RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

[Jennifer Francis Wilson]

And of course having just installed your multi thousand AP wireless network, 
fully surveyed and planned for data only (as agreed in the scope), you then get 
told that it will now need to support Lync 2013 VOIP clients on thousands of 
staff mobiles/cell phones...sigh.


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Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

[Kees Pronk]

Hi Jennifer,

Agreed that these are different requirements but IMHO a well designed HD data 
WLAN has much of the characteristics of a VOIP wlan although especially roaming 
is quite a beast to tame...

-Kees

>>> Jennifer Francis Wilson  12/13/2013 10:50  >>>
And of course having just installed your multi thousand AP wireless network, 
fully surveyed and planned for data only (as agreed in the scope), you then get 
told that it will now need to support Lync 2013 VOIP clients on thousands of 
staff mobiles/cell phones...sigh.


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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

[Jennifer Francis Wilson]

Granted, but then you have to try and explain to senior management that most 
Android phones don't even do Fast roaming (I only know of one for certain that 
supports 802.11r).

Jen.

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kees Pronk
Sent: 13 December 2013 12:15
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

Hi Jennifer,

Agreed that these are different requirements but IMHO a well designed HD data 
WLAN has much of the characteristics of a VOIP wlan although especially roaming 
is quite a beast to tame...

-Kees

>>> Jennifer Francis Wilson  12/13/2013 10:50  >>>
And of course having just installed your multi thousand AP wireless network, 
fully surveyed and planned for data only (as agreed in the scope), you then get 
told that it will now need to support Lync 2013 VOIP clients on thousands of 
staff mobiles/cell phones...sigh.


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RE: WiFi planning

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)]

Aruba Networks has them too. Single radio Wi-Fi APs tend to be less expensive 
too.

Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer – Wireless Team
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

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-Original Message-
From: James Andrewartha [mailto:jandrewar...@ccgs.wa.edu.au] 
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: WiFi planning

On 13/12/13 07:40, Frank Sweetser wrote:
> In certain areas, sure. One more thing we're going to have to divine 
> from our tea leaves is which areas only need coverage, and which need 
> the extra money sunk in for high capacity. Unfortunately, all it takes 
> is a professor who wants in class laptop survey software getting 
> scheduled in the wrong room to blow up your original plan.
> 
> Personally, I'm still waiting for a vendor to release an AP with dual 
> 5GHz radios, so I can just buy one of those to add capacity in that 
> band instead of buying two dual band units and turning the 2.4 radio off.

Some vendors have APs with radios that can work on either 2.4 or 5GHz.
Meru and Xirrus are the ones that come to mind, I can't remember if any other 
vendors offer that.

--
James Andrewartha
Network & Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eapol-Rate-Optimization

[Walter Reynolds]

So are you saying that the OSCP/CRL checking is done every time you connect
to a new AP and this is causing up to a 30 second delay for people?

Just want to make sure I understand it.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Marcelo Lew  wrote:

>  Yes on both.
>
> It is unclear to me however why a Mac would check crl when roaming between
> WAPs.  Seems like a bug to me.
>
>
>
> [image: email signature]
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Osborne, Bruce W
> (Network Services)
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 05, 2013 7:20 AM
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eapol-Rate-Optimization
>
>
>
> Are you sure the CRL server is accessible from the client? Turning off
> that check sound like added security risk.
>
>
>
> *From:* Marcelo Lew [mailto:marcelo@du.edu ]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 4, 2013 11:32 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Eapol-Rate-Optimization
>
>
>
> We also tried “EAPOL-rate-opt”.  It did help with the Mac roaming issue,
> but it adds too much overhead and affects throughput quite a bit.  We are
> on 6.3.1.1, and I still see the issue (testing on Macbook running
> Mavericks).  Only fix that worked (per user fix) for us, is unchecking OCSP
> and CRL under keychain/preferences/certificates.
>
>
>
>
>
> Marcelo
>
>
>
> Marcelo Lew
>
> Wireless Network Architect & Engineer
>
> University Technology Services
>
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>
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>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Kell
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:44 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eapol-Rate-Optimization
>
>
>
> On 12/3/2013 9:34 PM, Wright, Don wrote:
>
> Just curious, have any Aruba shops tried enabling "EAPOL rate
> optimization" to try helping with the Apple roaming/dropping issue?  It's a
> new setting in 6.1 and while it didn't help in my testing, I've heard
> others have had success with it.  Would someone care to update with details?
>
>
> We have had issues with MacOS devices and roaming.  Three "variables" were
> suggested - OKC, PMKID, and EAPOL-rate-opt.
>
> We had OKC / PMKID both enabled, no EAPOL-rate-opt, and "interval between
> ID requests" at 30 seconds.  Wandering around a well-covered building with
> a MacOS laptop pinging a fixed target and it would disassociate /
> reassociate / reauthenticate with significant delay in between; Windows
> laptop did not have this issue (maybe drop a packet or two between roaming
> targets).  We tried disabling OKC by itself, but it seemed to make no
> difference.  This was discussed on the list before so I'll not repeat the
> whole issue.
>
> We tried the EAPOL-rate-opt, and we would drop a handful of pings, but
> essentially keep a connection intact.  So yes, it did appear to help.  It's
> not 100% still (is anything wireless ever 100%?) but was a solid
> improvement over the previous case.
>
> We're still "grabbing at straws" to improve the mobility, and hoping
> perhaps the "sticky client" voodoo in 6.3 might help the issue as well.
>
> Jeff
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

[Mike King]

Oh?  Which one?  I was only aware of the Iphone doing 802.11r.

Mike


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jennifer Francis Wilson <
jfwils...@uclan.ac.uk> wrote:

> Granted, but then you have to try and explain to senior management that
> most Android phones don't even do Fast roaming (I only know of one for
> certain that supports 802.11r).
>
> Jen.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kees Pronk
> Sent: 13 December 2013 12:15
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
>
> Hi Jennifer,
>
> Agreed that these are different requirements but IMHO a well designed HD
> data WLAN has much of the characteristics of a VOIP wlan although
> especially roaming is quite a beast to tame...
>
> -Kees
>
> >>> Jennifer Francis Wilson  12/13/2013 10:50  >>>
> And of course having just installed your multi thousand AP wireless
> network, fully surveyed and planned for data only (as agreed in the scope),
> you then get told that it will now need to support Lync 2013 VOIP clients
> on thousands of staff mobiles/cell phones...sigh.
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

[Jennifer Francis Wilson]

Huawei G526

See this link for a recent discussion (Nov 27 2013) post #10 where 
alab@gmail contacted Huawei and they told them about it and provided a demo 
unit which worked. The user subsequently ordered 40 of them and they work fine 
apparently.

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17972

Jen.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike King
Sent: 13 December 2013 13:42
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

Oh?  Which one?  I was only aware of the Iphone doing 802.11r.

Mike

On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Jennifer Francis Wilson 
mailto:jfwils...@uclan.ac.uk>> wrote:
Granted, but then you have to try and explain to senior management that most 
Android phones don't even do Fast roaming (I only know of one for certain that 
supports 802.11r).

Jen.

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]
 On Behalf Of Kees Pronk
Sent: 13 December 2013 12:15
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning

Hi Jennifer,

Agreed that these are different requirements but IMHO a well designed HD data 
WLAN has much of the characteristics of a VOIP wlan although especially roaming 
is quite a beast to tame...

-Kees

>>> Jennifer Francis Wilson 
>>> mailto:jfwils...@uclan.ac.uk>> 12/13/2013 10:50  >>>
And of course having just installed your multi thousand AP wireless network, 
fully surveyed and planned for data only (as agreed in the scope), you then get 
told that it will now need to support Lync 2013 VOIP clients on thousands of 
staff mobiles/cell phones...sigh.


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Wireless Adapters

[Hector J Rios]

We are embarking on a project to try to educate our user population on the 
importance of having dual-band wireless adapters. We've had documentation on 
our website where we let them know what the minimum requirements should be, but 
we've seen that this has not been effective. We have always supported both 
bands on our wireless network, but we have also seen that there are still a lot 
of devices out there that only use 2.4. In talking to some students, I find 
that most of them will go for the most affordable laptop, and do make sure that 
their device has wireless, but that does not necessarily mean that it will be 
dual band.

I wonder what you have done? Do you have information that you can share?

Thanks,

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Adapters

[Walter Reynolds]

We are trying to work with our campus store to make sure they do not stock
2.4 only devices.  While this does not cover the majority who purchase
online or off site, it is one piece.  This also goes along with purchasing
options for campus units so they do not do the same thing when purchasing
for staff.



Walter Reynolds
Principal Systems Security Development Engineer
Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
(734) 615-9438


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Hector J Rios  wrote:

>  We are embarking on a project to try to educate our user population on
> the importance of having dual-band wireless adapters. We’ve had
> documentation on our website where we let them know what the minimum
> requirements should be, but we’ve seen that this has not been effective. We
> have always supported both bands on our wireless network, but we have also
> seen that there are still a lot of devices out there that only use 2.4. In
> talking to some students, I find that most of them will go for the most
> affordable laptop, and do make sure that their device has wireless, but
> that does not necessarily mean that it will be dual band.
>
>
>
> I wonder what you have done? Do you have information that you can share?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Hector Rios
>
> Louisiana State University
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WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi

[Barros, Jacob]

I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz.  Thank you all for
your feed back.  Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a concept
that may seem heretical.

In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed
students to bring in their own router(s).  From a managed perspective,
there are several reasons why it's a bad idea.  However I cannot shake the
notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks.

To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service
they want where they want it.  The user can chose what device is desired
and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current.  IT would
help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is
ultimately responsible.

I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is being
built.  Does anyone think this model can work?




Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi

[Coehoorn, Joel]

Through contacts at my alma mater, I know they were doing what you describe
until this year. This is their first year with a managed wifi deployment. I
don't know how happy they are with the new system, but I can tell you they
had a lot of complaints under the old method.


  Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



 *The mission of York College is to transform lives through
Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society*



On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Barros, Jacob  wrote:

> I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz.  Thank you all
> for your feed back.  Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a
> concept that may seem heretical.
>
> In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed
> students to bring in their own router(s).  From a managed perspective,
> there are several reasons why it's a bad idea.  However I cannot shake the
> notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks.
>
> To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service
> they want where they want it.  The user can chose what device is desired
> and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current.  IT would
> help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is
> ultimately responsible.
>
> I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is
> being built.  Does anyone think this model can work?
>
>
>
>
> Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi

[Coehoorn, Joel]

I forgot to add: that institution is about 5000 residential undergrads,
about 12 residence halls, and about 40/60 apartment vs dormitory.


  Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



 *The mission of York College is to transform lives through
Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society*



On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Coehoorn, Joel  wrote:

> Through contacts at my alma mater, I know they were doing what you
> describe until this year. This is their first year with a managed wifi
> deployment. I don't know how happy they are with the new system, but I can
> tell you they had a lot of complaints under the old method.
>
>
>   Joel Coehoorn
> Director of Information Technology
> York College, Nebraska
> 402.363.5603
> jcoeho...@york.edu
>
>
>
>  *The mission of York College is to transform lives through
> Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
> God, family, and society*
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Barros, Jacob wrote:
>
>> I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz.  Thank you all
>> for your feed back.  Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a
>> concept that may seem heretical.
>>
>> In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed
>> students to bring in their own router(s).  From a managed perspective,
>> there are several reasons why it's a bad idea.  However I cannot shake the
>> notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks.
>>
>> To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of
>> service they want where they want it.  The user can chose what device is
>> desired and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current.
>>  IT would help with best practices, education and limited support but the
>> student is ultimately responsible.
>>
>> I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is
>> being built.  Does anyone think this model can work?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
>> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi

[mike . albano]

Sounds like a bad idea.Most SOHO routers/ap's you pick up at bestbuy/fry's run at max Tx power and have lowest supported data-rate of 1Mbps. Your 2.4GHz RF will be likely be unusable. ResHalls are even worse (RF-wise) than apartments, as they are much closer together. Let me know if you'd like me to expand on this but I'd say the following will greatly impact the usability if each suite/room has it's own soho ap:*CCI*ACI (with no channel plan, these devices will be on more than just 1,6,11)*Security (even w/ WPA2-PSK, most of these devices support the broken WPS)My experience is you either pay up-front (in $ or staff-time) to properly survey, or you pay on the back-end in troubleshooting. You are right about Education though. Regardless of the direction you choose, get signage, put it on the welcome packet etc. etc. Setting expectations has helped us a lot, especially when there's a MWO in every room and we are @ 50% 2.4GHz-only clients.Mike AlbanoUNLV-The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv  wrote: -To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUFrom: "Barros, Jacob" Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv Date: 12/13/2013 09:36AMSubject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifiI didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz.  Thank you all for your feed back.  Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a concept that may seem heretical.
In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed students to bring in their own router(s).  From a managed perspective, there are several reasons why it's a bad idea.  However I cannot shake the notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks.  
To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service they want where they want it.  The user can chose what device is desired and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current.  IT would help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is ultimately responsible.
I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is being built.  Does anyone think this model can work?Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi

[Britton Anderson]

For new residence halls, I would really push the 702W AP. They're not
actually out yet, but depending on how far out you are you could still
account for them in your plan.

If you haven't seen them yet,
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps12968/data_sheet_c78-728968.html

Each AP is dual band, has a 4 port switch built in. Almost like a SOHO
router, but you get the added bonus to be able to manage it through your
WLC's, and PoE powered. And at 2dBm at the lowest power level, you can
contain the broadcast area. And if your res halls are anything like ours
with the walls made of concrete, signals should go beyond each room.



Britton Anderson  |  Senior Network Communications
Specialist |  Office of Information Technology  |
 907.450.8250


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Mike Albano  wrote:

> Sounds like a bad idea.
> Most SOHO routers/ap's you pick up at bestbuy/fry's run at max Tx power
> and have lowest supported data-rate of 1Mbps. Your 2.4GHz RF will be likely
> be unusable. ResHalls are even worse (RF-wise) than apartments, as they are
> much closer together.
> Let me know if you'd like me to expand on this but I'd say the following
> will greatly impact the usability if each suite/room has it's own soho ap:
> *CCI
> *ACI (with no channel plan, these devices will be on more than just 1,6,11)
> *Security (even w/ WPA2-PSK, most of these devices support the broken WPS)
>
> My experience is you either pay up-front (in $ or staff-time) to properly
> survey, or you pay on the back-end in troubleshooting.
>
> You are right about Education though. Regardless of the direction you
> choose, get signage, put it on the welcome packet etc. etc. Setting
> expectations has helped us a lot, especially when there's a MWO in every
> room and we are @ 50% 2.4GHz-only clients.
>
> Mike Albano
> UNLV
>
> -The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> wrote: -
>
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> From: "Barros, Jacob" 
> Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> Date: 12/13/2013 09:36AM
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
>
>
> I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz.  Thank you all
> for your feed back.  Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a
> concept that may seem heretical.
>
> In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed
> students to bring in their own router(s).  From a managed perspective,
> there are several reasons why it's a bad idea.  However I cannot shake the
> notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks.
>
> To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service
> they want where they want it.  The user can chose what device is desired
> and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current.  IT would
> help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is
> ultimately responsible.
>
> I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is
> being built.  Does anyone think this model can work?
>
>
>
>
> Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi

[Jesse Safran]

Jacob,

My former employer, Green Mountain College, did this.  We had about 600-700
on campus students.  Most housing was old school dormitory with concrete
block.  We couldn't afford to roll wifi everywhere in one shot and the
school was not proactive in running wireless before the mobile device craze
got started (they used to tell everyone to wire their laptops).

So, here is what we did to accommodate:

   - Allowed students to bring wireless routers and APs, only in dormitory
   areas. (usability)
   - Blocked NAT'ing at the NAC level. (to make sure each device was
   registered, not just the AP)
   - Configured APs for anyone who was blocked and could not figure it out
   themselves.  Students were well aware there was a 2 "business day" lead.
   Only one person worked on them (me), but it was still very doable.  The
   most we had at one time was about 35 during the first week of school.
   - Strongly suggested password protecting and required it on any device
   we configured.

It went surprisingly well.  I know the performance of the network was
nothing close to what could have been provided if we had our own APs, but
our students were thrilled to have wireless they could use somewhere other
than the library or student union.

Let me know if you have other questions.

-Jesse


On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Mike Albano  wrote:

> Sounds like a bad idea.
> Most SOHO routers/ap's you pick up at bestbuy/fry's run at max Tx power
> and have lowest supported data-rate of 1Mbps. Your 2.4GHz RF will be likely
> be unusable. ResHalls are even worse (RF-wise) than apartments, as they are
> much closer together.
> Let me know if you'd like me to expand on this but I'd say the following
> will greatly impact the usability if each suite/room has it's own soho ap:
> *CCI
> *ACI (with no channel plan, these devices will be on more than just 1,6,11)
> *Security (even w/ WPA2-PSK, most of these devices support the broken WPS)
>
> My experience is you either pay up-front (in $ or staff-time) to properly
> survey, or you pay on the back-end in troubleshooting.
>
> You are right about Education though. Regardless of the direction you
> choose, get signage, put it on the welcome packet etc. etc. Setting
> expectations has helped us a lot, especially when there's a MWO in every
> room and we are @ 50% 2.4GHz-only clients.
>
> Mike Albano
> UNLV
>
> -The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> wrote: -
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> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> From: "Barros, Jacob" 
> Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> Date: 12/13/2013 09:36AM
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
>
>
> I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz.  Thank you all
> for your feed back.  Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a
> concept that may seem heretical.
>
> In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed
> students to bring in their own router(s).  From a managed perspective,
> there are several reasons why it's a bad idea.  However I cannot shake the
> notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks.
>
> To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service
> they want where they want it.  The user can chose what device is desired
> and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current.  IT would
> help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is
> ultimately responsible.
>
> I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is
> being built.  Does anyone think this model can work?
>
>
>
>
> Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178
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-- 
Jesse Safran



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