Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would love to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... 1) They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain. For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and still have them perform well. These are great for repeaters, where there is a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the ground where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable. Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else in this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an antenna that matches their specific need. SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna, they really serve two different market segments. MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass antenna. Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the MTI makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness. In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other good sources. The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also comes size. This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg. (Thats not exact db spec) There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using Canopy are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector. When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees. With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels), fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal seperation, maybe 3ft) if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation between each antenna. Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the other native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made that possible. But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Scottie Arnett" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > To start out with, I have heard nothing but bad news about Super Pass. I > have never used them, so I am NOT speaking from experience. I am also a > 80% or more Canopy shop...so take that as you will. For Canopy, I have > used 120 degree H-pol Tiltek sectors...they work !@@@!...@!@ great! But they > are expensive I am one to buy the close to what I think is best first > and worry about the consequences later. I sleep better. > > Now in your situation, the Super Pass may work great? The only 900 Mhz I > have used is Canopy. Canopy supposedly has the magic sauce of GPS timing. > On the Tiltek sectors, with Canopy, I have customers out to 10.5 miles > away and could have further but that is the the MAX AP distance that is > set on my Moto 900 AP's. > > If you are trying to go PTP, I can offer you some suggestions on things > much cheaper. If you are going to try PtMP, my suggestion will be Canopy > unless you expect less than 20 subs. > > Scott > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Robert West" > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:02:10 -0400 > >>I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector >>antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because >>I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it >>works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new >>install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 mil
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
http://www.ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19484 --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote: From: Robert West Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:28 PM Are they also matching them up with a damn great super fantsitc, can't live without radio? Will they finally be taking that swing at Canopy we've been promised? Do tell! What's the scoop Bob- - Original Message - From: "Jason Bailey" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will shake the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason For now,MTI expensive..GET what you pay for. --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird wrote: From: Michael Baird Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand. Regards Michael Baird > UBNT works on the Julian calendar. > > It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert. > > LOL! > > Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing > solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013? > > Bob- > > - Original Message - > From: "Jason Bailey" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. > Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > > > Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second > quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :) > > > --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote: > > > From: Robert West > Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not > healthcare, taxes or government related. > To: "WISPA General List" > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM > > > I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector > antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've > never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works > great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs > some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , > into > the trees to the CPEs. > > I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB > so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's > deserved. > > Thanks. > > Bob- > > The cheap SOB > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
Are they also matching them up with a damn great super fantsitc, can't live without radio? Will they finally be taking that swing at Canopy we've been promised? Do tell! What's the scoop Bob- - Original Message - From: "Jason Bailey" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I have been waiting to see this discussionso I started it! I know the schedule and I'm anxious to see it.It will come,and when it does it will shake the market up!IMHO we need that!.Jason For now,MTI expensive..GET what you pay for. --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Michael Baird wrote: From: Michael Baird Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:22 PM There are two more months in the 2nd quarter, they said in the last week they are still on target. Ubiquiti seems to come out with the products fine, they just don't get enough of it out into the pipeline to meet demand. Regards Michael Baird > UBNT works on the Julian calendar. > > It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert. > > LOL! > > Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing > solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013? > > Bob- > > - Original Message - > From: "Jason Bailey" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. > Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > > > Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second > quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :) > > > --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote: > > > From: Robert West > Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not > healthcare, taxes or government related. > To: "WISPA General List" > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM > > > I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector > antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've > never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works > great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs > some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , > into > the trees to the CPEs. > > I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB > so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's > deserved. > > Thanks. > > Bob- > > The cheap SOB > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
I've been using the Comet 900 Omnis and they work great but not for much distance. The Comet is heavy at all but pretty solid. Bob- - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I've had suggestions of MTI's. They are very expensive anywhere, I believe. I absolutely love MTI's 5Ghz sector and 900 omni (though it's super super super super super heavy). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Robert West wrote: > UBNT works on the Julian calendar. > > It's not their fault that you don't know how to convert. > > LOL! > > Thanks a bunch. I heard something aout them doing 900 sectors but nothing > solid. Might be worth the wait. Like till 2013? > > Bob- > > - Original Message - > From: "Jason Bailey" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. > Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > > > Also look at ubnt,They are coming out with 900 and 3.65 in the second > quarter of 2010...H,isn't this the second quarter??? :) > > > --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Robert West wrote: > > > From: Robert West > Subject: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not > healthcare, taxes or government related. > To: "WISPA General List" > Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:02 PM > > > I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector > antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've > never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works > great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs > some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , > into > the trees to the CPEs. > > I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB > so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's > deserved. > > Thanks. > > Bob- > > The cheap SOB > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
