Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 



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  Scott Reed 
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  Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:14 
  PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Utility pole mount
  I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of 
  an existing privately owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, 
  etc.? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking 
  Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net The 
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  Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! 
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-29 Thread Jason 

Sure, just my 2 cents.

Bob Moldashel wrote:

Or you could take someone's word for it that has done it probably 40+ 
times without issue


:-)

-B-



Jason wrote:


List,

   As a Mechanical Engineer (non-PE), there are 2 obvious failure 
modes.  First, there is the folding of the mast at the top 
bolt/mount. This is affected by the length of unsupported mast above 
the pole, the ridigity of the mast material, and the size of the hole 
you drill into it to mount it against the pole (so use a mount and 
don't drill a hole through it).  This failure mode is not affected by 
the amount of overlap.  The other failure mode is that the 
bolts/mounts are broken/torn from the pole.  This IS affected by the 
amount of overlap.  As long as your hardware is strong, the most 
likely failure will be the buckling one.  Once the strength of the 
mount setup exceeds the strength that it takes to fold the mast over, 
it will always fail by folding over.  So at this point increasing the 
amount of overlap does nothing.  This is especially true for very 
long, slender masts, and even more true for light gauge aluminum 
tube.  Because there are so many variables, I propose that you do a 
quick test.  Take a piece of your mast material and mount it to a 
section of a power pole, cross tie, tree stump - whatever you think 
is a reasonable model of the final version.  Then try to bend the 
pole over with a come-along, drive your car/tractor over it, jump up 
and down on it - any reasonable contraption that mimics the bending 
effect of the wind.  Don't brace or otherwise touch the mount area of 
the setup to avoid skewing the test.  Also, do this in a direction 
that pulls or pushes the mast away from the pole to stress the mounts 
to the max.  Then you should clearly see what the weak point in your 
system is and have a qualitative idea of what it can handle.  If it 
folds the mast over, your hardware and overlap are probably fine.  
Disclaimer:  I can not be held responsible for your execution of this 
concept/test.  Maybe execution is not a good way to put it...


Jason Wallace





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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-29 Thread Bob Moldashel 
Or you could take someone's word for it that has done it probably 40+ 
times without issue


:-)

-B-



Jason wrote:


List,

   As a Mechanical Engineer (non-PE), there are 2 obvious failure 
modes.  First, there is the folding of the mast at the top bolt/mount. 
This is affected by the length of unsupported mast above the pole, the 
ridigity of the mast material, and the size of the hole you drill into 
it to mount it against the pole (so use a mount and don't drill a hole 
through it).  This failure mode is not affected by the amount of 
overlap.  The other failure mode is that the bolts/mounts are 
broken/torn from the pole.  This IS affected by the amount of 
overlap.  As long as your hardware is strong, the most likely failure 
will be the buckling one.  Once the strength of the mount setup 
exceeds the strength that it takes to fold the mast over, it will 
always fail by folding over.  So at this point increasing the amount 
of overlap does nothing.  This is especially true for very long, 
slender masts, and even more true for light gauge aluminum tube.  
Because there are so many variables, I propose that you do a quick 
test.  Take a piece of your mast material and mount it to a section of 
a power pole, cross tie, tree stump - whatever you think is a 
reasonable model of the final version.  Then try to bend the pole over 
with a come-along, drive your car/tractor over it, jump up and down on 
it - any reasonable contraption that mimics the bending effect of the 
wind.  Don't brace or otherwise touch the mount area of the setup to 
avoid skewing the test.  Also, do this in a direction that pulls or 
pushes the mast away from the pole to stress the mounts to the max.  
Then you should clearly see what the weak point in your system is and 
have a qualitative idea of what it can handle.  If it folds the mast 
over, your hardware and overlap are probably fine.  Disclaimer:  I can 
not be held responsible for your execution of this concept/test.  
Maybe execution is not a good way to put it...


Jason Wallace




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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Jason 

List,

   As a Mechanical Engineer (non-PE), there are 2 obvious failure 
modes.  First, there is the folding of the mast at the top bolt/mount. 
This is affected by the length of unsupported mast above the pole, the 
ridigity of the mast material, and the size of the hole you drill into 
it to mount it against the pole (so use a mount and don't drill a hole 
through it).  This failure mode is not affected by the amount of 
overlap.  The other failure mode is that the bolts/mounts are 
broken/torn from the pole.  This IS affected by the amount of overlap.  
As long as your hardware is strong, the most likely failure will be the 
buckling one.  Once the strength of the mount setup exceeds the strength 
that it takes to fold the mast over, it will always fail by folding 
over.  So at this point increasing the amount of overlap does nothing.  
This is especially true for very long, slender masts, and even more true 
for light gauge aluminum tube.  Because there are so many variables, I 
propose that you do a quick test.  Take a piece of your mast material 
and mount it to a section of a power pole, cross tie, tree stump - 
whatever you think is a reasonable model of the final version.  Then try 
to bend the pole over with a come-along, drive your car/tractor over it, 
jump up and down on it - any reasonable contraption that mimics the 
bending effect of the wind.  Don't brace or otherwise touch the mount 
area of the setup to avoid skewing the test.  Also, do this in a 
direction that pulls or pushes the mast away from the pole to stress the 
mounts to the max.  Then you should clearly see what the weak point in 
your system is and have a qualitative idea of what it can handle.  If it 
folds the mast over, your hardware and overlap are probably fine.  
Disclaimer:  I can not be held responsible for your execution of this 
concept/test.  Maybe execution is not a good way to put it...


Jason Wallace

Scott Reed wrote:


Yep, found that mount.  Couple bucks less and Electro-Comm, too.
I am looking at Schedule 40 steel pipe, 21' from a local guy.  Almost 
$100.  Where do you find aluminum, and about how much for 20'?


Scott Reed
Owner
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Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, 
because

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From: Bob Moldashel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:51:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

> Scott Reed wrote:
>
> > I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would
> > have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better.
> >
> > Scott Reed
> > Owner
> > NewWays
> > Wireless Networking
> > Network Design, Installation and Administration
> > www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/> <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
> >
>
> Ahhh...No.  2' is not enough.  My rule of thumb is 15-20%.
>
> I know the discussion is on pole mounts..Here is my suggestion.
>
> First you need a mount:  
> 
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=15433&eventPage=1 
<http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=15433&eventPage=1> 


>
> Then you can get a length of thick wall aluminum pipe 2" x  ?   This
> comes in 20', 24' and 40' lengths here.
>
> Mount and smile.  Ready to go.   About $ 225 total... Real 
mounting...No

> game playing.  No "making it work".
>
> -B-
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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Scott Reed 




Yep, found that mount.  Couple bucks less and Electro-Comm, too.
I am looking at Schedule 40 steel pipe, 21' from a local guy.  Almost $100.  Where do you find aluminum, and about how much for 20'?

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 


 

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because 


Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will 
believe!

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From: Bob Moldashel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: WISPA General List  


Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:51:26 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 



> Scott Reed wrote: 
> 
> 

> I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I 
would  
> 

> have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. 

> 

> 
> 

> Scott Reed 
> 

> Owner 
> 

> NewWays 
> 

> Wireless Networking 
> 

> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

> www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/> 

> 

> 
> 
> 

Ahhh...No.  2' is not enough.  My rule of thumb is 15-20%. 
> 

> 

I know the discussion is on pole mounts..Here is my suggestion. 
> 

> 

First you need a mount:    
> 

http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=15433&eventPage=1 

> 
> 

Then you can get a length of thick wall aluminum pipe 2" x  ?   
This  
> 

comes in 20', 24' and 40' lengths here. 
> 
> 

Mount and smile.  Ready to go.   About $ 225 total... Real 
mounting...No  
> 

game playing.  No "making it work". 
> 
> 

-B- 
> 
> 

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> 

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> 

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> 

1350 Lincoln Avenue 
> 

Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 
> 

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> 

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> 

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> 
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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Bob Moldashel 

Scott Reed wrote:

I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would 
have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net 




Ahhh...No.  2' is not enough.  My rule of thumb is 15-20%.

I know the discussion is on pole mounts..Here is my suggestion.

First you need a mount:   
http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=15433&eventPage=1


Then you can get a length of thick wall aluminum pipe 2" x  ?   This 
comes in 20', 24' and 40' lengths here.


Mount and smile.  Ready to go.   About $ 225 total... Real mounting...No 
game playing.  No "making it work".


-B-

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Broadband Deployment Group
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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Brian Rohrbacher 




I have used 2 inch pipe before.  Got it in a 20ft section.  No welding
or couplers.

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  
  I am looking at using 2" industrial tubing or 2" rigid
conduit.  1" just wouldn't do and I am leery of 1-1/2 being enough as
well.
  
  
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Network Design, Installation and Administration 
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because 
Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe!
  
  
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From: "Tom Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:43:27 -0500 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 
  
> I like the idea, but not the material. I ran into the same type of
issue at 
> my house. I have a 50' Pi-Rod Solid rod free standing tower, but
needed to 
> be at about 65'. I took 2 10' 1" ID sections of galvanized water
pipe, 
> screwed them together and had them arc welded. It was a heavy
beast to get 
> up the tower and mounted, but it got the job done. I hate to see
mast pipe 
> sway in the wind and did not have room to guy wire it. Bigger is
always 
> better in all the things I build! 
> 
> Tom 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:13 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 
> 
> I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I
would have 
> expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. 
> 
> Scott Reed 
> Owner 
> NewWays 
> Wireless Networking 
> Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> www.nwwnet.net
  
> 
> The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but
Christmas, because 
> Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! 
> 
> ------ Original Message --- 
> From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: WISPA General List  
> Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:58:02 -0500 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 
> 
> > I have used 2 10 ft masts plugged together to make a 20 ft...
  Then,  
1/2 
> > inch threaded rod and commercial pipe hangers.  bore a hole
thru the pole 
> > 1 ft from the top.  another hole 2 ft down from that.  use a
threaded rod 
> > in each hole with a pipe hanger and large washer on one end
and a large 
> > washer and nut on the other.  Put your mast in the pipe
hangers and adjust 
> > as needed. 
> > 
> > Scott Reed wrote: 
>  I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an existing
privately 
> owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, etc.? 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Scott Reed 




I am looking at using 2" industrial tubing or 2" rigid conduit.  1" just wouldn't do and I am leery of 1-1/2 being enough as well.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 


 

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because 


Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will 
believe!

-- Original Message 
---

From: "Tom Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: "WISPA General List"  


Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 12:43:27 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 



> I like the idea, but not the material. I ran into the same type of 
issue at  
> 

my house. I have a 50' Pi-Rod Solid rod free standing tower, but needed to  

> 

be at about 65'. I took 2 10' 1" ID sections of galvanized water pipe,  

> 

screwed them together and had them arc welded. It was a heavy beast to get  

> 

up the tower and mounted, but it got the job done. I hate to see mast pipe  

> 

sway in the wind and did not have room to guy wire it. Bigger is always  

> 

better in all the things I build! 
> 
> 

Tom 
> 
> 

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> 

From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
 
> 

Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:13 
> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 
> 
> 

I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would 
have  
> 

expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better. 
> 
> 

Scott Reed 
> 

Owner 
> 

NewWays 
> 

Wireless Networking 
> 

Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

www.nwwnet.net 
> 

> 

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because 

> 

Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! 
> 
> 

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> 

From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 

To: WISPA General List  
> 

Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:58:02 -0500 
> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 
> 
> 

> I have used 2 10 ft masts plugged together to make a 20 ft...   Then,  
1/2  
> 

> inch threaded rod and commercial pipe hangers.  bore a hole thru the 
pole  
> 

> 1 ft from the top.  another hole 2 ft down from that.  use a 
threaded rod  
> 

> in each hole with a pipe hanger and large washer on one end and a large  

> 

> washer and nut on the other.  Put your mast in the pipe hangers and 
adjust  
> 

> as needed. 
> 

> 
> 

> Scott Reed wrote: 
> 

  I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an existing privately  

> 

owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, etc.?  
> 
> 

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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Tom Andrews 
I like the idea, but not the material. I ran into the same type of issue at 
my house. I have a 50' Pi-Rod Solid rod free standing tower, but needed to 
be at about 65'. I took 2 10' 1" ID sections of galvanized water pipe, 
screwed them together and had them arc welded. It was a heavy beast to get 
up the tower and mounted, but it got the job done. I hate to see mast pipe 
sway in the wind and did not have room to guy wire it. Bigger is always 
better in all the things I build!


Tom

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:13
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount


I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would have 
expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better.


Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because
Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe!

-- Original Message --- 
From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:58:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

I have used 2 10 ft masts plugged together to make a 20 ft...   Then,  1/2 
inch threaded rod and commercial pipe hangers.  bore a hole thru the pole 
1 ft from the top.  another hole 2 ft down from that.  use a threaded rod 
in each hole with a pipe hanger and large washer on one end and a large 
washer and nut on the other.  Put your mast in the pipe hangers and adjust 
as needed.


Scott Reed wrote:
 I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an existing privately 
owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, etc.? 



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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Scott Reed 




I like that.  Is 2 ft enough space to hold the other 18 ft?  I would have expected 3ft or more, but the more pipe in the air the better.

Scott Reed 


Owner 


NewWays 


Wireless Networking 


Network Design, Installation and Administration 


www.nwwnet.net 


 

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, because 


Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will 
believe!

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From: Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


To: WISPA General List  


Sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 09:58:02 -0500 


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount 



> 

I have used 2 10 ft masts plugged together to make a 20 ft...   Then, 

1/2 inch threaded rod and commercial pipe hangers.  bore a hole 
thru
the pole 1 ft from the top.  another hole 2 ft down from that.  use 
a
threaded rod in each hole with a pipe hanger and large washer on 
one
end and a large washer and nut on the other.  Put your mast in the 
pipe
hangers and adjust as needed.
> 
> 

Scott Reed 
wrote:

  

  

  I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of 
an
existing privately owned utility pole. Any suggestions on 
bracket,
mast, 
etc.?
  
> 
> 

Scott Reed 
> 

Owner 
> 

NewWays 
> 

Wireless Networking 
> 

Network Design, Installation and Administration 
> 

  www.nwwnet.net 
> 

> 

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but 
Christmas,
because 
> 

Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will 
believe!
  
> 

  

  


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Re: [WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-28 Thread Blair Davis 




I have used 2 10 ft masts plugged together to make a 20 ft...   Then, 
1/2 inch threaded rod and commercial pipe hangers.  bore a hole thru
the pole 1 ft from the top.  another hole 2 ft down from that.  use a
threaded rod in each hole with a pipe hanger and large washer on one
end and a large washer and nut on the other.  Put your mast in the pipe
hangers and adjust as needed.

Scott Reed wrote:

  
  
  I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an
existing privately owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket,
mast, etc.?
  
  
Scott Reed 
Owner 
NewWays 
Wireless Networking 
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[WISPA] Utility pole mount

2005-12-27 Thread Scott Reed 




I need to mount a 24dB grid 15' above the top of an existing privately owned utility pole. Any suggestions on bracket, mast, etc.?

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