Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
Wouldn't it be great if there was something resembling consistent policies regarding facilities? Years ago, there was the suggestion that phone companies should be broken into 2 pieces, facilities and services. The facilities unit could sell access to the copper/fiber/cable to *any* buyer. You would have some limitations, but you would be able to freely get access to the middle/last mile. Here in the East San Francisco Bay Area, I know of the following San Ramon CA, Bishop Ranch- Time Warner has fiber at our CURB, and offers 5 Meg business grade access for $700 per month, ut Bishop Ranch won't allow Time Warner in the MPOE to pull the Glass. The fact that ATT is a few blocks away has nothing to do with it, I am sure... :-( Danville CA, customer wants Comcast Business grade Internet access. Comcast's services stop across the street from his building. Comcast wants $10,000 to go across the street. That is the same $10,000 they have wanted for better than 10 years. Walnut Creek CA, Astound pulled fiber to a clients site and gave them 5 Meg access for $700 per month. Fiber Internet Center will do 5 meg burstable to 10 meg for $1595-1695 per month through most of Northern California, and they bring the trucks and pull the fiber. They once quoted me at $7000/ month for 100 Meg over glass. I realize that it costs some pretty big $ to get glass in the ground, but why is the pricing all over the board? If there were someone that didn't need a 1 year ROI, they could be out building out fiber, and making a lot of money, but it would take 5 - 10 years to see the big $. John Matt Liotta wrote: > I don't think this is good. The last time it was tried we got a bunch of > unsustainable business models along with increasing gamesmanship from the > ILECs. Besides, the RBOCs are looking for reasons to shutdown their wireline > operations anyway. This will only speed that up. > > I think we need smarter policy to increase competition. How about fair and > reasonable real estate access? WISPA should be all over that one. I know > every business WISP has run into an unreasonable landlord. I also sure plenty > of residential WISPs have had their share of landlord problems. > > -Matt > > On Feb 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > > >> < >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss >> > >> >> Could be good? >> >> Scottie >> >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as >> $30.00/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
I actually have a tape of that statement from the Cable Show in Washington last spring where it was being recommended as sound strategy to cable companies. Chuck On Feb 16, 2010, at 5:07 PM, David Hulsebus wrote: > Not sure it would be good, maybe. > > It made me think of a post last year where the president of a cable > company discussed providing middle mile to their competitors. I > paraphrase "We know who is growing, and who is not; we know what and > where their need is, and when we want to we can cut them off". > > I'm not sure I want to buy from my direct competition. > > Dave Hulsebus > > Scottie Arnett wrote: >> < >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss >> > >> >> Could be good? >> >> Scottie >> >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as >> $30.00/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 "When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee?" >From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
Our direct competitor is buying from us. Fiber, build it and they will come. -Paul David Hulsebus wrote: > Not sure it would be good, maybe. > > It made me think of a post last year where the president of a cable > company discussed providing middle mile to their competitors. I > paraphrase "We know who is growing, and who is not; we know what and > where their need is, and when we want to we can cut them off". > > I'm not sure I want to buy from my direct competition. > > Dave Hulsebus > > Scottie Arnett wrote: > >> < >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss >> > >> >> Could be good? >> >> Scottie >> >> Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as >> $30.00/mth. >> Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
Not sure it would be good, maybe. It made me think of a post last year where the president of a cable company discussed providing middle mile to their competitors. I paraphrase "We know who is growing, and who is not; we know what and where their need is, and when we want to we can cut them off". I'm not sure I want to buy from my direct competition. Dave Hulsebus Scottie Arnett wrote: > < > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss > > > > Could be good? > > Scottie > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
If they half ass do it like they did the last time it will be good until the RBOCs start exploiting loopholes and bribing the lawmakers with their lobbying power. Richey -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:39 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell I don't think this is good. The last time it was tried we got a bunch of unsustainable business models along with increasing gamesmanship from the ILECs. Besides, the RBOCs are looking for reasons to shutdown their wireline operations anyway. This will only speed that up. I think we need smarter policy to increase competition. How about fair and reasonable real estate access? WISPA should be all over that one. I know every business WISP has run into an unreasonable landlord. I also sure plenty of residential WISPs have had their share of landlord problems. -Matt On Feb 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadban d-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss > > > Could be good? > > Scottie > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
I don't think this is good. The last time it was tried we got a bunch of unsustainable business models along with increasing gamesmanship from the ILECs. Besides, the RBOCs are looking for reasons to shutdown their wireline operations anyway. This will only speed that up. I think we need smarter policy to increase competition. How about fair and reasonable real estate access? WISPA should be all over that one. I know every business WISP has run into an unreasonable landlord. I also sure plenty of residential WISPs have had their share of landlord problems. -Matt On Feb 16, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > < > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss > > > > Could be good? > > Scottie > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
Could be good unless you are in the fiber business. I saw another interesting article on your link: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/fcc-wants-260-million-people-on-100mbps-broadband-by-2020.ars On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: > < > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss > > > > Could be good? > > Scottie > > Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. > Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Regulators may drop broadband line-sharing bombshell
< http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/02/regulators-may-drop-broadband-line-sharing-bombshell.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss > Could be good? Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
