Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public = more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Don Caton
Rob:

Signing up for a forum or mailing list is commonplace these days, and a trivial
one-time inconvenience.   

If someone can't figure out how to join a mailing list, they're probably not
going to have much success with Wix (or any type of programming for that
matter).

PLEASE require people to sign up for this list.  I think you'd be hard pressed
to find any list these days that doesn't require it.

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Re: [WiX-users] wix mailing lists open to public = more spam

2008-05-22 Thread Don Caton
Rob:

 I've had a number of people suggest that finding the signup page via
 SourceForge is very painful.

SourceForge is painful, period g.  I signed up for this list because the SF
interface to the list is absolutely horrible.

Wix is free and the support graciously provided by you and others is free.  A
one-time signup isn't all that much to ask for all that in return,  And it's a
small price to pay to keep spam out of the list, where every last member has to
waste time deleting it.

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Re: [WiX-users] Did WiX V3 projects break compatibility with earlier builds?

2008-05-14 Thread Don Caton
Scott:

 

MPF stands for 'Managed Package Framework', an incomplete and buggy framework
for building project systems that integrate into Visual Studio. It's part of the
Visual Studio SDK.  Consider yourself lucky that you don't have to deal with it.

 

Don

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Palmer
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:43 PM
To: Justin Rockwood
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Did WiX V3 projects break compatibility with earlier
builds?

 

It seems the real bug then is that there are two code paths... VB/C/C++ should
be implemented via the MPF stuff as well... then this never would have happened.
I say this still not knowing what MPF stands for or anything about it though.

 

Scott

 

On 14-May-08, at 10:45 AM, Justin Rockwood wrote:





No, other projects that are not based on the MPF (which includes VB/C#/C++) do
not lock because they do not have that bug. However, projects that are based on
the MPF (IronPython, if I remember correctly) do exhibit the same bug that WiX
has. This bug, in my mind, is one of the most annoying ones that should have
higher priority (along with the other one that you pointed out - same line
output). Thanks for the bug reports!

 

Justin

 

From: Scott Palmer 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:14 AM
To: Justin Rockwood
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Did WiX V3 projects break compatibility with earlier
builds?

 

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Justin Rockwood  wrote:

I hate the locking as well. Unfortunately, this is a bug in the MPF (the Visual
Studio SDK) that they have not fixed yet. We will have to just fix it on our own
instead of waiting for a fix from them. Note that it's not a trivial fix either
because it requires a separate thread to do the build.

Are you saying that other tasks like compiling and linking C/C++ code lock
things the same way.. but I assume for short enough periods of time that it
isn't noticeable?  I'm just wondering why I only notice this with WiX projects.
 ...

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Re: [WiX-users] Integrating documentation with Visual Studio 2008

2008-05-09 Thread Don Caton
You mean there's actually a Html Help team?  Wonder what they've been doing for
the past 10 or 11 years?

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:35 PM
To: Don Caton; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Integrating documentation with Visual Studio 2008

 

Yeah, we've sent this type of feedback to the Html Help team before.
Unfortunately, we (people who work on WiX) don't have control over the quality
of the merge module.

 

I'll send this one along again (just in case anyone over there thought things
were good enough).

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 15:05
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Integrating documentation with Visual Studio 2008

 

Doug:

 

I wasted days and days on this but was never able to get any of that to work,
even in VS2005.  The Wix docs for the tags in question are not helpful, and I
couldn't find any examples on the web.  Just questions, and a reference to a wix
bug that may or may not be fixed (the sourceforge page for that bug id returns a
blank page).

 

If you want to save yourself a ton of grief, check out Helpware's H2Reg utility
(www.helpware.net).  I include this little exe in our installer and  launch it
from a custom action after I run devenv/setup. It works great.  I think it's
free for individual use, but the site license was inexpensive, and far less than
the time I wasted trying to get it to work in Wix.

 

--

Don

 

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Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:20 PM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-users] Integrating documentation with Visual Studio 2008

 

I am trying to integrate documentation for my product into the VS 2008
documentation, using HTML_Help_Registration__RTL_---_---.msm and
VSIPCC_Collection_Files_RTL_---_---.msm included in the VS 2008 SDK. Has anyone
successfully accomplished this? What changes did you make to the html help merge
module to get it to work?

 

I encounter an unexpected error while merging. The merge log includes the
following:

Merging Sequence Table: ModuleInstallExecuteSequence into Database Table:
InstallExecuteSequence

Base Action ProcessComponents in InstallExecuteSequence table already exists in
MSI. Using MSI action.

Base Action InstallFinalize in InstallExecuteSequence table already exists in
MSI. Using MSI action.

Placing action CA_UnRegisterMicrosoftHelp.3643236F_FC70_11D3_A536_0090278A1BB8
before StopServices

.

 Warning: Changes were not saved to MSI Database.

Closed MSI Database.

 

I see a few other merging row lines but nothing which indicates an error. I
can't remove ProcessComponents and InstallFinalize from the
ModuleInstallExecuteSequence table because several entries refer to these as
their BaseAction, and BaseActions must also have their own entries in this
table. How have others worked around this?

 

--Doug

 

 

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Re: [WiX-users] Integrating documentation with Visual Studio 2008

2008-05-08 Thread Don Caton
Doug:

 

I wasted days and days on this but was never able to get any of that to work,
even in VS2005.  The Wix docs for the tags in question are not helpful, and I
couldn't find any examples on the web.  Just questions, and a reference to a wix
bug that may or may not be fixed (the sourceforge page for that bug id returns a
blank page).

 

If you want to save yourself a ton of grief, check out Helpware's H2Reg utility
(www.helpware.net).  I include this little exe in our installer and  launch it
from a custom action after I run devenv/setup. It works great.  I think it's
free for individual use, but the site license was inexpensive, and far less than
the time I wasted trying to get it to work in Wix.

 

--

Don

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Payne
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 2:20 PM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-users] Integrating documentation with Visual Studio 2008

 

I am trying to integrate documentation for my product into the VS 2008
documentation, using HTML_Help_Registration__RTL_---_---.msm and
VSIPCC_Collection_Files_RTL_---_---.msm included in the VS 2008 SDK. Has anyone
successfully accomplished this? What changes did you make to the html help merge
module to get it to work?

 

I encounter an unexpected error while merging. The merge log includes the
following:

Merging Sequence Table: ModuleInstallExecuteSequence into Database Table:
InstallExecuteSequence

Base Action ProcessComponents in InstallExecuteSequence table already exists in
MSI. Using MSI action.

Base Action InstallFinalize in InstallExecuteSequence table already exists in
MSI. Using MSI action.

Placing action CA_UnRegisterMicrosoftHelp.3643236F_FC70_11D3_A536_0090278A1BB8
before StopServices

.

 Warning: Changes were not saved to MSI Database.

Closed MSI Database.

 

I see a few other merging row lines but nothing which indicates an error. I
can't remove ProcessComponents and InstallFinalize from the
ModuleInstallExecuteSequence table because several entries refer to these as
their BaseAction, and BaseActions must also have their own entries in this
table. How have others worked around this?

 

--Doug

 

 

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