Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
I agree with that. But, reality being what it is marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it doesn't so much to support the local loop. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
There is nothing wrong with subsidees. Its the only way to level the playing field, in david vs goliath markets.. The problem is how subsidees are given and the criteria for how one qualifies. Subsidees are meant to be taken advantage of. Its what enables someone to survive, that otherwise would not. I'm personally glad there are many ILECs, and not just 5 RBOCs. Rural subsidees are what enable that. There is a bigger picture problem to solve via these programs, not just maximizing the dollar for rural deployment.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
But you really are not harming the subsidized utility. For example, we have about 900 customer on our public utility. We charge them a little more than $10 for local service. $9000 per month. But the FUSF, SUSF, and NECA settlement probably amounts to 2-3 million a year. If you take my customers, the amount of my subsidy per customer increases since they have to keep me whole. That is the magic of rate of return regulation. The investment is what drives the amount of the support. Not the number of customers. We actually petitioned to give folks free service a few years ago and the regulators would not allow it. - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. I don't usually agree with Mark's viewpoints, but I agree with this one 100%. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint. This is the RIGHT one... Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing CenturyTel. The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it, and let them fall into oblivion. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Yeah. And out here Century Tel gets $60 to $109 per month (depending on who you talk to) per pots line in USF funds. Gee, I wonder why they require a pots line for DSL And they can sell DSL at retail rates at or below the wholesale rates. Man, what I could do with an extra $100 per month per sub! marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it doesn't so much to support the local loop. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
DSL is mostly gravy. It gets shared through NECA in many cases, but it doesn't so much to support the local loop. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Well, not quite. A tarrifed pots line pays for the wire in the ground and the upkeep. DSL is gravy. Or did I miss something? marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
While the ILECs may have been unable to directly pass along the cost of their broadband infrastructure to the consumer, they have successful engaged in a reverse of the concept. They have placed the burden of their dying POTS infrastructure on their broadband subscribers. ILECS have instituted tying agreements which essentially force broadband subscribers into purchasing tariffed services. For example, if you want $19.95/month DSL, you must-purchase the ILEC's $62/month all frills included phone service package. Of course, someone will cry out what about naked-DSL? Yes, it exists in most markets now, but it will cost you roughly $50-$55/month for the same plan that you would get for $19.95/month if you were so kind as to agree to subsidize ma-Bell's poor starving land-line phone service. Seems ironic doesn't it... the ILEC can't force its telephone subscribers to pay for its broadband expansion through tariffed rates (it wouldn't work because most people would get cell phones and ditch the land line before they would agree to pay a bunch more for their land line), so ILECs work the system backwards... people still want DSL, so lets force them to buy our next-to-useless landline phone service in order to get our coveted broadband service. Unfortunately, I don't see people cutting their electric company service and installing solar cells as a replacements anytime soon, so if the electric company were to engage in broadband as suggested, it would be scary for all other broadband carriers. - Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Not exactly true. The POTS infrastructure rate of return is recovered through basic rates, NECA and USF settlements. It truly supports itself nicely. We do have to option of refusing to offer Naked DSL. But that extra revenue does not get applied to local loop support. It goes in our pocket to be spent any way we want. - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. While the ILECs may have been unable to directly pass along the cost of their broadband infrastructure to the consumer, they have successful engaged in a reverse of the concept. They have placed the burden of their dying POTS infrastructure on their broadband subscribers. ILECS have instituted tying agreements which essentially force broadband subscribers into purchasing tariffed services. For example, if you want $19.95/month DSL, you must-purchase the ILEC's $62/month all frills included phone service package. Of course, someone will cry out what about naked-DSL? Yes, it exists in most markets now, but it will cost you roughly $50-$55/month for the same plan that you would get for $19.95/month if you were so kind as to agree to subsidize ma-Bell's poor starving land-line phone service. Seems ironic doesn't it... the ILEC can't force its telephone subscribers to pay for its broadband expansion through tariffed rates (it wouldn't work because most people would get cell phones and ditch the land line before they would agree to pay a bunch more for their land line), so ILECs work the system backwards... people still want DSL, so lets force them to buy our next-to-useless landline phone service in order to get our coveted broadband service. Unfortunately, I don't see people cutting their electric company service and installing solar cells as a replacements anytime soon, so if the electric company were to engage in broadband as suggested, it would be scary for all other broadband carriers. - Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Yeah, I am always on the lookout for the ILEC comment here and there. Our ILEC has 900 customers scattered over 12 counties of two states with about 800 miles of fiber. We have 13 central office switches. That is an average of about 70 subscribers per CO switch. We have 21 office codes/wire centers. So, we don't really fit the mold of most ILECs but the same rules apply. Running an ILEC this small forces one to master the whole regulatory landscape where the RBOCs have whole floors of office buildings devoted to single issues. We have 5 times more WISP customers, all in RBOC, former RBOC or Frontier turf. - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck, I wasn't suggesting that the POTS tariffs were insufficient to support the POTS infrastructure. I was drawing the conclusion that most of the large ILECs have opted to structure their DSL service offering so as to make a service bundle the only rational way to purchase the DSL service. The cost differential between Naked-DSL and DSL+Phone is often such that it is CHEAPER to buy the DSL+Phone. Thus, the ILEC can force people to choose between continuing to subscribe to POTS or not getting DSL at all. As you note... YOU as a non-RBOC ILEC have the option of refusing to offer Naked DSL. I should have been more clear with my initial comments. My assumptions are drawn upon the RBOCs (what's left of them). I believe that ATT is under an agreement with the FTC which provides that they must provide naked DSL in all markets in which they currently of DSL. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon were not under the same sort of agreement. These were concessions made when negotiating the approval of the RBOC + LD megamergers. Since the RBOCs account for over 90% of the POTS service in the U.S. I sometimes slip and refer to them generically as ILECs. As you validly point out, some independent ILECs continue to exist and have much more flexibility in their service offerings. - Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not exactly true. The POTS infrastructure rate of return is recovered through basic rates, NECA and USF settlements. It truly supports itself nicely. We do have to option of refusing to offer Naked DSL. But that extra revenue does not get applied to local loop support. It goes in our pocket to be spent any way we want. - Original Message - From: Larry Yunker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. While the ILECs may have been unable to directly pass along the cost of their broadband infrastructure to the consumer, they have successful engaged in a reverse of the concept. They have placed the burden of their dying POTS infrastructure on their broadband subscribers. ILECS have instituted tying agreements which essentially force broadband subscribers into purchasing tariffed services. For example, if you want $19.95/month DSL, you must-purchase the ILEC's $62/month all frills included phone service package. Of course, someone will cry out what about naked-DSL? Yes, it exists in most markets now, but it will cost you roughly $50-$55/month for the same plan that you would get for $19.95/month if you were so kind as to agree to subsidize ma-Bell's poor starving land-line phone service. Seems ironic doesn't it... the ILEC can't force its telephone subscribers to pay for its broadband expansion through tariffed rates (it wouldn't work because most people would get cell phones and ditch the land line before they would agree to pay a bunch more for their land line), so ILECs work the system backwards... people still want DSL, so lets force them to buy our next-to-useless landline phone service in order to get our coveted broadband service. Unfortunately, I don't see people cutting their electric company service and installing solar cells as a replacements anytime soon, so if the electric company were to engage in broadband as suggested, it would be scary for all other broadband carriers. - Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Not true. Not true at all. Cable Companies are not rate of return regulated. Every dollar they spend is below the line. The ILECS are strictly regulated as to what can be spent above the line. Tarrifed rates ONLY support tarrifed services. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Why not? Isn't that kinda what Cable Cos and ILECs Do? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: Time to speak up. Anyone care to translate this for those among us who don't speak lawyerese, and who don't live/work in Indiana? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
Chuck McCown wrote: The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. I'll bite. Why not? (The following may not represent the views of my boss, my company, WISPA for whom I occasionally do work, or even myself.) Power utilities have invested tens of millions of dollars into their infrastructure. As a publicly-regulated utility, they're required to continue to spend money on a regular basis to maintain and upgrade the infrastructure. Why shouldn't they be permitted to try to recoup some of that cost through non-traditional means? Are you arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to start using automated-meter-reading technology, or that they shouldn't be allowed to sell Internet connectivity using that same system? There's a very fine line between the two. David Smith WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Just what we need.
No no, I am saying that the power rates represent a cost of doing business plus their regulated rate of return. They are asking that the expense of building a broadband network to be allowed to be added to their rate base. Thus keeping rates up and earning a rate or return on the broadband network. I don't care if they want to use below the line money to build and operate a network. But in the world of utility regulation, above the line expense is sacred. This would mean the little old lady that does not even have a computer would be paying for the broadband network as part of rates. That is not right. Power should be as low as possible and power rates should never support non regulated activities. This is called cross subsidization. I know a telco manager that was thrown against the wall and handcuffed in front of his board of directors by the state AG financial crimes unit because a disgruntled employee told them that he had directed above the line revenue to be used to pay for unregulated broadband equipment. This is a very touchy subject. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Just what we need. Chuck McCown wrote: The power company wants to take rate payer money and build a broadband network that will contact each meter for the purpose of managing energy. It will also supply broadband to the homeowner if they want. This should not be allowed. I'll bite. Why not? (The following may not represent the views of my boss, my company, WISPA for whom I occasionally do work, or even myself.) Power utilities have invested tens of millions of dollars into their infrastructure. As a publicly-regulated utility, they're required to continue to spend money on a regular basis to maintain and upgrade the infrastructure. Why shouldn't they be permitted to try to recoup some of that cost through non-traditional means? Are you arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to start using automated-meter-reading technology, or that they shouldn't be allowed to sell Internet connectivity using that same system? There's a very fine line between the two. David Smith WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
