Re: [WiX-users] Build speed, suggestions?

2010-10-08 Thread Christopher Painter
I haven't spent a huge amount of time on this topic because we are generally 
happy with our build time,  but I can imagine merge modules are disk i/o 
intensive not cpu / memory intensive.   There is a lot of copying going on to 
get the files, create the cabinet and stream it into storage.   Then again 
to copy the msm, extract the cabs, extract the files, rebuild the new cab and 
put it back into storage of the msi.

I'd suggest building in a ramdisk but these days windows is pretty darn 
effecient at it's disk caching as long as you give it plenty of memory.  Maybe 
try giving it more first.  Otherwise look at how you set your storage up on the 
Hyper-V.  I don't know if you snapshot and rollback your vm's ( we have a build 
farm of around 100+ VM's that we do this to )  but if you don't you can 
consider 
setting up a direct disk for the VM.   Of course there is always more expensive 
disk solutions.

 
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- Original Message 
From: Bill Packard 
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 1:26:18 PM
Subject: [WiX-users] Build speed, suggestions?

I have recently migrated from Wise to WiX. I have approximately 150 merge
modules (at some point in the future I may be able to implement libs instead
of merge modules, but for now .) and several installs that include some
subset of the merge modules. I have implemented a VS solution for all the
merge modules and for each MSI project. I am wondering if amyone has any
insight or suggestions as to how I might reduce the compilation time for the
merge module solution? I have attempted simply loading the solution with
devenv and sending each wixproj to msbuild seperately. Both take basically
the same amount of time. I also attempted to parallelize the calls to
msbuild, both using the maxcpu switch and by starting each process as a
background process (under cygwin), neither approach succeeded in reducing
the build time. The system CPU seems to idle at about 20% and the memory
footprint is ~ 0.5GB. The machine is a Quad core with 4GB, running Windows
Server 2003 R2 (32bit). 



On real hardware the merge module solution takes about 30 minutes. But we
recently virtualized our build machines and on the virtual systems the same
solution takes about 90 minutes. Virtual servers are running Microsoft's
Hyper-V Platform, each virtual server currently has 4 processors allocated,
4GB, running Server 2003 R2.  Suggestions would be welcome.



Thanks,

Bill 

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Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

2010-10-08 Thread Lena Vinogradov
Thanks very much to all who answered.
My installer takes only 10 seconds total now on Win7.

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Kozlenko [mailto:alexander.kozle...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:33 AM
To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Yes, you can safely specify   code
(as sample) for enabling this option. This property will be ignored for
Windows Installer prior to 5.0 and will be used under installer 5.0. This
code will not override MSIFASTINSTALL property, this code will set value for
this property for your install session.

-Original Message-
From: Lena Vinogradov [mailto:lena.vinogra...@quest.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:05 PM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Thank you, I see in the log that it is in fact spending 9 seconds out of 20
of total for creating restore point.

Is there a way to specify this MSIFASTINSTALL property value from within
Wix?

I mean something like:
  Would it overwrite the built-in
MSI property when install is running on Windows 7? 

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Kozlenko [mailto:alexander.kozle...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:00 PM
To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Creating Restore Point. You can use MSIFASTINSTALL
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd408005(VS.85).aspx) property for
disabling this and some other things, but this will work only for Windows
Installer 5.0 (Windows 7 only, no redist).

-Original Message-
From: Lena Vinogradov [mailto:lena.vinogra...@quest.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:21 PM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Hi ,
I wrote a very small installer - copies about 20 files, starts service, adds
entry to firewall exception list. I originally used WixUI_Minimal then had
to switch  to  WixUI_InstallDir  with one dialog skipped.

Even when I used WixUIMininal the installer seems to be very slow - it takes
up to 10 sec on a good machine after you click install (or next ) button
until it actually reports copying files/starting service, etc. It's even
worse on slow machines.

Is there any way to troubleshoot it? What could installer be doing  during
this time?

Thanks in advance,
Elena 



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[WiX-users] Build speed, suggestions?

2010-10-08 Thread Bill Packard
I have recently migrated from Wise to WiX. I have approximately 150 merge
modules (at some point in the future I may be able to implement libs instead
of merge modules, but for now .) and several installs that include some
subset of the merge modules. I have implemented a VS solution for all the
merge modules and for each MSI project. I am wondering if amyone has any
insight or suggestions as to how I might reduce the compilation time for the
merge module solution? I have attempted simply loading the solution with
devenv and sending each wixproj to msbuild seperately. Both take basically
the same amount of time. I also attempted to parallelize the calls to
msbuild, both using the maxcpu switch and by starting each process as a
background process (under cygwin), neither approach succeeded in reducing
the build time. The system CPU seems to idle at about 20% and the memory
footprint is ~ 0.5GB. The machine is a Quad core with 4GB, running Windows
Server 2003 R2 (32bit). 

 

On real hardware the merge module solution takes about 30 minutes. But we
recently virtualized our build machines and on the virtual systems the same
solution takes about 90 minutes. Virtual servers are running Microsoft's
Hyper-V Platform, each virtual server currently has 4 processors allocated,
4GB, running Server 2003 R2.  Suggestions would be welcome.

 

Thanks,

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Re: [WiX-users] Using a Custom Action dll in another solution

2010-10-08 Thread Michael_A

Hi, since you didn't include how your includeing the CA it it's hard to help.
This is how I include mine.





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Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

2010-10-08 Thread Alexander Kozlenko
Yes, you can safely specify   code
(as sample) for enabling this option. This property will be ignored for
Windows Installer prior to 5.0 and will be used under installer 5.0. This
code will not override MSIFASTINSTALL property, this code will set value for
this property for your install session.

-Original Message-
From: Lena Vinogradov [mailto:lena.vinogra...@quest.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:05 PM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Thank you, I see in the log that it is in fact spending 9 seconds out of 20
of total for creating restore point.

Is there a way to specify this MSIFASTINSTALL property value from within
Wix?

I mean something like:
  Would it overwrite the built-in
MSI property when install is running on Windows 7? 

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Kozlenko [mailto:alexander.kozle...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:00 PM
To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Creating Restore Point. You can use MSIFASTINSTALL
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd408005(VS.85).aspx) property for
disabling this and some other things, but this will work only for Windows
Installer 5.0 (Windows 7 only, no redist).

-Original Message-
From: Lena Vinogradov [mailto:lena.vinogra...@quest.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:21 PM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Hi ,
I wrote a very small installer - copies about 20 files, starts service, adds
entry to firewall exception list. I originally used WixUI_Minimal then had
to switch  to  WixUI_InstallDir  with one dialog skipped.

Even when I used WixUIMininal the installer seems to be very slow - it takes
up to 10 sec on a good machine after you click install (or next ) button
until it actually reports copying files/starting service, etc. It's even
worse on slow machines.

Is there any way to troubleshoot it? What could installer be doing  during
this time?

Thanks in advance,
Elena 



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Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

2010-10-08 Thread Lena Vinogradov
Thank you, I see in the log that it is in fact spending 9 seconds out of 20 of 
total for creating restore point.

Is there a way to specify this MSIFASTINSTALL property value from within Wix?

I mean something like:

 Would it overwrite the built-in MSI property when install is running on 
Windows 7? 


Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Kozlenko [mailto:alexander.kozle...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:00 PM
To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Creating Restore Point. You can use MSIFASTINSTALL
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd408005(VS.85).aspx) property for
disabling this and some other things, but this will work only for Windows
Installer 5.0 (Windows 7 only, no redist).

-Original Message-
From: Lena Vinogradov [mailto:lena.vinogra...@quest.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:21 PM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

Hi ,
I wrote a very small installer - copies about 20 files, starts service, adds
entry to firewall exception list. I originally used WixUI_Minimal then had
to switch  to  WixUI_InstallDir  with one dialog skipped.

Even when I used WixUIMininal the installer seems to be very slow - it takes
up to 10 sec on a good machine after you click install (or next ) button
until it actually reports copying files/starting service, etc. It's even
worse on slow machines.

Is there any way to troubleshoot it? What could installer be doing  during
this time?

Thanks in advance,
Elena 


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Re: [WiX-users] registry key change on radio button selection

2010-10-08 Thread David Watson
Hi,

Hard to guess without a code sample but have you made declared your
property secure?

See http://wix.sourceforge.net/manual-wix3/wix_xsd_property.htm

Dave

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From: David Amey [mailto:da...@creative-engine.co.uk] 
Sent: 08 October 2010 12:31
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-users] registry key change on radio button selection

Hi all,

 

I once again require you expertise;

 

I have a registry key that I need stored [ok so far], the value is set
to a property which changes on a radio button selection. 

 

However the key value only ever takes the default value of the property,
it doesn't pick up the change when a different button is selected?

 

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks in advance!

David Amey
The Creative Engine Ltd
Almac House, Church Lane, Bisley, Surrey, GU24 9DR
T: +44 (0)1483 799200  F: +44 (0)1483 799111

 


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Re: [WiX-users] Application registry keys best practise

2010-10-08 Thread Christopher Painter
That problem can be mitigated:

http://robmensching.com/blog/posts/2010/5/2/The-WiX-toolsets-Remember-Property-pattern



 
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Sent: Fri, October 8, 2010 6:26:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Application registry keys best practise

On Friday 08 October 2010 10:36:12 Mark Simonetti wrote:
>  Is it best practise for the installer to create all the registry keys
> that the application itself might create?  I imagine the biggest pros to
> that would be that the installer controls the default settings, also
> making them configurable on the installer command line, and also the
> keys will be removed if the application is uninstalled keeping it clean.

The potential problem with having the installer create and remove them is that 
users probably expect to be able to reinstall the application and have their 
data still be accessible.

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[WiX-users] Using a Custom Action dll in another solution

2010-10-08 Thread James Green
Hi All,

 

I created a Custom Action dll (.NET) for a test solution.  In this solution
I have the CA project, a simple test app project and a WiX setup project.
This works fine.  I'm now trying to take the CA dll produced by this test
solution into our live project.  I've copied both dlls (the Deploy.dll and
Deploy.CA.dll) in the live projects Libs folder and tried to add a reference
to it in the WiX project in this solution.  It just errors with the
following message:

 

"A reference to [path to Dll] could not be added. Please make sure that the
file is accessible, and that it is a valid WiX reference."

 

There isn't any reason it won't be accessible so I can only assume that
there is something wrong with the dll and it's not being recognised as a WiX
reference.  What should I be doing to fix this?  And why would it work fine
when used from within the same solution but fail when added to a different
solution?  Very confusing ...

 

Thanks in advance,

 

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Re: [WiX-users] Application registry keys best practise

2010-10-08 Thread Peter Shirtcliffe
Additionally, you may get upgrades, patches and automatic repairs
recreating the keys and values, depending on what you do with them and
if they are keypaths.

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From: Bruce Cran [mailto:br...@cran.org.uk] 
Sent: 08 October 2010 12:26
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Application registry keys best practise

On Friday 08 October 2010 10:36:12 Mark Simonetti wrote:
>   Is it best practise for the installer to create all the registry
keys
> that the application itself might create?  I imagine the biggest pros
to
> that would be that the installer controls the default settings, also
> making them configurable on the installer command line, and also the
> keys will be removed if the application is uninstalled keeping it
clean.

The potential problem with having the installer create and remove them
is that 
users probably expect to be able to reinstall the application and have
their 
data still be accessible.

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[WiX-users] registry key change on radio button selection

2010-10-08 Thread David Amey
Hi all,

 

I once again require you expertise;

 

I have a registry key that I need stored [ok so far], the value is set
to a property which changes on a radio button selection. 

 

However the key value only ever takes the default value of the property,
it doesn't pick up the change when a different button is selected?

 

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks in advance!

David Amey
The Creative Engine Ltd
Almac House, Church Lane, Bisley, Surrey, GU24 9DR
T: +44 (0)1483 799200  F: +44 (0)1483 799111

 

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Re: [WiX-users] Application registry keys best practise

2010-10-08 Thread Bruce Cran
On Friday 08 October 2010 10:36:12 Mark Simonetti wrote:
>   Is it best practise for the installer to create all the registry keys
> that the application itself might create?  I imagine the biggest pros to
> that would be that the installer controls the default settings, also
> making them configurable on the installer command line, and also the
> keys will be removed if the application is uninstalled keeping it clean.

The potential problem with having the installer create and remove them is that 
users probably expect to be able to reinstall the application and have their 
data still be accessible.

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[WiX-users] Application registry keys best practise

2010-10-08 Thread Mark Simonetti
  Is it best practise for the installer to create all the registry keys 
that the application itself might create?  I imagine the biggest pros to 
that would be that the installer controls the default settings, also 
making them configurable on the installer command line, and also the 
keys will be removed if the application is uninstalled keeping it clean.

Thanks,
Mark.


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Re: [WiX-users] Installer appears very slow

2010-10-08 Thread Rob Hamflett
You can get a log of the install and each entry will contain a time stamp.  To 
get a full log run 
"msiexec  /l*vx log.txt".  I usually find that just using "msiexec 
 /leavx 
log.txt" gets me most of the information I need.

Rob

On 07/10/2010 21:21, Lena Vinogradov wrote:
> Hi ,
> I wrote a very small installer - copies about 20 files, starts service, adds 
> entry to firewall exception list. I originally used WixUI_Minimal then had to 
> switch  to  WixUI_InstallDir  with one dialog skipped.
>
> Even when I used WixUIMininal the installer seems to be very slow - it takes 
> up to 10 sec on a good machine after you click install (or next ) button 
> until it actually reports copying files/starting service, etc. It's even 
> worse on slow machines.
>
> Is there any way to troubleshoot it? What could installer be doing  during 
> this time?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Elena
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