Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
We did this... started with lights off in classrooms - then decided lights off everywhere. 2 weeks later - frantic after-hours call into the help desk - a whole building has just lost its wifi!!! [user had issue with device - noticed AP in room had no lights - must be offline - moved to another room -this AP had no lights. ahh! they all lost their lights! (Destiny 2 foreshadowing?)] So be prepared you might get other calls On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:24 PM Jeremy Gibbs wrote: > Just turn the AP lights off.. see if the complaints go away ;). > > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Jason Cook > wrote: > >> We go through one of these very year or 2. >> >> >> >> Like others we refer them to HR/OHS group. This is a “health” issue on >> not for a technical area to make the decision, makes it easy to respond. We >> worked with HR to help provide information for them to work with, to date >> we haven’t ended up having to do anything to our network. Mostly they seem >> to have been people concerned about potential impact after >> upgrades/changes. >> >> >> >> Below is the core of what we provide. This one was raised after an >> upgrade and an AP appeared in the persons office and they were concerned >> about the proximity but seemed happy with the response as it stopped there. >> >> --- >> >> >> >> New wireless equipment has been recently installed into the >> building, this is replacing hardware that has been installed for over 10 >> years. The existing hardware was installed in the roof space and >> not-visible, while the new equipment is installed below the roof space and >> visible. The new hardware operates on the same RF frequencies as the old >> (2.4 and 5ghz). All hardware and configuration is to Australian standards. >> >> >> >> I will refer to a statement from the relevant governing bodies in >> Australia which state "There is no established scientific evidence that >> the low exposure to RF EME from Wi-Fi adversely affects the health of >> children or the general population.” >> >> >> >> Please see the below full statements from the relevant agencies. >> >> >> >> Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency >> >> - Who Set the standards for Australian Radio Frequency >> >> http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/factsheets/is_wifi.cfm >> >> Australian Communications and Media Authority >> >> - Who regulate Radio Frequency Emissions in Australia >> >> >> http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Spectrum/About-spectrum/EME-hub/eme-and-health >> >> World Health Organisation >> >> - Agency of the United Nations for international public >> health >> >> http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs304/en/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jason Cook >> >> Technology Services >> >> The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 >> >> Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 <+61%208%208313%204800> >> >> >> >> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: >> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Rick Brown >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 October 2017 6:46 AM >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity >> >> >> >> Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, >> students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their >> dorm room, workspace, etc.? >> >> >> Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Rick >> >> -- >> >> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/discuss. >> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/discuss. >> >> > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/discuss. > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
Just turn the AP lights off.. see if the complaints go away ;). On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Jason Cook wrote: > We go through one of these very year or 2. > > > > Like others we refer them to HR/OHS group. This is a “health” issue on > not for a technical area to make the decision, makes it easy to respond. We > worked with HR to help provide information for them to work with, to date > we haven’t ended up having to do anything to our network. Mostly they seem > to have been people concerned about potential impact after > upgrades/changes. > > > > Below is the core of what we provide. This one was raised after an upgrade > and an AP appeared in the persons office and they were concerned about the > proximity but seemed happy with the response as it stopped there. > > --- > > > > New wireless equipment has been recently installed into the > building, this is replacing hardware that has been installed for over 10 > years. The existing hardware was installed in the roof space and > not-visible, while the new equipment is installed below the roof space and > visible. The new hardware operates on the same RF frequencies as the old > (2.4 and 5ghz). All hardware and configuration is to Australian standards. > > > > I will refer to a statement from the relevant governing bodies in > Australia which state "There is no established scientific evidence that > the low exposure to RF EME from Wi-Fi adversely affects the health of > children or the general population.” > > > > Please see the below full statements from the relevant agencies. > > > > Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency > > - Who Set the standards for Australian Radio Frequency > > http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/factsheets/is_wifi.cfm > > Australian Communications and Media Authority > > - Who regulate Radio Frequency Emissions in Australia > > http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Spectrum/About-spectrum/EME-hub/eme-and- > health > > World Health Organisation > > - Agency of the United Nations for international public health > > http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs304/en/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Jason Cook > > Technology Services > > The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 > > Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 <+61%208%208313%204800> > > > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Rick Brown > *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 October 2017 6:46 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity > > > > Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, > students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their > dorm room, workspace, etc.? > > > Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! > > Thanks in advance! > > Rick > > -- > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/ > discuss. > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
We go through one of these very year or 2. Like others we refer them to HR/OHS group. This is a “health” issue on not for a technical area to make the decision, makes it easy to respond. We worked with HR to help provide information for them to work with, to date we haven’t ended up having to do anything to our network. Mostly they seem to have been people concerned about potential impact after upgrades/changes. Below is the core of what we provide. This one was raised after an upgrade and an AP appeared in the persons office and they were concerned about the proximity but seemed happy with the response as it stopped there. --- New wireless equipment has been recently installed into the building, this is replacing hardware that has been installed for over 10 years. The existing hardware was installed in the roof space and not-visible, while the new equipment is installed below the roof space and visible. The new hardware operates on the same RF frequencies as the old (2.4 and 5ghz). All hardware and configuration is to Australian standards. I will refer to a statement from the relevant governing bodies in Australia which state "There is no established scientific evidence that the low exposure to RF EME from Wi-Fi adversely affects the health of children or the general population.” Please see the below full statements from the relevant agencies. Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency - Who Set the standards for Australian Radio Frequency http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/factsheets/is_wifi.cfm Australian Communications and Media Authority - Who regulate Radio Frequency Emissions in Australia http://www.acma.gov.au/Citizen/Spectrum/About-spectrum/EME-hub/eme-and-health World Health Organisation - Agency of the United Nations for international public health http://www.who.int/peh-emf/publications/facts/fs304/en/ -- Jason Cook Technology Services The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8313 4800 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2017 6:46 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their dorm room, workspace, etc.? Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! Thanks in advance! Rick -- [cid:image001.png@01D347F2.A4B799F0] ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
In the case of that one Music faculty member, his department accommodated him by moving him to a very back corner/end of hallway office where we eliminated coverage, and we worked out a process for turning off the radios in the small group performance hall when he was conducting/rehearsing with a 48 hour advance notice/request from his dept. chair.Didn't make it easy. He has since left the University and we're back to full radio coverage throughout. -- jg -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Benedick, Jason Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 5:12 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity How do you accommodate? Do you turn off WiFi in areas of that building or do you just avoid placing WAPs directly in the rooms he teaches in? Are his areas still fully covered with WiFi with adjacent WAPs? Sent from Nine<http://www.9folders.com/> From: "Gogan, James Patrick" Sent: Oct 17, 2017 17:08 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity We turn over any and all - be it from students, faculty or staff - questions or requests on this issue to our campus' Environment, Health and Safety division; we're not the health-risk experts, they are. They've published the following online help doc re: this issue: https://ehs.unc.edu/radiation/wi-fi/. In all the years we've had campus wi-fi, there's only been one case for which EHS requested that we accommodate a faculty member with the placement of APs in his building. -- Jim Gogan / ITS Comm Tech / UNC-Chapel Hill From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:16 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their dorm room, workspace, etc.? Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! Thanks in advance! Rick -- [cid:image001.png@01D3476A.7B8E5FB0] ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. *This electronic communication from TSCT is confidential and intended solely for use by the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the named recipient do not forward, propagate or replicate this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and remove from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action dependent upon the contents of this email or attachment is strictly prohibited.* ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
How do you accommodate? Do you turn off WiFi in areas of that building or do you just avoid placing WAPs directly in the rooms he teaches in? Are his areas still fully covered with WiFi with adjacent WAPs? Sent from Nine<http://www.9folders.com/> From: "Gogan, James Patrick" Sent: Oct 17, 2017 17:08 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity We turn over any and all - be it from students, faculty or staff - questions or requests on this issue to our campus' Environment, Health and Safety division; we're not the health-risk experts, they are. They've published the following online help doc re: this issue: https://ehs.unc.edu/radiation/wi-fi/. In all the years we've had campus wi-fi, there's only been one case for which EHS requested that we accommodate a faculty member with the placement of APs in his building. -- Jim Gogan / ITS Comm Tech / UNC-Chapel Hill From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:16 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their dorm room, workspace, etc.? Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! Thanks in advance! Rick -- [cid:image001.png@01D3476A.7B8E5FB0] ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. *This electronic communication from TSCT is confidential and intended solely for use by the individual to whom it is addressed. If you are not the named recipient do not forward, propagate or replicate this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this message by mistake and remove from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action dependent upon the contents of this email or attachment is strictly prohibited.* ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
Great response. Maybe you should have them purchase some of these: http://www.safespaceprotection.com/electrostress-from-wireless-routers.aspx This magical sticker "radiates a six ft protective field". They can just stick one to their shoe or hat or whatever. Thomas Carter Network & Operations Manager / IT Austin College 900 North Grand Avenue Sherman, TX 75090 Phone: 903-813-2564 www.austincollege.edu -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Healy Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:05 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity Back when we first put WAPs in dorms, we drafted a FAQ for any parents that might give us pushback: http://web.suffieldacademy.org/ils/wlan/ Fortunately, we've not gotten any complaints. I apologize if it's out of date (haven't touched it in 3 years). However, it has some links that might be helpful for references. I authored it based on some other pages I'd found at other schools. Jason ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
We turn over any and all - be it from students, faculty or staff - questions or requests on this issue to our campus' Environment, Health and Safety division; we're not the health-risk experts, they are. They've published the following online help doc re: this issue: https://ehs.unc.edu/radiation/wi-fi/. In all the years we've had campus wi-fi, there's only been one case for which EHS requested that we accommodate a faculty member with the placement of APs in his building. -- Jim Gogan / ITS Comm Tech / UNC-Chapel Hill From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Rick Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:16 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their dorm room, workspace, etc.? Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! Thanks in advance! Rick -- [cid:image001.png@01D3476A.7B8E5FB0] ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity
I guess we're lucky in that we haven't received that sort of complaint so far. You might be able to find some studies in the sources of this Wikipedia article to present to them since it's widely accepted that Wikipedia itself isn't a trustworthy information source by itself. The Wikipedia article references its reference #28 stating that it's not an accepted diagnosis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity The mind seems to do some strange things when you think something is causing you issues even if it's not, which is also covered in the diagnosis section of the linked Wikipedia article, which notes it as a "nocebo effect". This seems to be the case for some other things people claim cause them ailments as well, such as aspartame, MSG, etc. from what I've gathered. Michael Matlick Network Control Specialist University of Maryland, Baltimore CITS From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Oliver, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:31 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity Lol. Please have all your roommates and neighbors sign this form stating that it is OK to turn off the WiFi and we will get right on it. Thanks, Jeff Sent from mobile, please excuse any typos. From: Rick Brown Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 21:24 Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] RF Sensitivity To: wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu> Curious to how other universities handle complaints from parents, students, staff, or faculty asking for wireless to be turned off in their dorm room, workspace, etc.? Studies that you've used to refute these claims would be helpful! Thanks in advance! Rick -- [Image]** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/discuss.
