You may want to look at the status tab of the associated clients on the
> AP.
> See if there are lost packets or a lot of retransmissions.
>
> Did you really use a RB411 or did you mean another model for the AP?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I have a odd issue(as always).
>>
>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
>> are Tranzeo TR19
>>
>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
>> 
> to
>   
>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
>> 
> the
>   
>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
>> 
> soon
>   
>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
>> 
> to
>   
>> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
>> 
> the
>   
>> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
>> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
>> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
>> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
>> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
>> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
>> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>>
>> HELP
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> (765)584-2288
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:

>In reply to the RB411.  We changed from a StarOS WAR board that 
>would not work for our clients VPN and the company that put up my 
>towers replaced them with a RB411.  I was the Guinea Pig for their 
>Mikrotik AP setup.  I am a Tranzeo Guy and know little about MT 
>boards been using StarOS Wrap for years but hard to get now. Is the 
>RB411 a bad decision if so what should be used?

I'm confused.  This is your network or someone elses?  Who would be 
replacing your equipment and then not providing adequate support for 
it?  This sounds a little fishy to me (on their part, not yours).

-- 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, Steve Barnes wrote:

> I have a odd issue(as always).

If you are running a RouterOS version <3.15, try upgrading.  That 
has fixed similar situations.  If you are able to watch the tower, 
when this happens, look at the log to see if clients are 
disconnecting en masse and then almost immediately reconnecting.  If 
so, the upgrade should help.  If not, then my question would be how 
long does this problem last?  Are they losing connectivity for 
seconds or minutes?

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Cameron Kilton]

Yeah, we've had some bad 532's and now they are on the wall of shame at
our office We love the 433 and the 433ah! 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

Short answer - rb411a is a good pick.

Dennis brought a really good fact to my attention.  The rb411a and rb433
have the same CPU memory (though lacks both 2 minipci slots and 2 NICs,
but
this is an AP after all).  On the vendors websites I browsed quickly the
rb411a is often a good $20 cheaper.

Has anyone had issues with the RB433/450 boards and a bad POE jack while
the
other ports work?  I have a lot of 532s with this problem.

I just saw this on the routerboard website - the R5H.  High powered 5.8
card
with an MMCX connector!  Neat!
http://www.routerboard.com/popup.php?kods=112&sess=98631dc4e28aadfbb21d6
633bb300ffd



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do prefer the 433AHs, however if you are only putting a single radio
> card on it, then the 411A vs 433 is wash.  Same processor, same RAM as
> the 433.  If you are not doing much with it, it should work fine.
Going
> to multiple radios per board, 433AH, is the way to go though.
>
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/>
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> <http://www.linktechs.net/>
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/*
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > When I read "However, pings from the client to my office will drop
for an
> > intermittent time period several times an hour." I believe he was
> referring
> > from the CPE radio to his office PC/core.
> >
> > RB411 is meant for a CPE device.  RB433 is meant for an AP.
> >
> > If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an
> excellent
> > choice.  Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of
> expansion
> > is expected or not.  The cost of replacing the router in the middle
of
> > deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433
and
> > RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory).
> >
> > You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a
wise
> > choice!
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My
first
> >> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
> >> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
> >>
> >> Sam Tetherow
> >> Sandhills Wireless
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a odd issue(as always).
> >>>
> >>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44
Clients.
> >>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All
CPE's
> >>> are Tranzeo TR19
> >>>
> >>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.
Pings
> >>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the
client
> to
> >>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times
an
> >>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected
to the
> >>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to
watch
> >>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.
As
> soon
> >>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never
loses
> >>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> >>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still
connected
> >>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the
tower to
> >>> the CPE never fail or change time nor do 

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Josh Luthman]

Short answer - rb411a is a good pick.

Dennis brought a really good fact to my attention.  The rb411a and rb433
have the same CPU memory (though lacks both 2 minipci slots and 2 NICs, but
this is an AP after all).  On the vendors websites I browsed quickly the
rb411a is often a good $20 cheaper.

Has anyone had issues with the RB433/450 boards and a bad POE jack while the
other ports work?  I have a lot of 532s with this problem.

I just saw this on the routerboard website - the R5H.  High powered 5.8 card
with an MMCX connector!  Neat!
http://www.routerboard.com/popup.php?kods=112&sess=98631dc4e28aadfbb21d6633bb300ffd



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do prefer the 433AHs, however if you are only putting a single radio
> card on it, then the 411A vs 433 is wash.  Same processor, same RAM as
> the 433.  If you are not doing much with it, it should work fine.  Going
> to multiple radios per board, 433AH, is the way to go though.
>
>
> --
> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net
> 
>
> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training
> /*
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
> > When I read "However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an
> > intermittent time period several times an hour." I believe he was
> referring
> > from the CPE radio to his office PC/core.
> >
> > RB411 is meant for a CPE device.  RB433 is meant for an AP.
> >
> > If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an
> excellent
> > choice.  Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of
> expansion
> > is expected or not.  The cost of replacing the router in the middle of
> > deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433 and
> > RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory).
> >
> > You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a wise
> > choice!
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first
> >> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
> >> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
> >>
> >> Sam Tetherow
> >> Sandhills Wireless
> >>
> >> Steve Barnes wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have a odd issue(as always).
> >>>
> >>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> >>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> >>> are Tranzeo TR19
> >>>
> >>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> >>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
> to
> >>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> >>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
> >>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> >>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
> soon
> >>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> >>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> >>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> >>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
> >>> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
> the
> >>> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> >>> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> >>> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> >>> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> >>> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> >>> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> >>> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
> >>>
> >>> HELP
> >>>
> >>> Steve Barnes
> >>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> >>> (765)584-2288
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net]

I do prefer the 433AHs, however if you are only putting a single radio 
card on it, then the 411A vs 433 is wash.  Same processor, same RAM as 
the 433.  If you are not doing much with it, it should work fine.  Going 
to multiple radios per board, 433AH, is the way to go though. 


--
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WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
*Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net 


*/ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training 
/*



Josh Luthman wrote:
> When I read "However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an
> intermittent time period several times an hour." I believe he was referring
> from the CPE radio to his office PC/core.
>
> RB411 is meant for a CPE device.  RB433 is meant for an AP.
>
> If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an excellent
> choice.  Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of expansion
> is expected or not.  The cost of replacing the router in the middle of
> deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433 and
> RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory).
>
> You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a wise
> choice!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first
>> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
>> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
>>
>> Sam Tetherow
>> Sandhills Wireless
>>
>> Steve Barnes wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a odd issue(as always).
>>>
>>> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
>>> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
>>> are Tranzeo TR19
>>>
>>> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
>>> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client to
>>> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
>>> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
>>> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
>>> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As soon
>>> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
>>> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
>>> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
>>> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
>>> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When the
>>> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
>>> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
>>> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
>>> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
>>> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
>>> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
>>> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>>>
>>> HELP
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>> (765)584-2288
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Josh Luthman]

What is behind the CPEs in that case?

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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No you cannot ping anything past the CPE. CCQ 100%
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:48 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
> Yeah, but he said he was plugged directly to the jbox so the router
> issue should be out of the mix.
>
> Can you ping the AP from the CPE when this dropout happens?
>
> How is the CCQ on the effected clients?
>
> Is it possible to turn down the modulation a bit to see if that cleans
> it up?
>
> -Cameron
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:46 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
>
> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first
> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
>
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
> > I have a odd issue(as always).
> >
> > First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> > Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> > are Tranzeo TR19
> >
> > Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> > from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
> to
> > my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> > hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
> the
> > POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> > what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
> soon
> > as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> > connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> > tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> > and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
> to
> > the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
> the
> > client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> > control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> > office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> > NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> > tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> > works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> > now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
> >
> > HELP
> >
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> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

No you cannot ping anything past the CPE. CCQ 100%

Steve Barnes
Executive Manager
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Cameron Kilton
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:48 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

Yeah, but he said he was plugged directly to the jbox so the router
issue should be out of the mix.

Can you ping the AP from the CPE when this dropout happens? 

How is the CCQ on the effected clients? 

Is it possible to turn down the modulation a bit to see if that cleans
it up? 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first 
guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having 
issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have a odd issue(as always). 
>
> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> are Tranzeo TR19
>
> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
to
> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
the
> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
soon
> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
to
> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
the
> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>
> HELP
>
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> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Josh Luthman]

When I read "However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an
intermittent time period several times an hour." I believe he was referring
from the CPE radio to his office PC/core.

RB411 is meant for a CPE device.  RB433 is meant for an AP.

If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an excellent
choice.  Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of expansion
is expected or not.  The cost of replacing the router in the middle of
deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433 and
RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory).

You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a wise
choice!

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first
> guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having
> issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.
>
> Sam Tetherow
> Sandhills Wireless
>
> Steve Barnes wrote:
> > I have a odd issue(as always).
> >
> > First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> > Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> > are Tranzeo TR19
> >
> > Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> > from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client to
> > my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> > hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
> > POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> > what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As soon
> > as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> > connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> > tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> > and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
> > the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When the
> > client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> > control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> > office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> > NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> > tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> > works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> > now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
> >
> > HELP
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> > (765)584-2288
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Cameron Kilton]

Yeah, but he said he was plugged directly to the jbox so the router
issue should be out of the mix.

Can you ping the AP from the CPE when this dropout happens? 

How is the CCQ on the effected clients? 

Is it possible to turn down the modulation a bit to see if that cleans
it up? 

-Cameron

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first 
guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having 
issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have a odd issue(as always). 
>
> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> are Tranzeo TR19
>
> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
to
> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
the
> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
soon
> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
to
> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
the
> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>
> HELP
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

In reply to the RB411.  We changed from a StarOS WAR board that would
not work for our clients VPN and the company that put up my towers
replaced them with a RB411.  I was the Guinea Pig for their Mikrotik AP
setup.  I am a Tranzeo Guy and know little about MT boards been using
StarOS Wrap for years but hard to get now. Is the RB411 a bad decision
if so what should be used?

Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

You may want to look at the status tab of the associated clients on the
AP.
See if there are lost packets or a lot of retransmissions.

Did you really use a RB411 or did you mean another model for the AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a odd issue(as always).
>
> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> are Tranzeo TR19
>
> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client
to
> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to
the
> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As
soon
> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower
to
> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When
the
> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>
> HELP
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Sam Tetherow]

What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first 
guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having 
issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up.

Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless

Steve Barnes wrote:
> I have a odd issue(as always). 
>
> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> are Tranzeo TR19
>
> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client to
> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As soon
> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When the
> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>
> HELP
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Josh Luthman]

You may want to look at the status tab of the associated clients on the AP.
See if there are lost packets or a lot of retransmissions.

Did you really use a RB411 or did you mean another model for the AP?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Steve Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a odd issue(as always).
>
> First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
> Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
> are Tranzeo TR19
>
> Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
> from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client to
> my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
> hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
> POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
> what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As soon
> as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
> connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
> tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
> and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
> the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When the
> client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
> control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
> office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
> NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
> tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
> works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
> now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.
>
> HELP
>
> Steve Barnes
> RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
> (765)584-2288
>
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[WISPA] Mikrotik issues

[Steve Barnes]

I have a odd issue(as always). 

First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients.
Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB?  All CPE's
are Tranzeo TR19

Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue.  Pings
from my office to the CPE NEVER drop.  However, pings from the client to
my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an
hour.  I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the
POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch
what happens,  with a ping running from my laptop to my office.  As soon
as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses
connection.  But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and
tracert stop between the CPE and the tower.  But I am still connected
and have full access to the Tower with winbox.  Pings from the tower to
the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office.  When the
client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take
control of their PC assuming they were clueless.  With VNC from my
office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I
NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a
tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc.  So TCP level still
works.  Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I
now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP.

HELP

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[WISPA] Mikrotik issues with VLANs

[Don Annas]

Recently, we decided to run VLANs off of one of the Mikrotik routers to
provide better port density.  Basically routed vlans to a Cisco 2950 switch
(one VLAN per AP).  To our disappointment, we found that this scenario
yielded packet loss even pinging between a hardwired radio and the Mikrotik.
We assumed that this bust be a bad cable or defective switch so we setup
another in the lab with the same results.

 

Has anyone else used the Mikrotik with VLANs into a Cisco switch. To take it
a step further, if you have time, try pinging a device with a flood ping at
20 ms from the MTIK or the ping ip command from your Cisco switch with about
5,000 36 packets and I suspect you’ll see the same thing.

 

Any suggestions/ideas are appreciated as always :-)

 

- Don


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