[WISPA] State Education Networks?
The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
In WA state the K-20 is strictly telco. (Verizon & Qwest). The WA-K-20 is pretty much a gold standard as far as educational networks goes. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Owen wrote: > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles > services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to > provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational > network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate "political fix" may already be "in" but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial "bottom line" to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services > to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to > provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational > network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Kevin - same network/bid conflict? http://www.newwest.net/city/article/syringa_sues_over_idaho_education_network_contract/C108/L108/ Syringa Sues Over Idaho Education Network Contract *Company awarded part of the IEN contract says its bid was better in the first place, and it's being shut out of the project. * On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > Kevin, > > It sounds like the large corporate "political fix" may already be "in" > but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with > some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to > hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial "bottom > line" to get the public's attention. > > Good luck, > > jack > > Kevin Owen wrote: > > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles > services to the schools? > > > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, > however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given > the opportunity to even bid on the service. > > > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states > to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kevin > > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > -- > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing > Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since > 1993 > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Not so in Illinois, which proclaims itself to be, "the largest and most successful state network of its kind in the nation." They have a form to apply with and I am in the process now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kevin Owen" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational > Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last > miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told > we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, > the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states > to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
In California, the educational institutions formed an organization called The Corporation for Education Network Initiatives in California (CENIC) http://www.cenic.org/. CENIC designed, built and operates a fiber network that connects to public and private K-20 institutions. They claim that the cost to connect to their network is 50% of comparable commercial networks. Tim > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kevin Owen > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of > you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational > Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last > miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, > however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not > given the opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local > ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are > simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical > reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those > technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the > millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other > states to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Yes, we provided service to some WA schools many years ago when K-20 was formed. We still do some redundant service for schools. The difference is way back when K-20 came along, local ISP's really didn't have much of an ability to compete. Wireless was new and slow. It was hard to even compete with T-1's. That isn't the case now. We can provide more bandwidth, cheaper than the ILEC's can. It really just seems to be political. I am looking for a way to show the Legislators that other states have figured a way to work with the local providers. I heard the WA K-20 network was beginning to struggle. The Telcos haven't kept up with the bandwidth demand and again, local ISP's are able to deliver more bandwidth, cheaper. Are you seeing this in your market? By the way, where are you providing service? thanks for the reply. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? In WA state the K-20 is strictly telco. (Verizon & Qwest). The WA-K-20 is pretty much a gold standard as far as educational networks goes. ryan On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Owen wrote: > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles > services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to > provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational > network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Hi Jack, Oh ya, the fix is in to be sure. I watered down the information to try and be brief and to the point. We have been fighting for a while and the standard seems to be constantly shifting. We, myself and other local ISP's, were just at the State Capitol yesterday in front of the Legislators and Administration to have a discussion. Today it was announced they were going to hold off on a decision to continue moving the budget forward until they can gather a bit more information. If you are interested, here is the newest of a growing number of articles about the situation. http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/03/11/1114092/idaho-agency-budget-delayed-amid.html Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate "political fix" may already be "in" but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial "bottom line" to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services > to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to > provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational > network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Yes, that is the one. Syringa has a beef with the contract in general, mine is more about the last mile portion. I am very supportive of Syringa's position as well. They have long said they would work with the local providers to help put the network together. It is going to be very interesting to see what comes in the next week or so. If we could show the Legislators other States that have worked with local providers it would be very helpful. I guess either that, or other States where they didn't and the project did not deliver on its promises. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Kevin - same network/bid conflict? http://www.newwest.net/city/article/syringa_sues_over_idaho_education_network_contract/C108/L108/ Syringa Sues Over Idaho Education Network Contract *Company awarded part of the IEN contract says its bid was better in the first place, and it's being shut out of the project. * On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Jack Unger wrote: > Kevin, > > It sounds like the large corporate "political fix" may already be "in" > but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with > some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to > hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial "bottom > line" to get the public's attention. > > Good luck, > > jack > > Kevin Owen wrote: > > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles > services to the schools? > > > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, > however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given > the opportunity to even bid on the service. > > > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states > to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kevin > > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > -- > Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. > Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing > Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since > 1993 > www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com > If you are not a WISPA Member - What are you waiting for? > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Interesting, do you have a link to any information about the State Ed network? Sounds like one I should chase down. Are you a CLEC or any other such entity or like me, a WISP that has built their business by providing quality service to rural parts of the State? Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Not so in Illinois, which proclaims itself to be, "the largest and most successful state network of its kind in the nation." They have a form to apply with and I am in the process now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kevin Owen" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational > Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last > miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told > we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, > the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states > to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Have you ever been able to compare your pricing to that of their "commercial network"? My pricing is easily 50% of Qwest's inflated pricing. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:08 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? In California, the educational institutions formed an organization called The Corporation for Education Network Initiatives in California (CENIC) http://www.cenic.org/. CENIC designed, built and operates a fiber network that connects to public and private K-20 institutions. They claim that the cost to connect to their network is 50% of comparable commercial networks. Tim > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kevin Owen > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of > you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational > Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last > miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, > however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not > given the opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local > ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are > simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical > reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those > technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the > millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other > states to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > --- > - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > - > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Kevin, Thanks for that link. It looks like you are being heard. I would say "keep it up" - keep meeting with those legislators. Meeting with local reporters and emphasizing the cost (and cost-savings) angle should be a powerful argument in your favor. jack Kevin Owen wrote: Hi Jack, Oh ya, the fix is in to be sure. I watered down the information to try and be brief and to the point. We have been fighting for a while and the standard seems to be constantly shifting. We, myself and other local ISP's, were just at the State Capitol yesterday in front of the Legislators and Administration to have a discussion. Today it was announced they were going to hold off on a decision to continue moving the budget forward until they can gather a bit more information. If you are interested, here is the newest of a growing number of articles about the situation. http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/03/11/1114092/idaho-agency-budget-delayed-amid.html Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? Kevin, It sounds like the large corporate "political fix" may already be "in" but in politics nothing is ever final. I'd suggest getting together with some other local and regional ISPs and using publicity (responsibly) to hold the State's feet to the fire. You can use the financial "bottom line" to get the public's attention. Good luck, jack Kevin Owen wrote: The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
www.illinois.net I am just a regular rural WISP, nothing fancy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Kevin Owen" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:26 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > Interesting, do you have a link to any information about the State Ed > network? Sounds like one I should chase down. > > Are you a CLEC or any other such entity or like me, a WISP that has built > their business by providing quality service to rural parts of the State? > > Kevin > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:52 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > > Not so in Illinois, which proclaims itself to be, "the largest and most > successful state network of its kind in the nation." They have a form to > apply with and I am in the process now. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > ------ > From: "Kevin Owen" > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:17 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > >> The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a >> Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of >> you >> are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational >> Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last >> miles services to the schools? >> >> Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, >> however, >> now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the >> opportunity to even bid on the service. >> >> Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's >> could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told >> we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, >> the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The >> difference in cost per year is in the millions. >> >> Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states >> to provide a quality and cost effective network. >> >> So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide >> educational network? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> First Step Internet, LLC >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
What does your local congressman have to say about this? marlon - Original Message - From: "Kevin Owen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational > Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last > miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told > we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, > the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states > to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Marlon, I assume you are asking that question of me. While I can't speak for my State representatives, they have been very engaged in the discussion and are asking some difficult questions of the State Admin / IT. It isn't yet clear what if anything can be done about this now, but it appears the ongoing funding for the project may be in jeopardy. Lots of heated discussions seem to be occurring at the State Capitol over this issue. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? What does your local congressman have to say about this? marlon - Original Message - From: "Kevin Owen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational > Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last > miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told > we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, > the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states > to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
I had the chance to befriend a high-school IT guy (Quite stellar IT guy too), and I learned a lot from the processes there. The education system in CA will historically go for Wired/Fiber based plants. Usually due to FUD, about security, reliability, blah blah blah. I hope you can get them to change their mind, especially considering the price difference. Their big hang up may be a political opponent who may respond to any 'public' network problems as: "You see, you get what you pay for, you were cheap and tried (gasp) wireless!" Out here in California, most is T1s/fiber direct into local network hubs those are usually school districts-HQs (smaller loops that way), then those link up to a bigger regional hub, and finally to the main hub; access to the internet originates from a single point for the whole network (afaik, I only know so-cal education nets). They do this so they can implement district wide/state wide filtering, management, etc,. -Israel Kevin Owen wrote: > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you > are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network > and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services > to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, > now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the > opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's > could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we > are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the > State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The > difference in cost per year is in the millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to > provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational > network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
As it should be. Someone needs to check out the kind of house the IT guy lives in and what kind of car he has :-). Something here stinks to high heaven. Perhaps the telco hired a hooker for him and has pictures? grin Things that go down like this always make my blood boil. The SOB's sure wouldn't do what they are doing if it were THEIR money that was being spent! jerks Keep up the pressure Kevin. And do like I do. Forget about the government jobs as much as possible. Things rarely rely on a level playing field. There is clearly a LOT of corruption or ineptitude at work. I love my small businesses and home users. They can be more work than I like, but they are normally very loyal. good luck marlon - Original Message - From: "Kevin Owen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > Marlon, > > I assume you are asking that question of me. While I can't speak for my > State representatives, they have been very engaged in the discussion and > are asking some difficult questions of the State Admin / IT. It isn't yet > clear what if anything can be done about this now, but it appears the > ongoing funding for the project may be in jeopardy. > > Lots of heated discussions seem to be occurring at the State Capitol over > this issue. > > Kevin > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:19 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > > What does your local congressman have to say about this? > marlon > > - Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Owen" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:17 PM > Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > > >> The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a >> Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of >> you >> are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational >> Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last >> miles services to the schools? >> >> Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, >> however, >> now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the >> opportunity to even bid on the service. >> >> Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's >> could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told >> we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, >> the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The >> difference in cost per year is in the millions. >> >> Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states >> to provide a quality and cost effective network. >> >> So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide >> educational network? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> First Step Internet, LLC >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
We don't, but were involved in the most recent in Maine. Back quite a while ago, when the network was first built, the BELL LEC (I don't rember what name they went by that year), was fined $20 million for overcharging rate payers. Instead of paying the fine, they suggested the state should have an educational network to link the schools together with Internet and so forth. Wonder of wonders, they received the whole project when it went to bid and built that instead of paying the fine. This allowed the LEC to build a Frame Relay and ATM network all over the state; sort of dead tech from the beginning. After the ongoing costs had exhausted the value of the fine some years later, we got a new charge on our phone bills to cover ongoing operations of the network. The schools have been using 56k leased lines, T1s, bonded T1s, and if they pay a bunch extra, ATM links. ISPs could provide the services, but would only get about $50/mo per location to serve a school/library, far less than the wholesale cost of what was installed by the LEC. Lots of people grumbled about this for a long time. Fast forward to present. They put out a new RFP for a new network based on ethernet speeds and IP: http://www.maine.edu/strategic/upcoming_bids-list.php?id=10 Incumbents, CLECs, Cable, and various ISPs participated in the process. The variety of parties at the required RFP meeting and email discussion was a who's who meeting of the minds which I'm sure sharpened the proposals a bit. The cable company won the bid for the uplink. The links to the schools and libraries were awarded to combination of a major Maine CLEC, the Bell LEC, and the cable company. We made a proposal for a portion, but didn't get picked for our parts of the project. Our participation and submission of a proposal keeps us on the list as a potential vendor if the chosen vendor is unable to do everything on their list of sites, or if a school or library needs a legitimate upgrade that the chosen vendor can not provide in a timely and affordable means. As a business I was a little dissapointed not to be among the chosen because of the hard work involved in preparing a proposal. As a business and individual tax payer, I was very pleased this costly and important project is now going to be operated in a more competitive manner. It will cost less than the old network and be a whole lost faster and more useful because of actual competition between broadband technologies and facilities owners. It should be more reliable too. There were times in the past when most of the network went down because of a central LEC problem. The new network I suspect will be more resilient like the Internet operates. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:17:05PM -0800, Kevin Owen wrote: > The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a > Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of > you are providing service in a State that has built a State > Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any > of the last miles services to the schools? > > Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, > however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not > given the opportunity to even bid on the service. > > Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local > ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are > simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical > reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those > technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the > millions. > > Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other > states to provide a quality and cost effective network. > > So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide > educational network? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > First Step Internet, LLC > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
In Indiana it's even more interesting. The state bid out control of the state networks years ago and a Tennessee Company ENA.com won and now controls all the public school network funding. We have 5 School corp.'s in the county and I have networks towers within a mile from each. But since I am not a telco or supply a fiber line they get each of the school's 2-5 T1's from Verizon @ $485/ T1. I offered a 10meg connection to each interconnecting all the schools and I cant even get a call back from ENA. Talking to the local schools just gets a phone number to call ENA. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
Funny thing, ENA is the company out here that is partnered with Qwest to provide the "management" and ERATE funding applications. They are getting a fixed $1,047/school/month for their services. That is going to total ~$1.5million/year for management. Unbelievable. I think Qwest and ENA are partnering up all over the country to provide this sort of service. It should be criminal the amount of money that is being charged to ERATE and the tax payers when other more competitive options are available. They get away with the overcharging to ERATE by writing an RFP that only Qwest and ENA can win and then the schools are protected from the typical competitive bidding for the ERATE jobs. Perhaps we should write and file formal complaints with the FCC concerning the overcharging for services. Kevin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 8:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? In Indiana it's even more interesting. The state bid out control of the state networks years ago and a Tennessee Company ENA.com won and now controls all the public school network funding. We have 5 School corp.'s in the county and I have networks towers within a mile from each. But since I am not a telco or supply a fiber line they get each of the school's 2-5 T1's from Verizon @ $485/ T1. I offered a 10meg connection to each interconnecting all the schools and I cant even get a call back from ENA. Talking to the local schools just gets a phone number to call ENA. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Owen Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] State Education Networks? The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of building a Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any of you are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational Network and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles services to the schools? Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, however, now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given the opportunity to even bid on the service. Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local ISP's could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are simply told we are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, however, the State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The difference in cost per year is in the millions. Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other states to provide a quality and cost effective network. So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide educational network? Thanks, Kevin First Step Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks?
I am seeing requests for PtP connections to connect school buildings together. (usually the K20 only connects the district to the net, not each school). I replaced a 128kbps fractional T1 from Verizon with a 3mbps PtP connection for the same price. The school here loves me.. and by working with them I was able to talk them out of a 3W amped 2.4Ghz PtP connections between 3 schools in my service area. The distance covered would have been less than 3 blocks for each of the links. I sold them 5.8Ghz connections that were very quiet and efficient.. oh, and they did not blow my WISP out of the water with noise! I provide service on the wet side of the cascades. ryan On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Kevin Owen wrote: > Yes, we provided service to some WA schools many years ago when K-20 > was formed. We still do some redundant service for schools. The > difference is way back when K-20 came along, local ISP's really > didn't have much of an ability to compete. Wireless was new and > slow. It was hard to even compete with T-1's. That isn't the case > now. We can provide more bandwidth, cheaper than the ILEC's can. It > really just seems to be political. I am looking for a way to show > the Legislators that other states have figured a way to work with > the local providers. > > I heard the WA K-20 network was beginning to struggle. The Telcos > haven't kept up with the bandwidth demand and again, local ISP's are > able to deliver more bandwidth, cheaper. Are you seeing this in > your market? By the way, where are you providing service? > > thanks for the reply. > > Kevin > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Ryan Spott > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] State Education Networks? > > In WA state the K-20 is strictly telco. (Verizon & Qwest). > > The WA-K-20 is pretty much a gold standard as far as educational > networks > goes. > > ryan > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Kevin Owen wrote: > >> The State I provide service in (Idaho) is in the process of >> building a >> Statewide Educational Network. I am interested in hearing from any >> of you >> are providing service in a State that has built a State Educational >> Network >> and if so, are local providers used to provide any of the last miles >> services to the schools? >> >> Idaho started by saying they would work with the local providers, >> however, >> now they have changed their tune and local providers are not given >> the >> opportunity to even bid on the service. >> >> Qwest is charging at least 3 - 5 times what any of the other local >> ISP's >> could or would charge for the same or more bandwidth. We are >> simply told we >> are not able to provide the service due to technical reasons, >> however, the >> State thus far has not defined what those technical reasons are. The >> difference in cost per year is in the millions. >> >> Our State IT group is also saying this is how it is done in other >> states to >> provide a quality and cost effective network. >> >> So does anybody provide any last mile services to any Statewide >> educational >> network? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> First Step Internet, LLC >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
