Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Tristan Gulyas 
Hi,

We’ve definitely found this with hallway deployments - technically hallway 
deployments are not ideal, especially in long corridors where we will exceed 
the amount of non-overlapping channels (in the case of 2.4GHz).  We run ours at 
full power (and in an RF profile which mandates this) which has given us the 
best bang for buck installation.

Tristan

On 1 Nov 2013, at 10:35 am, Chris Murphy  wrote:

> We also started with hallway deployments, but have had the same experience 
> with the controllers basing their settings on an open environment.  So into 
> the rooms the APs go...
> 
> -Chris
> 
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Jeff Kell  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/31/2013 6:53 PM, Andy Page wrote:
>>> We are able to put APs in rooms if we wanted, but opted to put them in 
>>> hallways to limit the amount we would need to deploy, as well as making 
>>> replacements easier. We will occasionally put an access point in a room if 
>>> we have to, but it not typically necessary.
>> 
>> We have had some issues with APs in hallways, especially 5Ghz coverage.  If 
>> you use a "managed" RF coverage (we have Aruba), the hallway APs tend to 
>> lower their power (because of the strong neighboring signals), causing some 
>> issues on the fringes of the rooms.
>> 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Andy Page 
We haven't had too much trouble with hallway deployments, but I make sure to 
keep a close eye on channel utilization and make manual adjustments as needed.

Andy


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We also started with hallway deployments, but have had the same experience with 
the controllers basing their settings on an open environment.  So into the 
rooms the APs go...

-Chris

On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Jeff Kell  wrote:

> On 10/31/2013 6:53 PM, Andy Page wrote:
>> We are able to put APs in rooms if we wanted, but opted to put them in 
>> hallways to limit the amount we would need to deploy, as well as making 
>> replacements easier. We will occasionally put an access point in a room if 
>> we have to, but it not typically necessary.
>
> We have had some issues with APs in hallways, especially 5Ghz coverage.  If 
> you use a "managed" RF coverage (we have Aruba), the hallway APs tend to 
> lower their power (because of the strong neighboring signals), causing some 
> issues on the fringes of the rooms.
>
> Jeff
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Chris Murphy 
We also started with hallway deployments, but have had the same experience with 
the controllers basing their settings on an open environment.  So into the 
rooms the APs go...

-Chris

On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:04 PM, Jeff Kell  wrote:

> On 10/31/2013 6:53 PM, Andy Page wrote:
>> We are able to put APs in rooms if we wanted, but opted to put them in 
>> hallways to limit the amount we would need to deploy, as well as making 
>> replacements easier. We will occasionally put an access point in a room if 
>> we have to, but it not typically necessary.
> 
> We have had some issues with APs in hallways, especially 5Ghz coverage.  If 
> you use a "managed" RF coverage (we have Aruba), the hallway APs tend to 
> lower their power (because of the strong neighboring signals), causing some 
> issues on the fringes of the rooms.
> 
> Jeff
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Frank Sweetser 
I've found that now that students live and die by wireless, self preservation 
keeps them from touching the access points. We've had them in our dorms for 
close to 10 years, and haven't had any vandalized yet.
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Kitri Waterman  wrote:
>I'm curious to hear how folks are handling APs in their dorms including
>with outside contractors like Apogee? Are you able to put APs in the
>dorm room themselves or are you restricted to the hallways? How do you
>protect the APs from normal student wear and tear?
>
>
>Kitri Waterman
>--
>Network Engineer
>University of Oregon
>
>On 10/31/13 2:43 PM, Trusner, Ms. Jamie wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Apogee provides all the WiFi infrastructure for our Res Halls here at
>> Tarleton State University.  We are very happy with the service and
>the
>> support they provide.  Internally, we are a Cisco shop but  Apogee is
>> using an Aruba solution.  We were impressed with both the speed and
>> ease of the installation. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>>  
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>> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee
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>>
>> Has anyone had experience with outsourcing their WiFi infrastructure
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>> information you may have.
>>
>>  
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Jeff Kell 
On 10/31/2013 6:53 PM, Andy Page wrote:
> We are able to put APs in rooms if we wanted, but opted to put them in
> hallways to limit the amount we would need to deploy, as well as
> making replacements easier. We will occasionally put an access point
> in a room if we have to, but it not typically necessary.

We have had some issues with APs in hallways, especially 5Ghz coverage. 
If you use a "managed" RF coverage (we have Aruba), the hallway APs tend
to lower their power (because of the strong neighboring signals),
causing some issues on the fringes of the rooms.

Jeff

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Andy Page 
We are able to put APs in rooms if we wanted, but opted to put them in hallways 
to limit the amount we would need to deploy, as well as making replacements 
easier. We will occasionally put an access point in a room if we have to, but 
it not typically necessary.

We have been lucky so far, students don't mess with the access points. In the 
last 5 years, I can only think of one instance of a stolen access point, and 
none have been destroyed.

Andy Page
Notre Dame

On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:37 PM, "Kitri Waterman" 
mailto:ki...@uoregon.edu>> wrote:

I'm curious to hear how folks are handling APs in their dorms including with 
outside contractors like Apogee? Are you able to put APs in the dorm room 
themselves or are you restricted to the hallways? How do you protect the APs 
from normal student wear and tear?


Kitri Waterman
--
Network Engineer
University of Oregon

On 10/31/13 2:43 PM, Trusner, Ms. Jamie wrote:
Hi Andy,

Apogee provides all the WiFi infrastructure for our Res Halls here at Tarleton 
State University.  We are very happy with the service and the support they 
provide.  Internally, we are a Cisco shop but  Apogee is using an Aruba 
solution.  We were impressed with both the speed and ease of the installation.

Jamie

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Information Technology Services
Tarleton State University
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

Has anyone had experience with outsourcing their WiFi infrastructure to Apogee, 
or perhaps explored this option? Interested in any information you may have.

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Rick Brown 
We did a pilot this semester with an Aruba AP with extra wired ports on the AP 
in every room.  So far so good.   The AP's are on a list of items that is 
checked at the end of the semester.  If they are missing or damaged by the 
student then they are responsible.  So far the only issues are them getting 
unplugged,  but they have to tamper with them to do that.  Again if they are 
damaged..

Rick

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Kitri Waterman  wrote:

> I'm curious to hear how folks are handling APs in their dorms including with 
> outside contractors like Apogee? Are you able to put APs in the dorm room 
> themselves or are you restricted to the hallways? How do you protect the APs 
> from normal student wear and tear?
> 
> 
> Kitri Waterman
> --
> Network Engineer
> University of Oregon
> 
> On 10/31/13 2:43 PM, Trusner, Ms. Jamie wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>>  
>> Apogee provides all the WiFi infrastructure for our Res Halls here at 
>> Tarleton State University.  We are very happy with the service and the 
>> support they provide.  Internally, we are a Cisco shop but  Apogee is using 
>> an Aruba solution.  We were impressed with both the speed and ease of the 
>> installation. 
>>  
>> Jamie
>>  
>> Jamie Trusner
>> Networks & Communications Manager
>> Information Technology Services
>> Tarleton State University
>> 254-968-9900
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>>  
>> Has anyone had experience with outsourcing their WiFi infrastructure to 
>> Apogee, or perhaps explored this option? Interested in any information you 
>> may have.
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Kitri Waterman 
I'm curious to hear how folks are handling APs in their dorms including
with outside contractors like Apogee? Are you able to put APs in the
dorm room themselves or are you restricted to the hallways? How do you
protect the APs from normal student wear and tear?


Kitri Waterman
--
Network Engineer
University of Oregon

On 10/31/13 2:43 PM, Trusner, Ms. Jamie wrote:
>
> Hi Andy,
>
>  
>
> Apogee provides all the WiFi infrastructure for our Res Halls here at
> Tarleton State University.  We are very happy with the service and the
> support they provide.  Internally, we are a Cisco shop but  Apogee is
> using an Aruba solution.  We were impressed with both the speed and
> ease of the installation. 
>
>  
>
> Jamie
>
>  
>
> Jamie Trusner
>
> Networks & Communications Manager
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Tarleton State University
>
> 254-968-9900
>
>  
>
> / /
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> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> 
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee
>
>  
>
> Has anyone had experience with outsourcing their WiFi infrastructure
> to Apogee, or perhaps explored this option? Interested in any
> information you may have.
>
>  
>
> Andy
>
>  
>
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FW: Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Trusner, Ms. Jamie 
Hi Andy,

Apogee provides all the WiFi infrastructure for our Res Halls here at Tarleton 
State University.  We are very happy with the service and the support they 
provide.  Internally, we are a Cisco shop but  Apogee is using an Aruba 
solution.  We were impressed with both the speed and ease of the installation.

Jamie

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Tarleton State University
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

Has anyone had experience with outsourcing their WiFi infrastructure to Apogee, 
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Well its about time!

2013-10-31 Thread Peter P Morrissey 
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/10/faa-ban-lifted/

I never did understand that one.

Pete Morrissey

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Technology Conusltant Job at SU

2013-10-31 Thread Peter P Morrissey 
In case anyone is interested:
https://www.sujobopps.com/postings/52177

Regards,
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Director of Networking
Syracuse University

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Outsourcing WiFi to Apogee

2013-10-31 Thread Andy Page 
Has anyone had experience with outsourcing their WiFi infrastructure to Apogee, 
or perhaps explored this option? Interested in any information you may have.

Andy

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