Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco licensing - alternative vendors

[Blake Brown]

We did a POC this past year for wireless which included Cisco (we were a Cisco 
wireless shop), Meraki, Adtran, Mist and Ruckus. Meraki was the winner for us 
and we do not regret that decision to date. It hit all of the checkmarks from a 
deployment, management, open API, and troubleshooting perspective. The lifetime 
hardware warranty and multi-year licensing options also made the sale easier up 
the chain.

If you want more info on our deployment please let me know.

Thanks,
Blake

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Hi Mathieu,

We have been using BlueSocket (Now Adtran) for years.  They offer an on-prem VM 
controller solution, and a cloud-based option.
https://adtran.com/web/page/portal/Adtran/group/4044

We are a Cisco shop for all-things network - except wireless.  
Adtran/BlueSocket’s products, functionality/performance, and pricing are pretty 
well-rounded and solid, and integrate very nicely within our Cisco wired 
network.

If you have any detailed questions, please feel free to reach out to me off 
list.


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On Feb 3, 2021, at 03:44, Mathieu Sturm 
mailto:mathieu.st...@hogent.be>> wrote:



Hello all,



We are a Cisco shop when it comes to wireless (Cisco AP’s, controllers and ISE).

Since Cisco is becoming a nightmare when it comes to licensing and software 
quality we want to explore new vendors.



We are looking at Fortinet and Aruba.



Any thoughts on these concerning licensing model, software/hardware quality, 
user community, support?



Best Regards,





Mathieu Sturm
Hoofdmedewerker Netwerkbeheer





Directie Financiën, Infrastructuur en IT

Afdeling Netwerkbeheer

Campus Schoonmeerssen - Gebouw B  Lokaal B0.75

Valentin Vaerwyckweg 1 - 9000 Gent

+32 9 243 35 23

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Re: Mounting outdoor AP's on Lightpoles

[Blake Brown]

We would be interested in hearing about this one as well.

Thanks,
Blake

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The folks who have gone done the path of putting AP’s on lightpoles using 
something like this mount:



https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/nZoAAOSwo4pYJkON/s-l500.jpg



Did any of you put the AP’s on existing light posts?

How did you run low voltage copper along with the wires that support the light; 
did you go internal – is the pole consider a conduit so you can’t mix or did 
you “stretch” that code a bit – or external (buddying some EMT)?  If you ran 
the low-voltage cable internally, how did you coordinate drilling the poles 
with your Facilities people to pass the low-voltage cable?



Feel free to hit me off-list.



Vendors:  Please do not call or respond with sales.  If you have a suggestion 
on how to do the installs, please provide to the group.



Thank you,

Brian



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[Blake Brown]

Good point Tim and that would be us. However we are getting ready to migrate to 
Meraki wireless this month, away from Cisco, and slowly reopening for some on 
campus classes. We didn't have some of the "tracking" functionality with our 
Cisco deployment but will with our Meraki.

COVID has thrown another requirement for "tracking" users on the campus which 
is currently done completely manually (paper) by the classroom instructors. I 
was hoping to automate some of this or at least be able to provide limited 
contact tracing information for a given period, longer than 24 hours, if 
requested.

Has anyone on the list worked through COVID contact tracing with their systems 
yet? If so what were some of the key takeaways you learned from it? Good and 
bad.


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There are identity requests, and take downs.  Identity requests are frequent 
and come with little to know liability.  Take downs are less frequent, but 
failing to take down protected content makes the service provider liable.  Or 
plan for take downs when we can’t identify a user is to block the device.  If 
we can’t identify either we’ve got a liability problem.  It may not be a large 
risk, but I don’t think our lawyers will like it.



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On Aug 6, 2020, at 09:51, Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:



How can we fulfill DMCA requirements when we can’t even identify a device, let 
alone the user?  If you want to remain anonymous, use a different network.



IANAL, and I don’t even play one on TV, but my admittedly old understanding of 
the DMCA is that it’s not necessarily mandating that you have to be able to 
identify every single device on your network.  Indeed, some institutions’ 
responses to DMCA notices has been that they don’t have the necessary 
information to be able to take action.  So IMO, assuming (which is dangerous) 
that I’m correct, that if MAC randomization puts an undue burden and/or large 
obstacles on your ability to track down a device/user and cut it off from the 
network, the DMCA alone shouldn’t be seen as a mandate to try to disable MAC 
randomization.

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Northwestern Information Technology



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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

Thanks!

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 on behalf of Patrick McEvilly 

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

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We were looking around at outdoor solutions to handle three attached PoE 
devices and came across this product.  It seems like they put a lot of thought 
into the device and the features.  The fiber splice kit is a nice option to 
terminate fiber inside the enclosure.  They also have a “power over fiber” 
hybrid cable option, perhaps this product could be powered using their 48v 
remote power supply, it could be worth asking.  We have not purchased or used 
the product so we don’t have anything to share other than we thought it was a 
nice small design that had all the bits we needed.



https://www.berktek.us/eservice/US-en_US/navigate_370831/PowerGIG_OAC_Fully_Managed_and_Hardened_Gigabit_PoE_Switch.html



https://marketing.berktek.us/acton/attachment/2338/f-1768bcfd-ad84-45f3-ac9c-0dbab9a15f83/1/-/-/-/-/BSP0404.B_PowerGIG-FMK_Installation_Guide.pdf?sid=TV2:Jev9BdPwU





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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos





One of our reqs when we added outdoor units, was to light up a couple of 
parking lots. Trenching at the time was cost prohibitive. We used AP-277 with 
external antennas as a mesh portal, and two AP-275 as mesh points, mounted in 
light poles. We use 5ghz for the mesh, and 2.4ghz for client access on both the 
portal and mesh units.



But the poles were powered remotely on a timer so we used Solis Energy 
Continuous Power Bridges. These boxes have a battery that gets recharged at 
night when the lights are on, and then they seamlessly switch to battery power 
during the day without interruption. 
https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__solisenergy.com_product_continuous-2Dpower-2Dbridge_&d=DwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=NEt1bAdOCtalVd4Ws0dvlC8LeF95Hl1p6yYgtTh8luM&m=28cwA_yxHnW0yEi3oqaIbUtNsyuvJkplWYSZ_HTUU0I&s=YSscb-LBNA5q7nUX3Uj9Efjrksfri9cbgi8Ks-I9IDs&e=>









On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:27 PM Blake Brown 
mailto:blake.br...@mhcc.edu>> wrote:

How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?



Thanks,

Blake

Sent from my cell phone



On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef 
mailto:nayef.z.sm...@emory.edu>> wrote:

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Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.



Nayef



Nayef Z Smith

Emory University - Network Services

404-727-6019



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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos





When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.



Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.



You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..









On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

Thanks!


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

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One of our reqs when we added outdoor units, was to light up a couple of 
parking lots. Trenching at the time was cost prohibitive. We used AP-277 with 
external antennas as a mesh portal, and two AP-275 as mesh points, mounted in 
light poles. We use 5ghz for the mesh, and 2.4ghz for client access on both the 
portal and mesh units.

But the poles were powered remotely on a timer so we used Solis Energy 
Continuous Power Bridges. These boxes have a battery that gets recharged at 
night when the lights are on, and then they seamlessly switch to battery power 
during the day without interruption. 
https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:27 PM Blake Brown 
mailto:blake.br...@mhcc.edu>> wrote:
How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake

Sent from my cell phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef 
mailto:nayef.z.sm...@emory.edu>> wrote:

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Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
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To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

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Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

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Hello All,



We are in the process of designing an outdoor wifi deployment utilizing APs 
mounted on building exteriors.  We want to minimize their visual impact where 
possible.  Any photos or lessons learned you can share would be appreciated.  
We'r

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

Excellent… thanks!

~Blake


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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

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If you are able to trench fiber to the AP locations, consider doing 
hybrid/powered fiber. It combines 2 or more single mode fiber strands with 
large gauge copper conductors. You can push up to 120W of PoE through it and 30 
watts will reach well over 3,000 feet from your head-end.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/networking-systems/powered-fiber-cable-systems/hybrid-cables/
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You'd pair it with a hardened 48-57V SFP switch like the Altronix NetWaySP3B.
https://www.altronix.com/library/pdf/downloads/NetWaySpectrumBrochure0517web.pdf

We use these to power Aruba AP-275/277 units and they can power multiple APs if 
you are under 3,000 feet. I will warn that the web interface on the switch is 
glitchy (it's basically a dumb switch though, so no need for the web interface 
unless you are curious) and you will need a dedicated or at least clean 
electrical circuit for the card's power supplies (we blew PoE chips on those 
cards left and right until we realized that our power circuit was shared with a 
dehumidifier and two industrial garage door openers on the opposite side of the 
building. Altronix was incredibly generous with free repairs while we worked 
through this.)

Lawson Cassels
Illinois State University


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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:27 PM
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wifi access point mounting example photos

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How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake
Sent from my cell phone


On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef  wrote:
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Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake

Sent from my cell phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef  wrote:

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Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

E dha...@tntech.edu

www.tntech.edu/its






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Hello All,



We are in the process of designing an outdoor wifi deployment utilizing APs 
mounted on building exteriors.  We want to minimize their visual impact where 
possible.  Any photos or lessons learned you can share would be appreciated.  
We're particularly interested to see what others have done to camouflage or 
creatively conceal the mountings to reduce visibility.



Thanks in advance,

Nayef



Nayef Z. Smith | Emory LITS Network Services | Suite 1700 | 1762 Clifton Road | 
Atlanta GA 30322 | Voice: 404-727-6019 | 
nayef.z.sm...@emory.edu





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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Meraki at large universities

[Blake Brown]

+1 for this info. We are a smaller college, less than 200 AP's currently, and 
are migrating away from an on campus Cisco system to Meraki this summer.

~Blake

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of James Helzerman 

Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 6:57 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Meraki at large universities

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Hi.  Is anyone looking at or currently using Meraki in a large university?  I 
am curious as to how far their product has come after a few years from the 
Cisco purchase.  For sizing purposes I am looking at deployments of 500 or more 
Meraki APs with 8+ APs in high density auditoriums and/or seat 400-600 
students.   In particular I am looking for information on:

  *   How many APs total do you have on your campus?
  *   What is the peak number of concurrent connections you have seen on the 
system?
  *   What is the largest high density area you have covered?  How many APs, 
special settings, models of AP, etc.
  *   What made you choose Meraki over different vendors?
  *   Do you have multiple vendors on your campus?  If so which ones?
  *   If you had a controller based infrastructure before, what changes did you 
have to make to your architecture?  How much time did it take to do this, what 
issues did you run into?
  *   What success stories can you share?
  *   What issues do you see or have had with the product?
  *   How customizable are the settings compared to Cisco or Aruba?
  *   What do you like or dont like about the products and/or architecture?

Answers dont need to be long or in depth, I am just gauging adoption at larger 
universities.  If you prefer, feel free to direct message me.

Thanks for any input you can provide!

-Jimmy

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Wireless Network Engineer
University of Michigan - ITS
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

[Blake Brown]

Excellent info. Thanks for sharing Jamie!

~Blake


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Price, Jamie G" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 2:47 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

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Hi Blake and Wi-Fi Pros,

Here’s a sample of our decision matrix. We also included relationship with 
vendors (both the parent company and resellers). Also, what kind of Python 
support and scripting, what can we do out of box or with some programming-- and 
partners already established with the solution that could add on a wanted 
solution (maybe we want to buy a solution APIs/Programming that would do 
automatic classroom attendance).

Happy to chat up our decision criteria with folks, feel free to email me direct 
at jamie.pr...@cuanschutz.edu<mailto:jamie.pr...@cuanschutz.edu>.






Social Media Login for Guest (user data
  would require 3rd party project)
Additional licenses
Additional licenses
Base platform
Base platform
Bluetooth Asset light asset tracking
Hard, additional products needed
Hard, additional products needed

Easy
Easy
Ease of IoT Onboarding




Ease of Partner for IoT consumer devices




Student Dorm Hospitality AP




Analytics




Student Success Software and Partnership




Ease of Problem Resolution




Management Server and Reporting




Wayfinding






From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Blake Brown
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:38 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

We are also looking at replacing our existing Cisco deployment and have 
narrowed it down to either Mist or Meraki, we are currently doing in house 
trials with both. I would be interested in receiving any additional feedback on 
both of these vendors, on or off this particular email thread, if you’re 
willing to share. More info about the RADIUS bug on the Mist could prove to be 
very beneficial in our decision making.

Thanks,
Blake


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Price, Jamie G" 
mailto:jamie.pr...@cuanschutz.edu>>
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:44 AM
To: 
"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

External Email
We looked at MIST and Meraki, both great products. We feel our management went 
with ABC so Meraki it is.

In a nutshell (and I can expand upon the “whys”) you get so many more features, 
flexibilities, with an included management platform with either one of these 
vendors. Controllers are expensive bricks. The only real reason to stay with 
controllers is if you do not want a cloud base platform.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:16 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

The wireless-lan mailing list is always interesting, but this is by far the 
best thread yet :)

We are a longtime Aerohive customer, and are aware of Extreme’s plans. Happy to 
talk about my feelings regarding Aerohive off-list. Whomever explained that 
startups are responsive at first, and start to lose their luster as they grow 
... spot on.

We are testing Meraki, Juniper/Mist, and Arista/Mojo. As always, some of the 
shine wears off once you get into the product. I’ve found some surprising 
RADIUS bug on Mist. Their initial support is responsive, but the resolution is 
... forthcoming. We are a big Juniper shop, so are excited about their ability 
to monitor & manage (one day) our EX switches.

If you start and eval, make sure you open tickets and explore how their support 
operation responds to requests (and bugs!).

Norman



On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:47 PM Turner, Ryan H 
mailto:rhtur...@email.unc.edu>> wrote:
At this time, this doesn’t appear to bother anything other than the 515s.  We 
have 315s on the same code and have not gotten reports.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Norman Chu
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:08 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

We have been running v8.5.0.4

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

[Blake Brown]

Jeff,

Can you elaborate on the "snags" you have hit with Mist? We are considering 
their product but have now heard from several different resources that their 
upper level support may be lacking. We can take this off list if you prefer.


Thanks,
Blake


On 1/9/20, 12:06 PM, "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv on 
behalf of Jeffrey Mesch"  wrote:

External Email

I really think this is the key factor in this...how the vendor (and 
reseller if applicable) responds and the relationship overall.

We're a tiny school, just 500 students.

For +5 years we've had a great relationship with arguably one of 
HP/Aruba's top engineers in the state. General Motors headquarters is on 
his list of responsibilities. Despite being so small he'd give us as 
much time as he gave GM.

Despite the relationship, we went with Mist for wireless because of 
their innovation and problems with a couple Aruba resellers.

We hit some snags with Mist, and now both the local reseller and 
Mist/Juniper engineers won't give us the time of day. Level 1 support is 
good, but beyond that we've basically been on our own.

In hindsight I've wondered if our results may have been better had we 
stuck with Aruba because of the well-established relationship. In 
general we tend to have more success with vendors/resellers where 
there's a solid existing relationship.

+++Jeff


On 1/9/20 1:42 PM, Patrick McEvilly wrote:
> I agree with you, all vendors will have bugs and it’s how the vendor 
> responds is what matters.  Our experience on how Aruba handles them has 
> been nothing but positive.
> 
> We have found our fair share of bugs on Aruba and yes some of them 
> probably should not have been found by customers.  The support/response 
> from Aruba has always been top notch.  Usually within 24 hours of 
> reporting the bug the issue has been identified and the fix is in the 
> next release.  We do allow our SE remote access into our infrastructure 
> which helps with not draining our own resources while working to resolve 
> these problems. Our Aruba SE takes care of reporting the bugs and gets 
> them prioritized for us so for the most part we are hands off when 
> dealing with Aruba support.
> 
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of "Turner, Ryan H" 
> 
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
> 
> *Date: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 12:01 PM
> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
> 
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and 
why?
> 
>  From my standpoint, it really isn’t about having bugs. They will all 
> have them.  Its how the vendor handles the request when it comes in.
> 
> Extreme is a very good example of this.  While we have bugs, I know I 
> can escalate it all the way to the C level of executives if I don’t 
> think an issue is getting handled quickly.  If I tell them a bug is 
> critically important, then very soon we are on the call with a 10+ 
> developers/coders/executives working to fix the problem.  While not 
> everything has been perfect, I know that if I tell Extreme something is 
> important, things get resolved.  I feel as though I’ve had to complain 
> so much in the past two years over issues that I’ve become chicken 
> little.  It should be obvious to an executive team monitoring an account 
> that when you have significant bugs exceed 2-3 months, the wagons need 
> to be circles.  It doesn’t seem to be automatic.
> 
> So, in short, its not always the existence of bugs that is the problem.  
> It is the company’s response to the problem.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
>  *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey D. Sessler
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:56 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and 
why?
> 
> Our consortium had both Cisco and Aruba, and about 12-18 months ago the 
> Aruba folks tossed in the towel and went Cisco. Various unresolvable 
> problems with Aruba AP’s, including one that required a weekly reboot of 
> a particular model.
> 
> As Lee mentions, the grass isn’t always greener, so expect that you’re 
> going to run into issues with any vendor. As such, it’s going to come 
> down to support/resolution and your relationship with the vendor. 
>   Startups are great as they have a single product with a single 
> code-train, so they tend to be pretty responsive at the start. Once they 
> have a few years under their belt, and their code base starts to 
> fragment, you’ll get to the same point you have with th

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

[Blake Brown]

We are also looking at replacing our existing Cisco deployment and have 
narrowed it down to either Mist or Meraki, we are currently doing in house 
trials with both. I would be interested in receiving any additional feedback on 
both of these vendors, on or off this particular email thread, if you’re 
willing to share. More info about the RADIUS bug on the Mist could prove to be 
very beneficial in our decision making.

Thanks,
Blake


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Price, Jamie G" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:44 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

External Email
We looked at MIST and Meraki, both great products. We feel our management went 
with ABC so Meraki it is.

In a nutshell (and I can expand upon the “whys”) you get so many more features, 
flexibilities, with an included management platform with either one of these 
vendors. Controllers are expensive bricks. The only real reason to stay with 
controllers is if you do not want a cloud base platform.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Norman Elton
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 11:16 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

The wireless-lan mailing list is always interesting, but this is by far the 
best thread yet :)

We are a longtime Aerohive customer, and are aware of Extreme’s plans. Happy to 
talk about my feelings regarding Aerohive off-list. Whomever explained that 
startups are responsive at first, and start to lose their luster as they grow 
... spot on.

We are testing Meraki, Juniper/Mist, and Arista/Mojo. As always, some of the 
shine wears off once you get into the product. I’ve found some surprising 
RADIUS bug on Mist. Their initial support is responsive, but the resolution is 
... forthcoming. We are a big Juniper shop, so are excited about their ability 
to monitor & manage (one day) our EX switches.

If you start and eval, make sure you open tickets and explore how their support 
operation responds to requests (and bugs!).

Norman



On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 12:47 PM Turner, Ryan H 
mailto:rhtur...@email.unc.edu>> wrote:
At this time, this doesn’t appear to bother anything other than the 515s.  We 
have 315s on the same code and have not gotten reports.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Norman Chu
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 12:08 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

We have been running v8.5.0.4 (clustered controllers off of a mobility master) 
with a little over 4100 AP305’s and AP325’s for a couple of months and things 
have been stable here.  Prior to this, v8.3.0.8 was causing us a few issues.

Norman Chu
Systems Administrator, Network Infrastructure Team
IT Services
T:  514-398-7299
norman@mcgill.ca  |   
www.mcgill.ca/it
805 rue Sherbrooke 
Ouest,
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Michael Hulko
Sent: January 9, 2020 11:58 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Who has transitioned away from Aruba, and why?

May not be completely related, but we have had issues with newer AX chipsets 
that utilize NDIS 6.3 code set.  Some of the advanced features had to be turned 
off as a work around such as packet coalescing etc.

ALthough we have no 515’s in our environment, we are progressing to 8.6 (as per 
our SE) in the coming weeks and this does not make me comfortable.  Any issues 
with the 300 series APs and 8.5x? May rethink and downgrade to 8.3x as it also 
seems to only support the AP103Hs as well.

M

On Jan 9, 2020, at 11:44 AM, Lee H Badman 
<00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

No insult meant to anyone’s intelligence, but are you also looking at client 
device drivers etc in the context of these issues? Depending on which client 
NIC is in play, the device makers haven’t been doing us any favors of late. Is 
very possible for example that hundreds of AD-managed laptops may all have same 
bum driver.

Just asking…

Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNE#200)
Information Technology Services
(NDD Group)
206 Machinery Hall
120 Smith 
Drive

Mist - Juniper Feedback

[Blake Brown]

Good morning,

MHCC is looking at alternatives for our current Wi-Fi solution and one that has 
come up is Mist. Does anyone on the list have this system currently deployed 
and willing to provide some feedback on it?

Thanks,
Blake Brown
503-491-6910
Infrastructure Manager




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