Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
I had a couple of customers running their cores with 3.0. on x86 platforms though. We did find a weird nat issue, but that was on build 10. On 8/4/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just jokingly said it, but with MT's track record of PR hell... > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 > > > > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: > > > >>And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC > >>compliant... only their board. > > > > No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I > > were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to > > spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. > > > > FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and > > not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. > > > > -- > > Butch Evans > > Network Engineering and Security Consulting > > 573-276-2879 > > http://www.butchevans.com/ > > My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 > > Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf > > Mikrotik Certified Consultant > > http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Dennis Burgess, MCP, CCNA, A+, N+, Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.mikrotikconsulting.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Enterprise Class RouterOS: www.mikrotikrouter.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Chipping in here, To be fair to MT: AFAIK It's harder/more expensive to design 48V-input power supplies (the chips on most boards require some mix of 5.0/3.3/2.5V or other rails) than lower voltages. Of course 48V is desirable by users, because of lower cable loss, enabling longer runs. I had this debate with the MT people some time back, in favour of 48V. It seems there are far more 12-30V chipsets, and easier-to-implemet designs, than at 48V. Also, telco environments always have 48V (36-72 a common spec) But commercial pressures (people only buy high volumes at low price points) probably guided the "28V max non-isolated" decision. Also, relevant point: Some boards out ther have **isolated** input PSUs. The RB532 and 112 for example. However, most boards don't. Well isolation costs money (read: custom-wound transformer, other components) but non-isolated designs are cheaper. Well that depends on your deployments - some environments cope with non-isolated roof/tower-top devices fine - and some don't. Important to consider that. I hope that comment is of help - Regards Stephen Patrick CableFree Solutions -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 August 2007 19:13 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Maybe someone can post the link to the FCC docs showing their certification? Also, you will notice their PoE only supports up to 28VDC now, rather than 48VDC like the RB532. They probably couldn't get the boards to pass FCC at 48V. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: > On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: > >> And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC >> compliant... only their board. > > No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If > I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd > have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. > > FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on > and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
I just jokingly said it, but with MT's track record of PR hell... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Are you finding v3 to be a stable, functioning OS right now? I attempted to load it on a 532 board about two months ago and the board would reboot or lock-up about every 3-5 days. I put 2.9.40 back and it has been up solid since then. I did see about a 10% improvement on the wireless speeds with v3, but it just wasn't stable. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote: The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in theory it should work. I'm not Mikrotik, so I can't confirm this, but it SHOULD work... It's the same chip as the 100 series (150,133,112,etc.). It's a 175 MHz processor. The 333 is listed as running on a PPC chip, which isn't supported by any older version of RouterOS. This is correct. The new routerboards (300, 800 and 1000 series) will only be supported in version 3.x. That's what MT said at the MUM. Didn't the RouterBoard 500s have the same problem at release (where they were only supported by the still-beta RouterOS 2.9 software)? Yep. 2.8.x was never compiled for the MIPS platform. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Maybe someone can post the link to the FCC docs showing their certification? Also, you will notice their PoE only supports up to 28VDC now, rather than 48VDC like the RB532. They probably couldn't get the boards to pass FCC at 48V. Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Travis Johnson wrote: And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. No, but it is a GOOD first step toward creating certified systems. If I were to try to build a certified system on the older boards, I'd have to spend more money, because more tests would have to be run. FWIW, I'm not sure where the idea that they would put the sticker on and not hold the paperwork. That's a bit over the top paranoia. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, David E. Smith wrote: The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in theory it should work. I'm not Mikrotik, so I can't confirm this, but it SHOULD work... It's the same chip as the 100 series (150,133,112,etc.). It's a 175 MHz processor. The 333 is listed as running on a PPC chip, which isn't supported by any older version of RouterOS. This is correct. The new routerboards (300, 800 and 1000 series) will only be supported in version 3.x. That's what MT said at the MUM. Didn't the RouterBoard 500s have the same problem at release (where they were only supported by the still-beta RouterOS 2.9 software)? Yep. 2.8.x was never compiled for the MIPS platform. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
And even if they do, that doesn't make a complete radio system FCC compliant... only their board. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I see them. Not sure if they have the papers to back that up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Did I notice on both of those boards, an FCC compliance and CE logo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 The 192 appears to be the same platform as all other 100 series. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: To quote normis: Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the end of next week! http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 9:57 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
I see them. Not sure if they have the papers to back that up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Did I notice on both of those boards, an FCC compliance and CE logo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 The 192 appears to be the same platform as all other 100 series. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: To quote normis: Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the end of next week! http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 9:57 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Did I notice on both of those boards, an FCC compliance and CE logo? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 The 192 appears to be the same platform as all other 100 series. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 > Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of > the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( > > Travis > Microserv > > Mike Hammett wrote: >> To quote normis: >> >> Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to >> reach distributors at the end of next week! >> http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf >> http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf >> >> For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 9:57 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
The 192 appears to be the same platform as all other 100 series. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333 Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: To quote normis: Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the end of next week! http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Travis Johnson wrote: Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( The 192 (I don't think I've ever needed nine Ethernet ports on one board) is a MIPS chip, the same as the Routerboard 500s, so in theory it should work. I'm not Mikrotik, so I can't confirm this, but it SHOULD work... The 333 is listed as running on a PPC chip, which isn't supported by any older version of RouterOS. Didn't the RouterBoard 500s have the same problem at release (where they were only supported by the still-beta RouterOS 2.9 software)? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT announces RB192 and RB333
Am I correct in reading that both of these new boards will require v3 of the OS? I have yet to see a stable, production worthy v3 release. :( Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: To quote normis: Announcing RB333 and RB192, two new RouterBOARD products beginning to reach distributors at the end of next week! http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb192b.pdf http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb333b.pdf For now, limited availability only, ask for samples at our distributors. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
