Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Third request - Take this discussion to a more appropriate political list. Mark Koskenmaki wrote: 341 billion out of... The government has spent approximately 11,600 billion (some rounding here) from 2002 to now. If all we've spent is 341 billion, that's just under 3%. About the same as the paypal fees on a larger purchase... In the overall scope of our nation's budget, "the war" is not any particularly important issue. With federal expenditures rapidly approaching 3 trillion annually, pretty much funded by the likes of you and me, we really SHOULD pay attention to how the budget is run. It bears no resemblance to how you or I would do it :( +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Umm, how do you pay off debt without raising taxes??? Especially when you are spending like a drunken sailor. Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. The Dems have made it abundantly clear they do not intend to make the tax relief permanent...No FUD about it. Your taxes are going up if the Dems have anything to do with it. Best, Brad -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
So how do you "duck for cover"? Re-incorporate as a foreign owned/based business? Our legislature seems to be fine with allowing the mortgaging of america to foreign entities. If you can somehow become a foreign entity, you can probably avoid all sorts of tax liability. No... I'm not really advocating this method of tax dodge. I'm just frustrated at those that would repeal the tax breaks that have made the small business sector flurish over the two past decades. It has been shown that small businesses account for more new job growth than "big business". So why target us? If you seriously are concerned about tax liability and changes to the tax code, your first step should be to seek out a CPA or Tax Attorney. They can tell you how to take advantage of tax breaks in the code and can tell you when those tax breaks go away (if they have sun-set provisions). The 179 deduction, the estate-tax breaks, the capital-gains tax breaks, and various other incentives to invest have deadlines after which they either must be renewed or they go back to the old-higher rates. That is huge when it comes to capital gains. For instance: If you were to sell your business today and qualify for long-term capital gains, you would pay 15% on the capital gains portion of the sale. But if five years from now, the capital gains tax goes back to the old rate, you will get hit for over 30% if I'm not mistaken. I'll have more definitive examples tomorrow as I start cramming for my Accounting & Financial Statements for Lawyers exam. - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Normally, I'm an optimist... So, I'll use postitive language... I am very positive that Congress WILL come after us before then.They're already celebrating the taxes they can raise and t he rich people they can harm. Just listen to them. And you, and I, are the "rich people". +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > Ok, I'll agree and hopefully nothing will change until 2009-2010. > > If you really believe the Dems are going to offer up a better "tax relief" > plan than what we have right now...I have some ocean front property in > Arizona to sell you as well... > > Best, > > > Brad > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
- Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > Mark Koskenmaki wrote: > > > > Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money from your business with nothing > > in return hurts your business? It isn't c lear that taking money from your > > customers and potential customers can hurt your business? > > > > What can I say... Some folks must be able to walk on water. Sadly, it's a > > skill I have not learned. Nor anyone I know. Nor has any small business > > I've done business with, nor worked for ever managed to say that taxes and > > regulation have no impact on them... > > > > > Presenting a straw man doesn't invalidate my statement. I am at a loss. Pointing out that every small businessman knows that taxes going up and regulatory costs going up hurts him, because he witnesses it first hand, is a "straw man" argument? > > Millions of these "businesses with bigger problems than who controls > > Congress" employ the majority of all employed people in the US, all of the > > "self-employed", too. > > > > > These millions of business with bigger problems should probably focus on > those bigger problems. What "bigger problems", exactly, were you referring to, when you made this blanket statement? My most insurmountable problems have been: Government. Government... And government. Competition I can beat, no sweat. Technical issues? Just flies to swat down. Government? The one thing that is unmoveable, obstructive, and can does, at mere whim, take you out, and no justice will ever be served. > > If you think government policy is irrelevant to WISP's (and any other small > > business), I'd like to know what you think is relevant... > > > > > Where is the government policy debate to which you refer? Huh? If you think taxes, regulation, etc, are irrelevant to WISP's everyday decisions and life... What is relevant? Other than our own wits and creativity? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Ok, I'll agree and hopefully nothing will change until 2009-2010. If you really believe the Dems are going to offer up a better "tax relief" plan than what we have right now...I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you as well... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Brad Belton wrote: > Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands > or buts. > > Actually no, it isn't. For all you know the Bush tax cut could be replaced with a different tax cut. You don't know; none of us do. Further, this isn't even relevant until 2009 when there will be a different administration anyway. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Brad Belton wrote: Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. Actually no, it isn't. For all you know the Bush tax cut could be replaced with a different tax cut. You don't know; none of us do. Further, this isn't even relevant until 2009 when there will be a different administration anyway. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money from your business with nothing in return hurts your business? It isn't c lear that taking money from your customers and potential customers can hurt your business? What can I say... Some folks must be able to walk on water. Sadly, it's a skill I have not learned. Nor anyone I know. Nor has any small business I've done business with, nor worked for ever managed to say that taxes and regulation have no impact on them... Presenting a straw man doesn't invalidate my statement. Millions of these "businesses with bigger problems than who controls Congress" employ the majority of all employed people in the US, all of the "self-employed", too. These millions of business with bigger problems should probably focus on those bigger problems. If you think government policy is irrelevant to WISP's (and any other small business), I'd like to know what you think is relevant... Where is the government policy debate to which you refer? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Not making the Bush tax relief permanent is raising your taxes. No if, ands or buts. The Dems have made it abundantly clear they do not intend to make the tax relief permanent...No FUD about it. Your taxes are going up if the Dems have anything to do with it. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment I always find it interesting that people like to spread FUD about taxes. At this point, there is no new tax plan presented, so there is no way to know what impact it will have. Further, from an economic standpoint, it isn't clear that lower taxes are good for businesses. Regardless, this list doesn't need a discussion about politics or taxes since neither are on topic. Finally, if something like taxes is the one thing that is going to make or break your business then your business likely has bigger problems than who controls congress. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: > This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform > has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many > ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. > > Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, > cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a > lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more > active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing > Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just > serve to put us back in a recession. > > - Larry > > > > > - Original Message - From: "chris cooper" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:20 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > >> ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle >> east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki >> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment >> >> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html >> >> You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. >> >> While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. >> Whether >> it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" >> your >> employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax >> money, >> we ARE the target. >> >> I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some >> advice on how to deal with the future. >> >> >> +++ >> neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East >> Washington >> email me at mark at neofast dot net >> 541-969-8200 >> Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: >> 11/7/2006 >> >> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
- Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > I always find it interesting that people like to spread FUD about taxes. > At this point, there is no new tax plan presented, so there is no way to > know what impact it will have. Further, from an economic standpoint, it > isn't clear that lower taxes are good for businesses. Huh. It isnt' clear that taking more money from your business with nothing in return hurts your business? It isn't c lear that taking money from your customers and potential customers can hurt your business? What can I say... Some folks must be able to walk on water. Sadly, it's a skill I have not learned. Nor anyone I know. Nor has any small business I've done business with, nor worked for ever managed to say that taxes and regulation have no impact on them... Regardless, this > list doesn't need a discussion about politics or taxes since neither are > on topic. Finally, if something like taxes is the one thing that is > going to make or break your business then your business likely has > bigger problems than who controls congress. Yeah, we're SMALL businesses. That's our "Problem". We're vulnerable. We take what the rest of the western world considers to be insane risks. Daily. Millions of these "businesses with bigger problems than who controls Congress" employ the majority of all employed people in the US, all of the "self-employed", too. If you think government policy is irrelevant to WISP's (and any other small business), I'd like to know what you think is relevant... +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Hey, we're businessmen. We deal with reality. If you dont refer to Congress as "digging into your pocket" normally, maybe you need to re-think whatever language you obscure the concept with... When the telco targets one of your markets... You have the bullseye on your back... With a political shift in DC, you, again, have become the target. The article I posted is a column written by small business advocates in Washington DC. Read it. They're not using a lot of rosy phraseology to describe what could happen. So how do you "duck for cover"? +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > Mark, > > What I tried to say in my post is let's hear the information but present it > in a less-extreme fashion without the obviously slanted language such as > 'digging into your pocket' and 'shafting you as hard and deep as possible'. > Otherwise your post should go to a list that's hosted on a site that is > named governmentrant.org, or something like that. Your 2nd post here that > I'm replying to now is more along the lines of an appropriate post for this > list (sans the parting shot at the end). > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > ----- Original Message - > From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > > > The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... > Those > > are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at > > stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider > > watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress > > hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. > One > > has to face facts... > > > > The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that > > is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value > of > > everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to > > growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain > the > > value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. > Some > > I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most > value > > possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. > > Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar > they > > can manage to keep away from the tax man. > > > > You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us > > under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth > > leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. > > > > But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with > > you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my > situation, > > I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, > > no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. > > > > If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at > > McDonald's. > > > > And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor > > victory in the war on "the rich". > > > > > > +++ > > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East > Washington > > email me at mark at neofast dot net > > 541-969-8200 > > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > > > > > > Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who > want > > to > > > hear it. I can't see how the typ
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
I always find it interesting that people like to spread FUD about taxes. At this point, there is no new tax plan presented, so there is no way to know what impact it will have. Further, from an economic standpoint, it isn't clear that lower taxes are good for businesses. Regardless, this list doesn't need a discussion about politics or taxes since neither are on topic. Finally, if something like taxes is the one thing that is going to make or break your business then your business likely has bigger problems than who controls congress. -Matt Larry Yunker wrote: This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a recession. - Larry - Original Message - From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Kind of a given, Larry.. What I am hoping for is some good conversations about strategies for dealing with it. Most of us just can't afford to pay a high-priced advisor... Yet the impacts are comparatively MUCH larger for a small business than for those big guys who can hire the lawyers and tax advisors. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Larry Yunker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has > always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a > Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. > > Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, > cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of > Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or > economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on > business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a > recession. > > - Larry -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Mark, What I tried to say in my post is let's hear the information but present it in a less-extreme fashion without the obviously slanted language such as 'digging into your pocket' and 'shafting you as hard and deep as possible'. Otherwise your post should go to a list that's hosted on a site that is named governmentrant.org, or something like that. Your 2nd post here that I'm replying to now is more along the lines of an appropriate post for this list (sans the parting shot at the end). Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those > are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at > stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider > watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress > hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One > has to face facts... > > The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that > is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of > everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to > growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the > value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some > I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value > possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. > Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they > can manage to keep away from the tax man. > > You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us > under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth > leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. > > But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with > you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, > I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, > no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. > > If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at > McDonald's. > > And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor > victory in the war on "the rich". > > > +++ > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington > email me at mark at neofast dot net > 541-969-8200 > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > > > Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want > to > > hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. > > > > Mark Nash > > Network Engineer > > UnwiredOnline.Net > > 350 Holly Street > > Junction City, OR 97448 > > http://www.uwol.net > > 541-998- > > 541-998-5599 fax > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM > > Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > > > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html > > > > > > You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. > > > > > > While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. > Whether > > > it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" > your > > > employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax > > money, > > > we ARE the target. > > > > > > I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some > > > advice on how to deal with the future. > > > > > > > > > +++ > > > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East > > Washington > > > email me at mark at neo
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
That's an argument best left elsewhere.. But... In my view, you really should vote anyway. Besides, at least in places like here, we had a ton of local stuff, some of which will directly impact me or my customers. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > Rick Smith wrote: > > A general thanks out there to all that voted. All 40% of us. The other 60 > > ought to be ashamed. > > Does it still count if everyone I voted for lost? > > (lolbertarian) > > David Smith > MVN.net > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
341 billion out of... The government has spent approximately 11,600 billion (some rounding here) from 2002 to now. If all we've spent is 341 billion, that's just under 3%. About the same as the paypal fees on a larger purchase... In the overall scope of our nation's budget, "the war" is not any particularly important issue. With federal expenditures rapidly approaching 3 trillion annually, pretty much funded by the likes of you and me, we really SHOULD pay attention to how the budget is run. It bears no resemblance to how you or I would do it :( +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle > east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html > > You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. > > While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. > Whether > it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" > your > employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax > money, > we ARE the target. > > I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some > advice on how to deal with the future. > > > +++ > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East > Washington > email me at mark at neofast dot net > 541-969-8200 > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: > 11/7/2006 > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
This should not be a big surprise. The Democratic Party's platform has always yielded higher taxes. This story just shows one of many ways that a Democratic-lead Congress is likely to spread-the-hurt. Sorry folks, but it is a grim day in my opinion. Taxes are going up, cost-of-business is going up. Regulation is going up. I know that a lot of Americans are tired of the war and would like to see a more active social or economic agenda in Washington... but allowing Congress to be harsh on business and harsh on consumers will just serve to put us back in a recession. - Larry - Original Message - From: "chris cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
The impacts on your business... Your accountant's report to you... Those are not partisan. Your ability to survive and / or grow are very much at stake in how you deal with changes that are likely. If you consider watching out for and trying to keep your business afloat with a Congress hostile to you some kind of partisanship, you're being a little silly. One has to face facts... The #1 target of every Democrat congress is to remove write-offs... that is, to turn the stuff you buy into assets, so you get taxed on the value of everything you buy. Tax laws at the moment are moderately friendly to growth, in that you have the choice to either write-off... Or to retain the value of your equipment, which ever may suit your business situation. Some I know are taking the tax bite, becuase they want, on paper, the most value possible for thier business... For future sale purposes. Some don't. Some want or need every possible deduction so they can use every dollar they can manage to keep away from the tax man. You may lose that choice... and that could ultimately put a number of us under - especially the faster growing ones, who find that taxing growth leads to instant negative cash flow and bankruptcy. But then again, maybe your accountant is just playing partisan games with you... Or not. WISP's are quite unique in that, at least in my situation, I am purchasing intense. Every dollar that comes in goes out. No wages, no lunches, no toys... Just every dollar turned over for growth. If I could not write that off... I'd have to just give up and go work at McDonald's. And not a single Democrat would consider that a bad thing - just a minor victory in the war on "the rich". +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to > hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. > > Mark Nash > Network Engineer > UnwiredOnline.Net > 350 Holly Street > Junction City, OR 97448 > http://www.uwol.net > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM > Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > > > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html > > > > You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. > > > > While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether > > it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your > > employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax > money, > > we ARE the target. > > > > I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some > > advice on how to deal with the future. > > > > > > +++ > > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East > Washington > > email me at mark at neofast dot net > > 541-969-8200 > > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > > > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Rick Smith wrote: A general thanks out there to all that voted. All 40% of us. The other 60 ought to be ashamed. Does it still count if everyone I voted for lost? (lolbertarian) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Please, keep the politics off this list. I'm sure that there are many opinions out there and we do not need a flame war. chris cooper wrote: ...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
...And here I thought the big red bullseye was painted on the middle east. So far we have dumped $341 billion down that shaft -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, we ARE the target. I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some advice on how to deal with the future. +++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.32/523 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
A general thanks out there to all that voted. All 40% of us. The other 60 ought to be ashamed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html > > You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. > > While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether > it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your > employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, > we ARE the target. > > I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some > advice on how to deal with the future. > > > +++ > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington > email me at mark at neofast dot net > 541-969-8200 > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment
Then don't be partisan, and save the extreme comments for people who want to hear it. I can't see how the type of language in this post helps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] So, ya'll wondered who'd be the first to comment > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,227778,00.html > > You just got a big red bullseye painted on your back. > > While I"m not trying to be partisan... YOU are the main target. Whether > it's digging into your pocket for "benefits" congress wants to "give" your > employees, to just shafting you as hard and deep as possible for tax money, > we ARE the target. > > I'd love to see some good informed financial advisors on here give some > advice on how to deal with the future. > > > +++ > neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington > email me at mark at neofast dot net > 541-969-8200 > Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
