Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Limit on Airplay?

2014-08-22 Thread John McMillan
I'm not sure if it's the same problem, but we couldn't get more than 16
apple tv's to show up on a 21 tv / 21 ipad room until we enabled AirTunes
on the mDNS profile.  They were all on the network, they just wouldn't show
up in the list.  This is on 5508's running 7.6.120.


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Eric T. Barnett ebarn...@astate.edu
wrote:

 Has anyone ran into a limit on the Airplay connection menu? We are running
 Cisco 5508's and just ran into a hard limit of 64 devices in the menu on
 our phones. Any ideas on how to get around that would be fantastic.

 Regards,

 Eric Barnett
 Wireless Administrator
 Information and Technology Services
 Arkansas State University
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] account lockouts when changing passwords

2014-04-14 Thread John McMillan
We use ManageEngine ADAudit for this. It's reasonably priced and a lot
easier than searching event id's in the AD logs.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Danny Eaton dannyea...@rice.edu wrote:

 I had this problem due a VM trying to connect to a shared network drive
 using cached credentials and locking out the account.  I'll pass this info
 on to my AD folks - thanks!



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 If you're using AD as your authentication source, look at implementing
 Password history check (N-2)
 With Password history check (N-2), as long as the password being used is
 one of the last two in the history file, the bad password count is not
 incremented... thus, no account lockout when using an old, but valid
 password. That is, while the user can't authenticate using the old password
 (it still fails as an incorrect password), account lookout doesn't occur.
 It works around the problem where a user changes their password on say
 their desktop, and then their mobile device instantly locks their account
 as it attempts to auth on WPA.

 Jeff


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] List abuse? SecureW2

2014-03-05 Thread John McMillan
I received enough junk mail from vendors before I joined the educause lists
that I can't blame it on that, but the vendors definitely actively monitor
the lists. Just say something negative and wait for your phone to start
ringing (I'm looking at you Cisco and Fortinet). I don't particularly mind,
but it did catch me off guard the first time.


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Peter P Morrissey ppmor...@syr.edu wrote:

   I'm sure that happens even more then we realize. Anyone can join the
 list, and harvest data from it. What vendor wouldn't want such a source of
 targeted customers? I have often thought that it would be great to have a
 listserv without vendors. The other challenge to having vendors on the list
 is that I sense that a lot of people are fearful of having candid
 discussions regarding their experiences with the vendors present. The
 result is that we as consumers are left at a severe disadvantage in
 obtaining data to make informed decisions.

 Pete Morrissey

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 *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] List abuse? SecureW2



 I'd be interested in knowing if other members on the list who are
 Cloudpath customers have recently been contacted by SecureW2?



 I received and unsolicited marketing email from them today touting their
 product, including the fact that quite a few former XpressConnect
 customers have switched to them. As proof, the marketing email links back
 to a Jan 16th discussion on this list where someone from Rutgers posted
 about their experience.



 I suspect they collected my email from the list thus why I'm interested in
 knowing if other Cloudpath customers on the list got a similar email.

 Do the educause list rules allow use of posts in marketing?

 For Rutgers, are you aware Securew2 is using you in their marketing
 material?



 best,

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Arduino

2014-02-01 Thread John McMillan
We created a PSK wlan that allows p2p for student projects and left it in
the same dmz as our guest wlan.

On Friday, January 31, 2014, Matt Williams mcw...@bucknell.edu wrote:

 We are seeing a huge influx of Arduino based projects from our Engineering
 college.  Two years ago, there was a single senior project, now there are
 four courses using the devices and a desire to incorporate them even more.
  Naturally, these devices don't use 802.1X authentication and require
 special attention to provide network access.  Right now our model is to
 statically assign them IPs on our guest wireless network.  The issue with
 this becomes, We want to be able to communicate with everything, and we
 restrict p2p on our guest network for obvious reasons.

 I was wondering if any of you have ran into these types of
 devices/projects and if you have, what kinds of solutions have to come up
 for them?

 Respectfully,

 Matthew Will Williams
 Assistant Director, Networking
 Bucknell University
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Experience with Meru

2013-09-24 Thread John McMillan
Thanks everyone for the response. Stability and support issues seem very
common, but there are some who are happy overall with the product. I was
really hoping to hear how great they were,  as some of the things their
product promises could resolve some of our nagging issues.





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We have Meru in our dorms. We had no issues for the first year and a  half
where we only had a single type of AP. We added wireless to more dorms
using another model of AP and now the controller has bounced twice without
explanation from Meru TAC. I agree that we are seeing a better effort put
forth in keeping us up to date and support was quick to respond (even if we
had to request the 'unknown' issue be pushed up the ladder). From what I've
heard from other Meru customers mixing AP models can result in issues.



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Information Services
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*Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Experience with Meru



I will second the bumpy ride.  While I can not say we specifically had
problems in dense areas, I think overall stability of controller/AP/Radio's
is still problematic.



They have made changes and are trying to fix things, but it is a slow go.






Walter Reynolds

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Information and Technology Services
University of Michigan
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Gonzalo Cervantes gcervan...@barnard.edu
wrote:

Hi John,

Barnard College has been a Meru shop since 2007. I came on board two years
ago and it has been a bumpy ride. We often had controller reboots
(sometimes twice in a 24 hour period) and getting answers of the root cause
took a long time (if ever found). We have a couple of event rooms that have
a high density deployment and have not heard of any issues there. I wish I
had some metrics (head bowed in shame and frustration) for you but their
reporting tool is not good. I opted not to renew and hold back on trying to
do a POC for their latest EzRF Network Manager (reporting tool).



They are going back to their secret sauce, virtual cell (for clean hand off
between APs), which was neglected because they had to turn their focus on
stabilizing their System Director OS and AP hardware. The new APs have a
new chip set with new features but we don't have those on our campus. It
seems that this will not be a problem for you but if you have two different
AP models with the two different chip sets, they will ask you to completely
isolate them and create new ESS profiles for them.



Their support is average but improving. For what its worth, in the last
year they have also gone through some organizational changes at the top. I
have seen some significant outreach to us since.



If you have some specific questions feel free to email me.



Thanks,


Gonzalo



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On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:30 PM, John McMillan jmcmil...@southalabama.edu
wrote:

Hello all,



Has anyone here worked with Meru Networks gear? We’ve got some client
density issues (primarily in auditorium spaces) that our Cisco gear doesn’t
support very well and we’re investigating alternative solutions for those
areas. We met briefly with Meru and the technology looks interesting, but
I’m curious to hear if it lives up to the hype.



Thanks,



John McMillan

University of South Alabama

Computer Services Center

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Experience with Meru

2013-09-18 Thread John McMillan
Hello all,



Has anyone here worked with Meru Networks gear? We’ve got some client
density issues (primarily in auditorium spaces) that our Cisco gear doesn’t
support very well and we’re investigating alternative solutions for those
areas. We met briefly with Meru and the technology looks interesting, but
I’m curious to hear if it lives up to the hype.



Thanks,



John McMillan

University of South Alabama

Computer Services Center

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] What Cisco WLAN controller code are you running?

2013-09-04 Thread John McMillan
We’ve got about 70 3602i’s running on 7.4.110.0 for about a month with no
reported issues.



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running?



Has anyone else that installed 3602i/e’s experienced similar issues where
wireless clients are having difficulty maintaining a wireless connection?



Thanks,

Jeff



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running?



We are currently running 7.4.100.60 on a 5508. Over the summer, we actually
introduced some new 3602i APs into our environment as well.

Everything was working well until our students returned and placed a more
significant load on system. At that point, many wi ndows clients seemed to
have difficulty maintaining a connection.

After further investigation, and tinkering around with a few settings as
well as a couple of TAC calls, we decided to remove the 3602i APs and swap
them out for 3502i APs to see what impact it would have.

As soon as we did so, the client issues were resolved. I would be
interested to hear how other folks are doing on 7.5.

Paul Sedy
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661.362.2340 | rps...@masters.edu

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What Cisco WLAN controller code are you running?

We're running 7.5 and so far it's the most stable of any code I've run in
ages. I've had problems with my 5508 rebooting spontaneously for a long
time on several different code versions. I've been running for 28 days now
which is longer than I've seen in a while. No major bugs that I'm aware of
currently short of the new mDNS discovery by the APs, but I'm working with
the engineers on that one.

Regards,

Eric Barnett
Senior Network Engineer/Wireless Administrator Information and Technology
Services Arkansas State University
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http://wireless.astate.edu



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running?

Hi,

We're running an engineering variant of 7.2.113.0 to resolve some issues we
were having with AP stability.

We're looking into 7.5 for 802.11ac support. Is anyone running 7.5 out
there or should we wait?

Tristan

On 30/08/2013, at 4:19 AM, Philip Theruvakattil  ptheruvakat...@andover.edu
wrote:

 We upgraded our 5508 controllers to 7.4.110.0 code a couple of weeks ago,
primarily to take advantage of the mDNS features.

 No reported problems so far but the real test will be when students get
back.

 Had issues with mDNS/bonjour. From the iPads could see the AppleTVs but
not from iPhones. From iPads could not mirror to any AppleTV. Opened a TAC
case and issue was resolved by adding AirTunes as a service name - see
attached screenshot.

 We have about 25+ AppleTV (wired) and all can now be mirrored to, from
two different WLANs.

 Phil

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running?

 On 7.4.100.60, we can get most bonjour/mDNS traffic from wireless sources
to wireless clients.

 On 7.4.110.0, very little seems to get through.

 Nothing is reliable.

 We can make airplay work from appletvs to ios devices but not phones
 on
 7.4.100.60 but not on 7.4.110.0.

 We can't get anything shared on a wire to pass through to wireless
clients on 7.4.110.0.

 I agree entirely - it worked pretty good on 7.4.100.60 but not so well
on 110.0.

 We are using an app called papercut to manage printing, we have it
installed on an osx server, it's role is to share queues that the apple ios
devices should see. We can't seem to make that work reliably, either - but
there I am beginning to suspect the 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] [Off-Topic] Computer Labs

2013-08-23 Thread John McMillan
Our labs are run by departmental staff, and several of them have moved to
 the zero client / VDI model (with the vmware deployment centrally managed)
in the last 12 – 18 months. I only know of one department that tried to get
rid of their labs and just provide network  power connections. They ran
like that for several years and were one of the first VDI lab deployments
we put in. So far everyone seems pretty happy with it. The departmental
guys are just happy they don’t have to ghost their labs at the end of every
semester.





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On the same vein, Has anyone tried zero clients and VDI infrastructure
instead of computers in a renovation?



On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Eric T. Barnett ebarn...@astate.edu
wrote:

This is great! Please keep up with the information!



To sum up, it looks like the idea of no computer labs at all is a bit ahead
of its time still.



Thanks for the information.





Eric Barnett

Senior Network Engineer/Wireless Administrator

Information and Technology Services

Arkansas State University

(870) 680-4243

http://wireless.astate.edu







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Labs aren't going away entirely, but the last time we renovated a lab space
we didn't put in any computers. We added tables with power modules in the
surface for kids to plug in their own laptops, and printers connected via a
PaperCut page where students can upload documents to print. The students
absolutely love this.  I'm hoping to add a terminal services install to set
up a virtual lab that will allow students using these spaces to have
access to college-specific applications. I see us adding more spaces like
this in the future.




Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
York College, Nebraska
402.363.5603
jcoeho...@york.edu



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On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Hall, Rand ha...@merrimack.edu wrote:

In a day when all students have a computer, we're still providing plenty of
labs. Students want them because, we know the college computers will work
when we need to write a paper. It's almost like they treat their PCs like
disposable burners or something :-)




Rand



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On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Eric T. Barnett ebarn...@astate.edu
wrote:

We have a new Liberal Arts building that is currently in construction. The
floor plans aren't quite nailed down yet but there was something on the
current plans that made me wonder. There's no less than six computer labs
in the building. Seeing that we make all of our Freshmen buy iPads and that
laptops are super cheap nowadays, I was wondering just how useful computer
labs are now/will be in the next two years or so. Getting rid of most or
all of those labs would cut down on costs considerably. I've heard of some
colleges dumping computer labs as they seem to be needed less and less as
users have more and more tech available cheaply. What's your take?

Regards,

Eric Barnett
Senior Network Engineer/Wireless Administrator
Information and Technology Services
Arkansas State University
(870) 680-4243
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN

2013-04-17 Thread John McMillan
We use a public CA, but the default configuration for PEAP on windows is to
verify the certificate and not trust any CA. As part of our client
configuration guide we have them scroll through the CA list and select it
as trusted. Our Apple clients have to click through to accept the
certificate.





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when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN



Assuming PEAPv0 is used, this is expected behavior when you're using a
private PKI (Microsoft CA for example) as the client won't trust the
private CA unless you've used a method to get the private PKI root
certificate to the client.

In enterprise environments you've got group policy to do this for you (by
default no less).

In education if you don't have clients on the domain I can't see why you
wouldn't purchase a server-side certificate from a public PKI CA. Your
clients *should* trust this CA already and shouldn't be prompted. You would
want to verify that the bulk of the clients types you support do in fact
contain the root CA certificate of whichever CA you purchase from; some
CA's are pretty crap in this regard.

On 17/04/13 9:13 AM, Jason Cook wrote:

Vote 2 for cloudpath, we have found the software to be extremely helpful in
configuring, updating and troubleshooting clients.



As already stated this is expected behaviour. Like most IT Security “pains”
the best approach is good communication  documentation to set user
expectations and educate why it is important. One day it will feel normal
like locking the doors of your house to protect assets.



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Thanks Lee.  I am going to take a look at Cloudpath.



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We found Cloudpath ExpressConnect to be wonderful at setting things like
approved certs for the client- if you can get them to use it.

We have a great mechanism with a Help SSID that allows for initial
self-config, then self-remediation if you ever find your client not
behaving. Works so sweet... except that new OS X and Win 7 machines also
want to self-configure and onboard clients with just credentials needed
(like for MS-CHAP v2/PEAP) and so our help tool gets unused.

Expressconnect also lets you do things like disable IPv6, clear out extra
profiles that accumulate, and other nice tweaks along with elegent cert
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This is definitely normal behavior. The only way to get around this would
be to configure the client to not verify the server certificate which is a
security risk and is not best practice.



The idea is that if someone threw up a rogue AP with the same SSID and your
users associated to it, they would receive a different certificate prompt
which should throw a red flag 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN

2013-04-17 Thread John McMillan
I hadn’t heard of those, I’ll have to take a look. We’ve only recently had
real demand for Apple on the secured network, it’s mostly been personal
iPhones and iPads on the guest wireless, but that’s really changing.



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*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate
when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN



Don’t you use a .mobileconfig file?



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ian



*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
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*On Behalf Of *John McMillan
*Sent:* 17 April 2013 14:54
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate
when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN



We use a public CA, but the default configuration for PEAP on windows is to
verify the certificate and not trust any CA. As part of our client
configuration guide we have them scroll through the CA list and select it
as trusted. Our Apple clients have to click through to accept the
certificate.





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WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Scott Stapleton
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:15 AM
*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate
when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN



Assuming PEAPv0 is used, this is expected behavior when you're using a
private PKI (Microsoft CA for example) as the client won't trust the
private CA unless you've used a method to get the private PKI root
certificate to the client.

In enterprise environments you've got group policy to do this for you (by
default no less).

In education if you don't have clients on the domain I can't see why you
wouldn't purchase a server-side certificate from a public PKI CA. Your
clients *should* trust this CA already and shouldn't be prompted. You would
want to verify that the bulk of the clients types you support do in fact
contain the root CA certificate of whichever CA you purchase from; some
CA's are pretty crap in this regard.

On 17/04/13 9:13 AM, Jason Cook wrote:

Vote 2 for cloudpath, we have found the software to be extremely helpful in
configuring, updating and troubleshooting clients.



As already stated this is expected behaviour. Like most IT Security “pains”
the best approach is good communication  documentation to set user
expectations and educate why it is important. One day it will feel normal
like locking the doors of your house to protect assets.



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Jason Cook

Technology Services

The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005

Ph: +61 8 8313 4800



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*On Behalf Of *Williams, Mr. Michael
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*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate
when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN



Thanks Lee.  I am going to take a look at Cloudpath.



mike



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*On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman
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*To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Verifying or Validating Server Certificate
when using WPA/WPA2 and 8021x WLAN



We found Cloudpath ExpressConnect to be wonderful at setting things like
approved certs for the client- if you can get them to use it.

We have a great mechanism with a Help SSID that allows for initial
self-config, then self-remediation if you ever find your client not
behaving. Works so sweet... except that new OS X and Win 7 machines also
want to self-configure and onboard clients with just credentials needed
(like for MS-CHAP v2/PEAP) and so our help tool gets unused.

Expressconnect also lets you do things