Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-10 Thread Tom DeReggi
Gino,

You may need to look at the routes that are advertised via a looking glass 
to discover the reason. For example use the looking glass of your provider, 
and that of the other upstreams of the customer.
As well, look at the customer's BGP tables.

First define, are the configured advertisement actually advertizing from the 
customer. Configuration errors can sometimes prevent that. For example...
A) if a rule was manually added to a text file of Quagga out of 
place.
B) Routemap and filter relationships are not right.

Second, Confirm all upstreams will accept all the route advertizements. 
Many reasons they might not
A) Advertising a smaller subblock within a larger allocated registered 
block.  Some providers do not allow it. Upstreams would need to add "le 24" 
if adverrising a /24 on a /22.
B) Reached max limit of allowable routes to advertise. Upstream must 
increase limit.
C) Upstream may be filtering the IPs advertising, if they were not made 
aware of it.
D) RIR records have not been updated to reflect your route policy, some 
upstreams filter on RIR records.
E) Upstream does not accept small blocks below a certain size

Third, Confirm routes aren' being overided at upstream
A) A static route exists on the upstream to override.
B) Some upstream BGP netwrok designs have routers that do not have 
enough memory for Full tables, and therefore all advertised routes may not 
exist on all routers, causing path issues. Smallest blocks will usually drop 
out first.
C) Both Customer Upstream have a next hop Common upstream, and have 
rules for passing traffic between them that overide your advertised route.

 I can give an example of a common issue... Lets say we have a 
registered /22, and want to advertise a /24 at peerA and a /24 at peerB. We 
might Advertise a /22 at both, in case the route is not accepted by one of 
the upstream's upstreams because it is small block, as a safety measure. We 
might AS prepend PeerB over A to make one more priority for the /22 block. 
So both the /24 and /22 will advertise to a peer. Now lets say the /24 
advertisement gets dropped because a router has no memory for it, or what 
ever reason, the /22 may still exist, causing a different routing behavior 
than configured for the /24.  .

Fourth, Make sure that your network being the return path, is not blocking 
the IPs from returning because of your own internal OSPF / IBGP rules.

I guess my point is Without having any detail, or narrowing it down, the 
number of possibilties are endless to why it is not working.

If you can verify what advertised routes propogated to what upstreams, you 
can then determine what factors might have led to that result.

Lastly, I'll mention AS Prepend is often a default first choice for 
prioritizing the inbound route. But that method is not all or nothing for an 
advertisement. We found that for our customers, if they wanted a block to 
return on our circuit, they wanted all traffic on that block to return on 
out network. They wanted it 100%. One way to do that is to combine route 
maps with shortest block advertisements. For example, You onl;y advertise 
the /24 A on PeerA and /24 B on PeerB, so there is onl;y one configured 
choice for each /24. Then advertise the /22 for only one peers, or Prepend 
the /22 to propritize it.  That mentality may not scale across having a 
large number of peers and upstreams, but for an end user customer with 2-3 
Transits, it works well.  We found that trobuleshooting customers was to 
hard UNLESS we knew and the customer knew what traffic was going across our 
network. With AS PRepending, maybe some of hte traffic might cross the other 
path in some situations.  Everytime a customer has a slow access to a 
destination site, we havce to check BGP routes or firewalls snifffing before 
troubleshooting to know if its our problem or not.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP


> Exactly,
>
> The problem is not for own ip space, its for a downstream customer ips
> space,  they have several providers and want to favor our link for some
> ip ranges.  They are prepending such ranges to the other providers to
> favor our link.
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of David
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>
> You prepend the link you want to disfavor.  The more you prepend the
> longer a route will look.

Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Matt Liotta
If you provide the prefixes in question it would be easier. You may  
want to have your customer check with their other upstreams to see  
what communities they support. BGP communities that adjust local  
preference are preferred over prepending. See http://www.onesc.net/communities/ 
  for a listing for a number of providers.

-Matt

On Jun 9, 2009, at 3:09 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:

> Exactly,
>
> The problem is not for own ip space, its for a downstream customer ips
> space,  they have several providers and want to favor our link for  
> some
> ip ranges.  They are prepending such ranges to the other providers to
> favor our link.
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of David
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>
> You prepend the link you want to disfavor.  The more you prepend the
> longer a route will look.
>
> David
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:57 PM
>> To: WISPA General List; can...@believewireless.net
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>>
>> Should I not prepend to favor our link?
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:52 PM
>> To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>>
>> You mean prepending AS numbers, not routes. Prepending will also
>> lengthen the the calculation, so if they are prepending to you, this
>> would the route through your link less favorable to the outside  
>> world.
>>
>> Are you seeing the prepend coming from their routers? On a cisco it
>> would be show ip neighbor  received-routes, if you are
>> seeing the prepend from them, check and see if you are forwarding  
>> them
>
>> on to your upstream show ip neighbor > interface>
>
>> advertised-routes. If you see these in both places, it's most likely
>> your upstream not allowing the prepend.
>>
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>>> Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers
>> routes?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
>>>>
>>>> t...@mattke.net
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>>>>
>>>> Anyone available for some BGP support?
>>>>
>>>> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending
>>>> some routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread David
You prepend the link you want to disfavor.  The more you prepend the longer
a route will look.

David

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:57 PM
> To: WISPA General List; can...@believewireless.net
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
> 
> Should I not prepend to favor our link?
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Baird
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:52 PM
> To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
> 
> You mean prepending AS numbers, not routes. Prepending will also
> lengthen the the calculation, so if they are prepending to you, this
> would the route through your link less favorable to the outside world.
> 
> Are you seeing the prepend coming from their routers? On a cisco it
> would be show ip neighbor  received-routes, if you are
> seeing
> the prepend from them, check and see if you are forwarding them on to
> your upstream show ip neighbor 
> advertised-routes. If you see these in both places, it's most likely
> your upstream not allowing the prepend.
> 
> Regards
> Michael Baird
> > Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers
> routes?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick
> wrote:
> >
> >> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
> >>
> >> t...@mattke.net
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
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> >> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
> >>
> >> Anyone available for some BGP support?
> >>
> >> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending
> >> some routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> g...@aeronetpr.com
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Exactly,

The problem is not for own ip space, its for a downstream customer ips
space,  they have several providers and want to favor our link for some
ip ranges.  They are prepending such ranges to the other providers to
favor our link.   


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g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:02 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

You prepend the link you want to disfavor.  The more you prepend the
longer a route will look.

David

> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 12:57 PM
> To: WISPA General List; can...@believewireless.net
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
> 
> Should I not prepend to favor our link?
> 
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Michael Baird
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:52 PM
> To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
> 
> You mean prepending AS numbers, not routes. Prepending will also 
> lengthen the the calculation, so if they are prepending to you, this 
> would the route through your link less favorable to the outside world.
> 
> Are you seeing the prepend coming from their routers? On a cisco it 
> would be show ip neighbor  received-routes, if you are 
> seeing the prepend from them, check and see if you are forwarding them

> on to your upstream show ip neighbor 

> advertised-routes. If you see these in both places, it's most likely 
> your upstream not allowing the prepend.
> 
> Regards
> Michael Baird
> > Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers
> routes?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick
> wrote:
> >
> >> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
> >>
> >> t...@mattke.net
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> >> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
> >>
> >> Anyone available for some BGP support?
> >>
> >> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending 
> >> some routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> g...@aeronetpr.com
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Matt Liotta

On Jun 9, 2009, at 3:02 PM, David wrote:

> You prepend the link you want to disfavor.  The more you prepend the  
> longer
> a route will look.
>
Assuming your upstream didn't increase your local preference, which is  
normally the case these days. AS prepending is no longer the ideal  
methodology for traffic engineering.

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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Should I not prepend to favor our link? 


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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:52 PM
To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

You mean prepending AS numbers, not routes. Prepending will also
lengthen the the calculation, so if they are prepending to you, this
would the route through your link less favorable to the outside world.

Are you seeing the prepend coming from their routers? On a cisco it
would be show ip neighbor  received-routes, if you are seeing
the prepend from them, check and see if you are forwarding them on to
your upstream show ip neighbor 
advertised-routes. If you see these in both places, it's most likely
your upstream not allowing the prepend.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers
routes?
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick
wrote:
>   
>> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
>>
>> t...@mattke.net
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>>
>> Anyone available for some BGP support?
>>
>> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending 
>> some routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Michael Baird
You mean prepending AS numbers, not routes. Prepending will also 
lengthen the the calculation, so if they are prepending to you, this 
would the route through your link less favorable to the outside world.

Are you seeing the prepend coming from their routers? On a cisco it 
would be show ip neighbor  received-routes, if you are seeing 
the prepend from them, check and see if
you are forwarding them on to your upstream show ip neighbor  advertised-routes. If you see these in both 
places, it's most likely your upstream not allowing the prepend.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers routes?
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
>   
>> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
>>
>> t...@mattke.net
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>>
>> Anyone available for some BGP support?
>>
>> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending some
>> routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Gino Villarini
yeah 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers routes?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
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> t...@mattke.net
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> Regards,
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> Jeff
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> Anyone available for some BGP support?
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> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending some 
> routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Did you notify your upstream that you be advertising your customers routes?

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
> I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.
>
> t...@mattke.net
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
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> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP
>
> Anyone available for some BGP support?
>
> Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending some
> routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

2009-06-09 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I recommend Tony Mattke for dynamic routing work.

t...@mattke.net

Regards,

Jeff 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Need BGP Support ASAP

Anyone available for some BGP support?
 
Im providing Internet service to another ISP, they are prepending some
routes to favor our link, still my router doesnt acknoledge it
 

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
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