Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Matt Hoppes 
That's a valid purpose I has not thought of. Being a land lubber. 

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 4:46 PM, wi...@metrocom.ca wrote:
> 
> We have many customers near the coast, and we have a pile of Canopy 100 900 
> MHz radios that rusted off their mounts due to corrosion. Another pile has 
> units where the Ethernet connectors essentially *rotted* because the 
> installers did not use silicon grease inside the units on the back of the 
> ethernet conenctors and polyphenyl ether on the connectors itself.
> 
> So while "waterproof" may not be crucial, being rated and used for the 
> particular purpose is.
> 
> 
> Daniel Mullen
> Island Telecom
> 
> Matt Hoppes  wrote ..
>> If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
>> worries.
>> 
>> Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
>> CPE
>> is necessary?
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...links have 2 sides
>>> 
>>> - Patrick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>> Of Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
>>> 
>>> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
>>> the
>> meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
>> matters,
>> as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to 
>> use. Do
>> you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking 
>> around
>> connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a 
>> crack
>> like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near 
>> the
>> coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting 
>> into your
>> boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase 
>> you may
>> be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, 
>> so
>> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP 
>> rating."
>>> 
>>> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
>>> other.
>> In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," but 
>> rather
>> is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
>>> 
>>> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter --
>> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
>> liquid
>> incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with 
>> mechanical
>> tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
>>> are
>> almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
>> whole
>> sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
>> time
>> sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
>> with
>> a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
>> second
>> number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to.
>>> 
>>> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
>>> cable
>> competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
>> less
>> serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>>> M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
>>>  
>>> See us on 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread wispa 
We have many customers near the coast, and we have a pile of Canopy 100 900 MHz 
radios that rusted off their mounts due to corrosion. Another pile has units 
where the Ethernet connectors essentially *rotted* because the installers did 
not use silicon grease inside the units on the back of the ethernet conenctors 
and polyphenyl ether on the connectors itself.

So while "waterproof" may not be crucial, being rated and used for the 
particular purpose is.


Daniel Mullen
Island Telecom

Matt Hoppes  wrote ..
> If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
> worries.
> 
> Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
> CPE
> is necessary?
> 
> > On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> > 
> > ...links have 2 sides
> >  
> > - Patrick
> >  
> >  
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> > Behalf
> Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
> >  
> > My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
> > 
> > On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> > 
> > Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
> > the
> meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
> matters,
> as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need to use. 
> Do
> you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause cracking around
> connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a 
> crack
> like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near 
> the
> coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into 
> your
> boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you 
> may
> be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so
> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP 
> rating."
> >  
> > First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
> > other.
> In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," but 
> rather
> is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
> >  
> > Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter --
> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
> liquid
> incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals with 
> mechanical
> tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
> > are
> almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
> whole
> sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a time
> sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
> with
> a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
> second
> number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not to.
> >  
> > These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
> > cable
> competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any less
> serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your control.
> >  
> > Regards,
> >  
> > Patrick Leary
> > National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
> > M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
> >  
> > See us on 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Josh Luthman 
I thought the exact same stuff, Matt.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 8, 2014 2:15 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my
> worries.
>
> Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a
> waterproof CPE is necessary?
>
> On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
>  ...links have 2 sides
>
>
>
> *- Patrick*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
>
>
>
> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
>  Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware
> of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP
> rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the
> gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal
> expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of
> gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate
> near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly
> corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you
> don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be
> using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so
> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP
> rating."
>
>
>
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to
> each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP
> "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five
> five." Come again?!?
>
>
>
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter
> -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection
> from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that
> deals with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack
> the code:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station
> impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated
> truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the
> truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in
> dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on
> water because it was not designed not to.
>
>
>
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within
> your control.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>
> *M* 727.501.3735 *|* *Skype* pleary
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
> See us on  <http://bit.ly/18nna4j>
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Mike Hammett 
It's only a concern if they're manually writing checks. Auto-pay that shit! ;-) 


(As this is public... I'm obviously JK.) 




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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 1:15:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. 


If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
worries. 


Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
CPE is necessary? 

On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 






...links have 2 sides 



- Patrick 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. 


My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air. 


On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 



Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the 
meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need 
to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause 
cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing 
exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection 
matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about 
water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really 
can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the 
law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, 
here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating." 

First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP "five five." Come again?!? 

Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
with mechanical tolerance.) In any event, here's the key to crack the code: 

 

 

Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are 
almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not 
to. 

These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
control. 

Regards, 


Patrick Leary 
National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd . 
M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Matt Hoppes 
If my subscribers homes are underwater their internet is the least of my 
worries. 

Ok. I'm playing hardball - but seriously. Sell us on why having a waterproof 
CPE is necessary?

> On Nov 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> ...links have 2 sides
>  
> - Patrick
>  
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.
>  
> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
> 
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
> the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. 
> It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you 
> need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can 
> cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? 
> Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust 
> protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you 
> complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP 
> rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond 
> its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of 
> dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating."
>  
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
> other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
> but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
>  
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
> liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
> with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts 
> the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls 
> and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. 
> Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. 
> Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water 
> because it was not designed not to.
>  
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you 
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
> control.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Patrick Leary
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
> M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
>  
> See us on 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Patrick Leary 
...links have 2 sides

- Patrick





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 9:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.

On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the 
meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need 
to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause 
cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing 
exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection 
matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about 
water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really 
can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the 
law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, 
here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating."

First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?

Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:





Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are 
almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not 
to.

These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
control.

Regards,

Patrick Leary
National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-08 Thread Mike Hammett 
Better use the connection while you can to bring up Noah's designs. 

BTW: Thanks for the post, Patrick! 




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- Original Message -

From: "Tim Way"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2014 8:46:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating. 


Rather you hope the don't. I don't think you will be worried out network access 
if that were to happen though lol 
On Nov 7, 2014 8:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > wrote: 




My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air. 

On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 






Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of the 
meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. It 
matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you need 
to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can cause 
cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? Nothing 
exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust protection 
matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you complaining about 
water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP rating, you really 
can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond its specs. As in the 
law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of dispelling ignorance, 
here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating." 

First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP "five five." Come again?!? 

Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
with mechanical tolerance.) In any event, here's the key to crack the code: 

 

 

Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls are 
almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts the 
whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls and is a 
time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. Outdoor devices 
with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. Similarly, anything with a 
second number of 6 or below will take on water because it was not designed not 
to. 

These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you any 
less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
control. 

Regards, 


Patrick Leary 
National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd . 
M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-07 Thread Tim Way 
Rather you hope the don't. I don't think you will be worried out network
access if that were to happen though lol
On Nov 7, 2014 8:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
>
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
>  Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware
> of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP
> rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the
> gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal
> expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of
> gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate
> near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly
> corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you
> don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be
> using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so
> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP
> rating."
>
>
>
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to
> each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP
> "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five
> five." Come again?!?
>
>
>
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter
> -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection
> from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that
> deals with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack
> the code:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station
> impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated
> truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the
> truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in
> dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on
> water because it was not designed not to.
>
>
>
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within
> your control.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>
> *M* 727.501.3735 *|* *Skype* pleary
>
>  
>
> See us on  
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-07 Thread Josh Luthman 
Mine flooded 20...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 7, 2014 9:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.
>
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
>  Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware
> of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP
> rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the
> gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal
> expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of
> gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate
> near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly
> corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you
> don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be
> using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so
> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP
> rating."
>
>
>
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to
> each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP
> "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five
> five." Come again?!?
>
>
>
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter
> -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection
> from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that
> deals with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack
> the code:
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station
> impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated
> truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the
> truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in
> dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on
> water because it was not designed not to.
>
>
>
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within
> your control.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>
> *M* 727.501.3735 *|* *Skype* pleary
>
>  
>
> See us on  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-07 Thread Matt Hoppes 
My towers do not flood 80 feet in the air.

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware of 
> the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP rating. 
> It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the gear you 
> need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal expansion can 
> cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of gear. Ice storms? 
> Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate near the desert? Dust 
> protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly corrosive. Are you 
> complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you don't know the IP 
> rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be using the gear beyond 
> its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so in the interest of 
> dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP rating."
>  
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to each 
> other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP "fifty-five," 
> but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five five." Come again?!?
>  
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter -- 
> solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection from 
> liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that deals 
> with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack the code:
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls 
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station impacts 
> the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated truck rolls 
> and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the truck rolls. 
> Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in dust. 
> Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on water 
> because it was not designed not to.
>  
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or 
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you 
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within your 
> control.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Patrick Leary
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
> M 727.501.3735 | Skype pleary
>  
> See us on 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Water in your radios? Know your IP rating.

2014-11-07 Thread Josh Luthman 
Wiki has a good article on this by the way.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Nov 7, 2014 9:22 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:

>  Conversations over the past several weeks make clear many are not aware
> of the meaning of the environmental specifications, in particular the IP
> rating. It matters, as the nature of your environment informs you about the
> gear you need to use. Do you have broad temperature swings? Thermal
> expansion can cause cracking around connector housings in some levels of
> gear. Ice storms? Nothing exploits a crack like freezing water. Operate
> near the desert? Dust protection matters. Near the coast? Salt is highly
> corrosive. Are you complaining about water getting into your boxes? If you
> don't know the IP rating, you really can't complain becuase you may be
> using the gear beyond its specs. As in the law, ignorance is no defense, so
> in the interest of dispelling ignorance, here's a quick tutorial on the "IP
> rating."
>
>
>
> First, it's not sequential. I mean, the two digits have no relation to
> each other. In that sense it is NOT a number: IP55 does not mean IP
> "fifty-five," but rather is more appropriately thought of as IP  "five
> five." Come again?!?
>
>
>
> Well, the first number refers to protection level from particulate matter
> -- solids -- like dust and sand. The second number deals with protection
> from liquid incursion. (There can be a third number, usually left out, that
> deals with mechanical tolerance.)  In any event, here's the key to crack
> the code:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Know the rating of your equipment, at both ends. Environmental truck rolls
> are almost 100% avoidable. Environmental failure at the base station
> impacts the whole sector. Failures at the CPE level can cause repeated
> truck rolls and is a time sink trying to identify root cause before the
> truck rolls. Outdoor devices with a first digit of 5 or less, will take in
> dust. Similarly, anything with a second number of 6 or below will take on
> water because it was not designed not to.
>
>
>
> These are consequential specifications. You'd better believe your telco or
> cable competition has minimum environmental requirements as a rule. Are you
> any less serious a player in your market? Control those variables within
> your control.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> National Sales Director | Telrad Networks Ltd.
>
> *M* 727.501.3735 *|* *Skype* pleary
>
> 
>
> See us on [image: cid:image007.png@01CECEFE.8A880C70]
> 
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