Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Jason Mueller]

Gary,

Assuming you are doing "enterprise" (802.1X) authentication with your  
WPA setup, Apple Bug ID 5560437 identifies an issue where the Mac  
*sometimes* does not respond to EAP identity requests until the  
wireless interface is bounced. It is my understanding that the  
authentication client is *sometimes* not properly running after  
startup and bouncing the interface "resets" the authentication client  
(and is the current workaround according to Apple). Our experience has  
improved with 10.5.2, but we are still experiencing some problems and  
the bug is not resolved as my last bug update from Apple on 2/16.


-Jason

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On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Landau, Gary wrote:

We're seeing issues with Macs running the new Leopard (v10.5) OS.   
They would lose connectivity to our Cisco LWAPP (WPA authentication)  
wireless network.  The only way to resolve it has been to disable  
and re-enable the wireless NICs.  Apple came out with an OS patch (I  
think it is v10.5.2) that is supposed to correct some wireless  
problems, but I don't know yet if this loss of connectivity problem  
is one that got corrected.


-Gary

Gary Landau, CISSP, GSNA, CCNP
Director of Infrastructure Technology
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Information Technology
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RE: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Jon Freeman]

Fyi - the APs require a fix as well, only Apple Airports and one other AP 
vendor have made the ESS fixes that I am aware of.

Regards,
Jon
303-808-2666


 -Original Message-
From:   Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject:Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

Thanks, Phil. I knew 10.5.2 was coming, just didn't realize it was
actually here. It is frustrating that something that's 190 MB in size
(the 10.5.2 "patch") has so little real information available on it. I
dig around on several Mac forums to no avail, and find Apple's site to
be almost worthless in this respect- does anyone know where any real
detail on Mac updates might be available? 
 
Also- am seeing just as many trouble reports as fixes attributed to
10.5.2 during random searches- hopefully it really does help and not set
us back even further.
 
Lee
 


From: Phil Trivilino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:04 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
Lee
We have seen lots of failure to authenticate to our Cisco LWAPP system
on startup by MAC OSX 10.5 - the recent release of 10.5.2 seems to have
"fixed" that.  Other MAC users across campus report improvements in
wireless functionality on their Macs since the update.  Sorry I do not
have more specific information.
 
Phil
 
From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
There is a known condition with wireless Macs where the adapter clings
to bad 11a cells, even when better 11g is available- we are struggling a
bit with this in certain spots right now. I'm also getting a sense that
the newer Mac laptops (both MacBookPro and Air) that have 11n built in
may be somewhat dodgy on our Cisco LWAPP network, though so far the
evidence is circumstantial at best. Is anyone else seeing Mac-specific
wireless issues?
 
 
Regards-
 
Lee
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003
 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Julian Y. Koh]

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At 13:44 -0500 2/19/2008, Lee H Badman wrote:
> does anyone know where any real detail on Mac updates might be available?

The most detailed release notes for non-developers are at
 for the OS X 10.5.2
update.  Note that security-related notes are at another URL,
.

Even then, though, the wireless improvements are listed as:

>AirPort
>   ?   Improves connection reliability and stability
>   ?   Includes 802.1X improvements.
>   ?   Resolves certain kernel panics.



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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Lee H Badman]

To reply to myself- here is one link that details getting past new
wireless problems that might come after upgrading to 10.5.2:
 
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4993837
 
 
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003


From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
Thanks, Phil. I knew 10.5.2 was coming, just didn't realize it was
actually here. It is frustrating that something that's 190 MB in size
(the 10.5.2 "patch") has so little real information available on it. I
dig around on several Mac forums to no avail, and find Apple's site to
be almost worthless in this respect- does anyone know where any real
detail on Mac updates might be available? 
 
Also- am seeing just as many trouble reports as fixes attributed to
10.5.2 during random searches- hopefully it really does help and not set
us back even further.
 
Lee
 


From: Phil Trivilino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:04 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
Lee
We have seen lots of failure to authenticate to our Cisco LWAPP system
on startup by MAC OSX 10.5 - the recent release of 10.5.2 seems to have
"fixed" that.  Other MAC users across campus report improvements in
wireless functionality on their Macs since the update.  Sorry I do not
have more specific information.
 
Phil
 
From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
There is a known condition with wireless Macs where the adapter clings
to bad 11a cells, even when better 11g is available- we are struggling a
bit with this in certain spots right now. I'm also getting a sense that
the newer Mac laptops (both MacBookPro and Air) that have 11n built in
may be somewhat dodgy on our Cisco LWAPP network, though so far the
evidence is circumstantial at best. Is anyone else seeing Mac-specific
wireless issues?
 
 
Regards-
 
Lee
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003
 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Lee H Badman]

Thanks, Phil. I knew 10.5.2 was coming, just didn't realize it was
actually here. It is frustrating that something that's 190 MB in size
(the 10.5.2 "patch") has so little real information available on it. I
dig around on several Mac forums to no avail, and find Apple's site to
be almost worthless in this respect- does anyone know where any real
detail on Mac updates might be available? 
 
Also- am seeing just as many trouble reports as fixes attributed to
10.5.2 during random searches- hopefully it really does help and not set
us back even further.
 
Lee
 


From: Phil Trivilino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:04 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
Lee
We have seen lots of failure to authenticate to our Cisco LWAPP system
on startup by MAC OSX 10.5 - the recent release of 10.5.2 seems to have
"fixed" that.  Other MAC users across campus report improvements in
wireless functionality on their Macs since the update.  Sorry I do not
have more specific information.
 
Phil
 
From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues
 
There is a known condition with wireless Macs where the adapter clings
to bad 11a cells, even when better 11g is available- we are struggling a
bit with this in certain spots right now. I'm also getting a sense that
the newer Mac laptops (both MacBookPro and Air) that have 11n built in
may be somewhat dodgy on our Cisco LWAPP network, though so far the
evidence is circumstantial at best. Is anyone else seeing Mac-specific
wireless issues?
 
 
Regards-
 
Lee
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003
 
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Phil Trivilino]

Lee

We have seen lots of failure to authenticate to our Cisco LWAPP system on
startup by MAC OSX 10.5 - the recent release of 10.5.2 seems to have "fixed"
that.  Other MAC users across campus report improvements in wireless
functionality on their Macs since the update.  Sorry I do not have more
specific information.

 

Phil

 

From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:14 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

 

There is a known condition with wireless Macs where the adapter clings to
bad 11a cells, even when better 11g is available- we are struggling a bit
with this in certain spots right now. I'm also getting a sense that the
newer Mac laptops (both MacBookPro and Air) that have 11n built in may be
somewhat dodgy on our Cisco LWAPP network, though so far the evidence is
circumstantial at best. Is anyone else seeing Mac-specific wireless issues?

 

 

Regards-

 

Lee

 

Lee H. Badman

Wireless/Network Engineer

Information Technology and Services

Syracuse University

315 443-3003

 

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues

[Landau, Gary]

We're seeing issues with Macs running the new Leopard (v10.5) OS.  They
would lose connectivity to our Cisco LWAPP (WPA authentication) wireless
network.  The only way to resolve it has been to disable and re-enable
the wireless NICs.  Apple came out with an OS patch (I think it is
v10.5.2) that is supposed to correct some wireless problems, but I don't
know yet if this loss of connectivity problem is one that got corrected.
 
-Gary
 
Gary Landau, CISSP, GSNA, CCNP 
Director of Infrastructure Technology
---
Loyola Marymount University
Information Technology
One LMU Drive | Los Angeles, CA 90045
p.310.338.4434  f.310.338.2326
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://it.lmu.edu
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From: Lee H Badman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:14 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Mac issues


There is a known condition with wireless Macs where the adapter clings
to bad 11a cells, even when better 11g is available- we are struggling a
bit with this in certain spots right now. I'm also getting a sense that
the newer Mac laptops (both MacBookPro and Air) that have 11n built in
may be somewhat dodgy on our Cisco LWAPP network, though so far the
evidence is circumstantial at best. Is anyone else seeing Mac-specific
wireless issues?
 
 
Regards-
 
Lee
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003
 
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Mac issues

[Lee H Badman]

There is a known condition with wireless Macs where the adapter clings
to bad 11a cells, even when better 11g is available- we are struggling a
bit with this in certain spots right now. I'm also getting a sense that
the newer Mac laptops (both MacBookPro and Air) that have 11n built in
may be somewhat dodgy on our Cisco LWAPP network, though so far the
evidence is circumstantial at best. Is anyone else seeing Mac-specific
wireless issues?
 
 
Regards-
 
Lee
 
Lee H. Badman
Wireless/Network Engineer
Information Technology and Services
Syracuse University
315 443-3003
 

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