RE: [WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle
Charles, What kind of work did they do in the forbearance issues? It's good to have some guns on our side into battles, In many trips to the FCC I've heard the same thing, We -ISP's Wisp's etc,,, Don't show up enough as the LEC's roam the halls of the FCC. Squeaky wheel gets the oil. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle snip You guys haven't been going to enough conferences and listening to very bright people like Kris Twomey try and explain such things to the (W)ISP industry. Shame on that Michael Anderson for putting Kris up in front of an audience to try to keep the WISP industry informed. /snip Thought I'd chime in and add my 2 cents One thing that this WISP / ISP / Operator community lacks is a cohesive and constant voice for wireless in DC (WISPA has done a great job, but guys like Marlon, Rich, Jon and co still have day jobs and families to feed, and we can't rely solely on their volunteer efforts) I would like to take this opportunity to intrtoduce everyone to Michael Hazzard, of Womble, Carlyle, Sandridge Rice (WCSR). WCSR has been quite active in the CLEC / UNE-P / Forebearance battles, and although the outcome of those battles may be a foregone conclusion by now, they are interested in helping on the final front for independents (e.g., broadband wireless). That said, we plan on collaborating together the next several months amongst all affected communities (in this case, WISPs/ISPs are one organization we are interested in working with, but we also plan on working with other types of network operators, including CLECs, Rural Independents, Electrical Coops, Munis, etc) to put together a unified cohesive position on wireless broadband We are currently working on some survey questions, and will probably be contacting everyone shortly to ask some of these questions (so please don't blacklist me =) -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle
snip You guys haven't been going to enough conferences and listening to very bright people like Kris Twomey try and explain such things to the (W)ISP industry. Shame on that Michael Anderson for putting Kris up in front of an audience to try to keep the WISP industry informed. /snip Thought I'd chime in and add my 2 cents One thing that this WISP / ISP / Operator community lacks is a cohesive and constant voice for wireless in DC (WISPA has done a great job, but guys like Marlon, Rich, Jon and co still have day jobs and families to feed, and we can't rely solely on their volunteer efforts) I would like to take this opportunity to intrtoduce everyone to Michael Hazzard, of Womble, Carlyle, Sandridge Rice (WCSR). WCSR has been quite active in the CLEC / UNE-P / Forebearance battles, and although the outcome of those battles may be a foregone conclusion by now, they are interested in helping on the final front for independents (e.g., broadband wireless). That said, we plan on collaborating together the next several months amongst all affected communities (in this case, WISPs/ISPs are one organization we are interested in working with, but we also plan on working with other types of network operators, including CLECs, Rural Independents, Electrical Coops, Munis, etc) to put together a unified cohesive position on wireless broadband We are currently working on some survey questions, and will probably be contacting everyone shortly to ask some of these questions (so please don't blacklist me =) -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: verizon fios - Advertising Battle
John: In years previous, the telcos had whittled away at UNE to the point that if they deployed advanced services in the last mile - read fiber, even an inch of it in the neighborhood cable vault (and the rest remained copper), then the telcos didn't have to share. But if there was a copper loop from the home/business to the CO, UNE applied. That was then. But with a recent Federal appeals court ruling, UNE is no more. There is NO legal requirement for telcos to share their copper at ALL. Telcos have PRIVATE agreements to share the copper loop - Verizon just reached one with Covad, but now it's ENTIRELY at the OPTION of the telcos. For you that are working with telcos, usually smaller ones, that don't seem inclined to take advantage of this leverage, count your blessings - they may well be fleeting. The FCC wrangled something of a concession that the telcos wouldn't make major changes in existing UNE arrangements until June 2006. But after June, the gloves are completely off. A lot of ISP business models will be completely wrecked. You guys haven't been going to enough conferences and listening to very bright people like Kris Twomey try and explain such things to the (W)ISP industry. Shame on that Michael Anderson for putting Kris up in front of an audience to try to keep the WISP industry informed. Thanks, Steve On Dec 28, 2005, at 06:54, John Scrivner wrote: Can you explain this statement for me? Excuse my lack of knowledge here. What are you referring to as a MSA? Also let us hear a little more detail about this statement please. I thought if the service drop was used to deliver phone service that the telco had to allow UNE access to the line. This has changed? I knew it had gone away in terms of access to advanced broadband facilities like DSLAMs and such but I thought the RBOCs still had to give up access to subscriber lines regardless of the media? Please elaborate. Thank you, Scriv --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.stevestroh.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
