Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] wireless printers in dorms

[Adam Forsyth]

I wasn't intending to suggest a policy banning 2.4Ghz or saying that I
wanted to stop offering service in that band.  Just thinking out loud of a
policy that we'd make our best effort to make 2.4Ghz work, but 5Ghz would
be the better performing more reliable networkI guess though, policy or
not that's already how things are working out due to the nature of both
bands and Rogue consumer devices.

Also I suppose short of banning 2.4Ghz, it's hard to get student's
attention to get them to buy 5Ghz capable computers, but I agree banning
2.4Ghz would cause many complaints.

Does anyone have methods that you've used that have been successful in
educating students to make the choice to spend a few extra dollars for dual
band wireless when they're purchasing a new laptop?


On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Osborne, Bruce W wrote:

> Banning 2.4 GHz would ban a large portion of the consumer PCs and mobile
> devices and all current game consoles.
>
> I know that would not work here. We initially only offered IPTV on 5GHz n
> and had to expand the offering to 2.4GHz due to complaints from students.
> Excluding game consoles would also be a very big issue here.
>
> Bruce Osborne
> Network Engineer
> IT Network Services
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> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Forsyth [mailto:forsy...@luther.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:41 PM
> Subject: Re: wireless printers in dorms
>
> Has anyone declared 2.4Ghz hopeless and made a policy declaring that users
> that want a working well performing wireless network connection need to
> make arrangements to connect to the 5Ghz network?  If a policy like that
> could fly, then it would be easier to run a 5Ghz network with great
> performance for all of the laptops to connect to.  2.4Ghz could become a
> best effort waste land polluted by all of the printers with their rogue
> ssid's, slowed down by the wii's that insist on making 802.11B connections
> before they'll make 802.11G connections, interfered with by the bluetooth,
> wifi-direct, etc.
>
> Of course, I guess this is only a good idea until 5Ghz becomes the new
> 2.4Ghz.  I suppose it's probably only a matter of time until devices like
> printers have dual band radios and can cause 5Ghz problems too.
>
> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Tom O'Donnell  wrote:
> > I left out a couple factors... I don't know if the printers are
> > printing wirelessly, or that students even intend them to. They just
> > show up with wireless enabled, and whatever education we've done on
> > the subject doesn't seem to help.
> >
> > Sometimes we'll find a printer and the person has a USB cable. "Nope,
> > I'm not using wireless on my printer, just the USB." But they don't
> > realize the wireless is on.
> >
> > We don't intend for them to work, at any rate. We prohibit it, but
> > going door to door hasn't worked completely. Word gets around the
> > dorms, and students hide their printers :)
> >
> > --
> > Tom O'Donnell
> > Senior Manager of Network and Server Systems Information Technology
> > Services University of Maine at Farmington
> > (207) 778-7336
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
> >> On Oct 30, 2012, at 13:53 , Tom O'Donnell 
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering how other schools handle wireless printers in the
> >>> dorms.  This seems to be the year everyone showed up with one, and
> >>> they're causing connectivity problems in our 2.4GHz space.
> >>
> >> How well do the printers work anyway wirelessly?  Depending on the
> service advertisement protocols and printing protocols used, the client
> types, your authentication requirements (since most printers don't do
> WPA2-Enterprise/802.1X) and your subnetting/address assignment scheme, I
> wonder how successful people are at actually getting these things to work
> anyway.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Manager, Network Transport, Telecommunications and Network Services
> >> Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT)
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO)

[Lee H Badman]

I am doing the Cancun thing, yes. Hoping to see some other higher ed types in 
the mix:)



Lee H. Badman
Network Architect/Wireless TME
ITS, Syracuse University
315.443.3003

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Mike King [m...@mpking.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:12 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO)

Your going to Cancun, Lee?

I'm hoping to make it out to Orlando for Cisco Live next June.

Mike


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Lee H Badman 
mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote:
I will be at Cisco Live, but wish you all a good meeting and kind regards.


-Lee Badman

On Nov 2, 2012, at 19:25, "Hanset, Philippe C" 
mailto:phan...@utk.edu>> wrote:

> The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20 
> Mountain Time, room 402.
>
> Topics that come to mind:
>
> -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump?
> -How to empower users with Bonjour needs?
> (or consequences for not doing it)
> -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean for us?
> (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?)
>
> Any other topic you want us to discuss?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Have a good Weekend,
>
> Philippe
>
> Univ. of TN
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] See you at Educause…(Denver, CO)

[Mike King]

Your going to Cancun, Lee?

I'm hoping to make it out to Orlando for Cisco Live next June.

Mike


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Lee H Badman  wrote:

> I will be at Cisco Live, but wish you all a good meeting and kind regards.
>
>
> -Lee Badman
>
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 19:25, "Hanset, Philippe C"  wrote:
>
> > The Wireless-LAN session is on Wednesday Nov 7, from 10:30 till 11:20
> Mountain Time, room 402.
> >
> > Topics that come to mind:
> >
> > -802.11AC Why wait? Why jump?
> > -How to empower users with Bonjour needs?
> > (or consequences for not doing it)
> > -Is Wireless management slowly moving to the switch? What does it mean
> for us?
> > (Will it all work with openflow seamlessly?)
> >
> > Any other topic you want us to discuss?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Have a good Weekend,
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > Univ. of TN
> >
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