Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
The requirement is for cost to come down. When the cost comes down to the level that we can build the adequate redundancy into our design, it will be a reality to compete. My hope is that GB wireless will get here when it is needed to compete for the market share before FOIS gets it first. Getting market share after the fact is difficult and costly. Travis's point on reliabilty is a good point. Tripple play is going to be the future competitor, and to offer tripple play reliabilty gets WAY more important. Homebrew backyard designed networks are going to become a thing of the past. The industry got away with it with Broadband alone, but tripple play is a new animal. The problem we have is that we can't leverage existing inplace infrastructure like the Telcos and Cable companies. They already have inbound revenue to pay the cost of the infrastructure in place. For them the tripple play is just a slight redesign, and they economies of scale to pay for their migrations and upgrades, and most importantly to use as calateral for their expansion loans. For new player in the WISP world, we don't have that advantage. If we add a radio every mile along a road, we eat the cost of the UPS and electricity every mile down the road as well. Thats hard to eat, when we have to pay cash for it all upfront. So financing/investment sources are going to have to become more easy obtainable to fund the growth. One of the things I liked about GigaBeam was their model to finance the gear through the manufacturer. It takes that limitation out of the equation. OF course if gear ever gets sub $2000, financing will be less of an issue. It will be interesting to see how things develop. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I am not going to debate what the ultimate broadband system architecture is too long because there really is no perfect solution. There are way too many ways of doing things for us to debate it too much. I used to be in the Cable Television industry. In my 10 years in that business I saw several different architectures used to deploy cable television networks. What I am proposing here is no more or less capable of being a solid delivery platform than these other designs I saw in the past. It is simply different. There are more points of failure in what I am proposing than there is in direct fiber runs. That does not mean it is a bad solution. It simply means there are more possible points of failure. The impact of this factor can be minimized if proper design methods are employed. There is no mention here of how deep a cascade would go for these nodes of millimeter wave. We could all get into the specifics of node count, power backup, loop architecture, etc. but the long and short of it is this. If radios are designed and built with low cost, low incidence of failure and cascade counts are kept to a minimum then a very acceptable and practical design can be built in a cost effective way to deliver a triple play solution. The ability to deploy an entire community-wide network with this design in a timely fashion is probably the most attractive factor in this proposed design. I am reasonably certain that a well trained crew could setup an entire small town in just a few days. I really believe that in time you will see millimeter wave radios used as a way of delivering high bandwidth for multiple service offerings in WISP operations. Is it the broadband architecture? I doubt it. I also doubt there is a perfect architecture out there. Regardless I am certain what I am proposing is very capable of being an effective platform for triple play deployment. Until there are low-cost reliable CMOS based millimeter wave radios this discussion is academic. Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: John, I believe there is such a thing coming, and that it may fit in some applications. But I can't see carrying data, VoIP and TVIP across a wireless backbone that is all fed from the radio next to it. Unless you are going to run a complete mesh type network (which would be hard with radios that only reach a few hundred feet), then each radio is dependant on the upstream radio. So to go around a neighborhood with 100 homes, you could be talking 20-30 radios, plus the WiMAX or Wifi access points, etc. You've heard the 12 days of Christmas song that says One light goes out they all go out, right? :) We currently have a fully looped fiber ring around our city. We currently have about 50 customer drops, and we run Cisco switches with Spanning-Tree at 1gbps speeds. Even at this level, there are still problems. Fiber outages, switches that fail, long term power outages (8+ hours) at customer locations
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects you :) Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive. My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear. Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do so without delay from landlords. Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Right. Unless there's a technology upgrade soon in the 2 / 5 gig areas, we're going to need something else to compete... I have a 20 meg feed right now, and it's about 1.5 meg average... But to no customers can I deliver more than 10 meg to without a fortune in hardware -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I would pay for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it is delivering 15+Mbps in a PtMP setup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects you :) Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps $179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
I have been saying for YEARS on these lists that you can NOT compete on price... you have to compete on service and customer support. Period. We currently charge $10 per month more than CableOne. They are selling an up to 3meg connection for $29.95. I currently sell a 512k connection for $40 per month (guaranteed 512k 24x7), and we are doing 80-100 installs per month. Most people are going up to the 1meg for $50 per month even. But we offer local support, 10 email accounts, real static IP, a real office they can visit, and we ALWAYS answer the phone with a live person. :) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive. My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear. Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do so without delay from landlords. Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Right. Unless there's a technology upgrade soon in the 2 / 5 gig areas, we're going to need something else to compete... I have a 20 meg feed right now, and it's about 1.5 meg average... But to no customers can I deliver more than 10 meg to without a fortune in hardware -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I can get a 100Mbps or 200Mbps feed today at very good pricing (what I would pay for a T1 5 years ago :-)) but the problem I see it is delivering 15+Mbps in a PtMP setup -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) And that's why having them sealed into a contract like Bob believes in protects you :) Won't be long before YOU can get that feed (maybe from another ISP) as well and start feeding it into wireless shtuff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:21 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps $44.95 - $49.95
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
Tom DeReggi wrote: Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install fees because you can, so yoour gear is paid for by the time FIOS does come, and you are in the position to be your most competitive. My view is that it is a time stall situation. Wireless gear is evolving. Its jsut a matter of time before 70 Ghz GB gear can be had for pennies. Maybe not this year, but sooner or later it will. When FIOS is a real threat to Wireless, thats when the GB wireless manufacturers will start to lower their prices, because it is what they'll need to do to sell gear. Make sure your antenna colocation agreements on every sub's building allows for a second antenna, so when you can afford to go GB broadband, you can do so without delay from landlords. Verizon has been advertising FIOS hard in our markets to, but its been over 6 month for some, since advertsied and no FIOS. FIOS is expensive to buildout, and they need a certain number of pre-signed up subscribers to do it. Its hard to convince people to get rif of their satelite and cabled TV. There is security in not being locked down to a signle provider for ALL services. I can see it now, someone gets behind on their phone bill, and all a sudden the TV gets turned off, the broadband gets turned off, and the PHONE. IF you wait until FIOS is installed and then try to compete you won't be able to. The goal is to scoop up the clients before its available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband One more thing to add.Give some value to signing a contract. In other words...make the install price $249 instead of $599 if you sign a 2 year contract. Most judges like to see that the defendants (as I call them) have received some sort of compensation for signing the contract. This gives the contract some real legal worth. And don't let people out of their contract for anything! They signed, they got cheap install. You held up your end of the deal..now they need to hold up theres -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
LOL. Because I still enjoy coming to work each day and I'm making a good living... and I get to do what I want from replacing bad radios on top of 9,000ft mountains to changing out light bulbs (literally)... ;) Of course, there are days that aren't so good Christmas Eve I had to go clean ice off the dish that's at 9,000ft elevation... 5 hours total time and then Christmas Day I got to go replace a failed Intel ethernet switch on a different mountaintop repeater... 6 hours total time... but all in all, it's still a fun job... :) Travis Microserv Bob Moldashel wrote: Travis Johnson wrote: I have been saying for YEARS on these lists that you can NOT compete on price... you have to compete on service and customer support. Period. We currently charge $10 per month more than CableOne. They are selling an up to 3meg connection for $29.95. I currently sell a 512k connection for $40 per month (guaranteed 512k 24x7), and we are doing 80-100 installs per month. Most people are going up to the 1meg for $50 per month even. But we offer local support, 10 email accounts, real static IP, a real office they can visit, and we ALWAYS answer the phone with a live person. :) Travis Microserv -B- --waiting for Travis to retire any day now... :-) Sell that sucker...what are you waiting for -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
And, when they have a problem and the jerk at Verizon support doesn't fix it. There is some value in being able to talk to the owner of a business. There are prople that don't see it I worked for a roofing company, they moved about 8-10 million dollars a year. The owner of the company was approached by Wells Fargo bank. Do you know what hetold Wells Fargo? When the president of Wells Fargo is willing to come over and pick up my daily receipts,then we can talk. You see, the President of the Brentwood bank would occasionally come over and pick up the daily receipts. Granted, the roofing company was probably the biggest client of the bank, but it does show some value John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, most sub's use about 1Mbps to 2Mbps if they very active downloading content (ftp, streaming, and some p2p) (I limit p2p on my system but allow some bursts) other traffic is not limited But when trying to sell a customer will go and say hey I can get 15Mbps from verizon for $50 and only XX from you -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Seriously, how much does a sub use anyway? If you keep control over p2p, how much are they really going to take anyway? Anyone got numbers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although the service is not available yet in my area, it is getting close and reports are it could be available in 2006 - check out this pricing - the 15Mbps for $49.95 a month seems like a really good deal and would be tough to beat, currently I am using Nstream/MT which gives me about 20Mbps to the customer Up to 5 Mbps/2 Mbps $34.95 - $39.95 Up to 15 Mbps/2 Mbps$44.95 - $49.95 Up to 30 Mbps/5 Mbps$179.95 - $199.95 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need)
I am not going to debate what the ultimate broadband system architecture is too long because there really is no perfect solution. There are way too many ways of doing things for us to debate it too much. I used to be in the Cable Television industry. In my 10 years in that business I saw several different architectures used to deploy cable television networks. What I am proposing here is no more or less capable of being a solid delivery platform than these other designs I saw in the past. It is simply different. There are more points of failure in what I am proposing than there is in direct fiber runs. That does not mean it is a bad solution. It simply means there are more possible points of failure. The impact of this factor can be minimized if proper design methods are employed. There is no mention here of how deep a cascade would go for these nodes of millimeter wave. We could all get into the specifics of node count, power backup, loop architecture, etc. but the long and short of it is this. If radios are designed and built with low cost, low incidence of failure and cascade counts are kept to a minimum then a very acceptable and practical design can be built in a cost effective way to deliver a triple play solution. The ability to deploy an entire community-wide network with this design in a timely fashion is probably the most attractive factor in this proposed design. I am reasonably certain that a well trained crew could setup an entire small town in just a few days. I really believe that in time you will see millimeter wave radios used as a way of delivering high bandwidth for multiple service offerings in WISP operations. Is it the broadband architecture? I doubt it. I also doubt there is a perfect architecture out there. Regardless I am certain what I am proposing is very capable of being an effective platform for triple play deployment. Until there are low-cost reliable CMOS based millimeter wave radios this discussion is academic. Scriv Travis Johnson wrote: John, I believe there is such a thing coming, and that it may fit in some applications. But I can't see carrying data, VoIP and TVIP across a wireless backbone that is all fed from the radio next to it. Unless you are going to run a complete mesh type network (which would be hard with radios that only reach a few hundred feet), then each radio is dependant on the upstream radio. So to go around a neighborhood with 100 homes, you could be talking 20-30 radios, plus the WiMAX or Wifi access points, etc. You've heard the 12 days of Christmas song that says One light goes out they all go out, right? :) We currently have a fully looped fiber ring around our city. We currently have about 50 customer drops, and we run Cisco switches with Spanning-Tree at 1gbps speeds. Even at this level, there are still problems. Fiber outages, switches that fail, long term power outages (8+ hours) at customer locations, etc. People can handle the Internet being down for a few minutes or hours, and VoIP a few minutes but TV is an entirely different thing. Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: The day is going to happen in the not so distant future when there will be CMOS based 70 to 90 Ghz radios the size of a pack of smokes. These will only effectively send data about a few hundred feet. These radios will do over 1 Gbps from day one. The idea is to run them back to back from street light pole to pole and have WiMAX, Wifi, 802.11a (insert your favorite client platform radio here) as the client access device to serve a few homes or businesses around the poles.. This gives us a platform for broadband, telephone and cable television all over wireless. This is not a pipe dream. I am about 2 weeks from having my first pole agreement signed. It is going to happen. The 70 Ghz gear is not going to be a long haul solution. It is going to be a real nice high throughput short haul solution to compete for triple play in cities and even smaller towns eventually. I plan to help prove this as a viable broadband platform in my own community. Now I just wish my friends at Intel would hurry up the development of those CMOS radios! They have all the patents and prototypes today. Bring on the GigE through the air! :-) Scriv G.Villarini wrote: Tom, How do you think 70 ghz gear will cost pennies and help us? For a 1 mile ptp link you need 4 ft dishes on each end, I cant imagine this working for us in ptp or ptmp ... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] verizon fios pricing (how much speed do they really need) Bob made a good point regarding contracts. Use the you can serve them today, to your advantage, and lock them in. Charge install
