Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
In order to focus on finishing WiX v3, ClickThrough has been pushed to WiX v4. Lots of good ideas in there that just aren't baked enough yet to be fully useful. Rob Series wrote: Thanks to Neil for his comments. I was actually asking about both Click Through and Click Once. Unfortunately our server runs Apache, so I don't think I can use Click Once and it looks like its a bit premature to move to Click Through. For the moment I think we will stay with our home grown solutions and do a custom MSI file for the 'enterprise' users at each major update. Rob -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
Thanks to Neil for his comments. I was actually asking about both Click Through and Click Once. Unfortunately our server runs Apache, so I don't think I can use Click Once and it looks like its a bit premature to move to Click Through. For the moment I think we will stay with our home grown solutions and do a custom MSI file for the 'enterprise' users at each major update. Rob -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
Hi Guys, I wonder if you could give some advice on installer technology. We are a small company with a number of products based on VB6. Our flagship product comprises about 20 (VB6) ActiveX dlls and a couple of ActiveX .exe servers and about 500 resource files. A typical install is between 200 and 500Mb. In addition to the installer we have a web based update utility that allows us to distribute patches via the internet. We typically release one new patch a week. We localise the product and installer for about 15 countries including Greek, hebrew, Suomi (Finnish). We are considering Chinese, Japanese and Bengali. We need to support Xp and Vista ( and preferably Win98) Our current installer and updater are home grown, based on the original VB6 setup engine. Increasingly our product is being taken up by schools who find our non-standard installer difficult to manage. We are therfore looking for alternative installers/updater such as Click Once/Click Through or MSI based. My questions are: 1) Is Click Through stable enough to be considered for commercial use? 2) Is it suitable for VB6 applications (as opposed to .net apps)? 3) If I cant use Click Through, is it possible to use Wix/MSI technologies and web based technology to deliver patches. Note that some of our files are quite large and it is important that we don't download files that are not required. Many thanks Rob Series Sensory Software International -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
I have a similar application to yours although we don't deliver across the web but internally from a server installed on the client site. There is some information on using clickonce with VB6 here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa697430(VS.80).aspx, I got something to work but it wasn't at all easy to get it work reliably in all scenarios. This was mainly due to COM registration, using reg-free COM helped. For me the biggest issue was signing of the install, it would have meant re-signing the application on every client site. My experience of ClickOnce is that it is really not ready for the big time. There is some good stuff about reg-free COM here: http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/bethmassi/archive/2007/06/27/deploying-intero p-usercontrols.aspx. I am still looking for a good solution to this problem. My current favourite is to use a standard MSI and then download/install it in a similar way to Windows Updates. I think I will have to write the code to do this although the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) may help. I hope this helps. Neil -Original Message- From: Rob Series [mailto:r...@sensorysoftware.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 16:34 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted Hi Guys, I wonder if you could give some advice on installer technology. We are a small company with a number of products based on VB6. Our flagship product comprises about 20 (VB6) ActiveX dlls and a couple of ActiveX .exe servers and about 500 resource files. A typical install is between 200 and 500Mb. In addition to the installer we have a web based update utility that allows us to distribute patches via the internet. We typically release one new patch a week. We localise the product and installer for about 15 countries including Greek, hebrew, Suomi (Finnish). We are considering Chinese, Japanese and Bengali. We need to support Xp and Vista ( and preferably Win98) Our current installer and updater are home grown, based on the original VB6 setup engine. Increasingly our product is being taken up by schools who find our non-standard installer difficult to manage. We are therfore looking for alternative installers/updater such as Click Once/Click Through or MSI based. My questions are: 1) Is Click Through stable enough to be considered for commercial use? 2) Is it suitable for VB6 applications (as opposed to .net apps)? 3) If I cant use Click Through, is it possible to use Wix/MSI technologies and web based technology to deliver patches. Note that some of our files are quite large and it is important that we don't download files that are not required. Many thanks Rob Series Sensory Software International -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
I'm not in a position to help, but clarification about whether the original poster meant to say Click Once Or Click Through would be helpful before this discussion goes a lot further. -Original Message- From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted I have a similar application to yours although we don't deliver across the web but internally from a server installed on the client site. There is some information on using clickonce with VB6 here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa697430(VS.80).aspx, I got something to work but it wasn't at all easy to get it work reliably in all scenarios. This was mainly due to COM registration, using reg-free COM helped. For me the biggest issue was signing of the install, it would have meant re-signing the application on every client site. My experience of ClickOnce is that it is really not ready for the big time. There is some good stuff about reg-free COM here: http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/bethmassi/archive/2007/06/27/deploying-intero p-usercontrols.aspx. I am still looking for a good solution to this problem. My current favourite is to use a standard MSI and then download/install it in a similar way to Windows Updates. I think I will have to write the code to do this although the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) may help. I hope this helps. Neil -Original Message- From: Rob Series [mailto:r...@sensorysoftware.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 16:34 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted Hi Guys, I wonder if you could give some advice on installer technology. We are a small company with a number of products based on VB6. Our flagship product comprises about 20 (VB6) ActiveX dlls and a couple of ActiveX .exe servers and about 500 resource files. A typical install is between 200 and 500Mb. In addition to the installer we have a web based update utility that allows us to distribute patches via the internet. We typically release one new patch a week. We localise the product and installer for about 15 countries including Greek, hebrew, Suomi (Finnish). We are considering Chinese, Japanese and Bengali. We need to support Xp and Vista ( and preferably Win98) Our current installer and updater are home grown, based on the original VB6 setup engine. Increasingly our product is being taken up by schools who find our non-standard installer difficult to manage. We are therfore looking for alternative installers/updater such as Click Once/Click Through or MSI based. My questions are: 1) Is Click Through stable enough to be considered for commercial use? 2) Is it suitable for VB6 applications (as opposed to .net apps)? 3) If I cant use Click Through, is it possible to use Wix/MSI technologies and web based technology to deliver patches. Note that some of our files are quite large and it is important that we don't download files that are not required. Many thanks Rob Series Sensory Software International -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
I was under the impression that ClickThrough was an implementation of ClickOnce but I may be wrong. Neil -Original Message- From: Phil Sayers [mailto:p...@cds-am.net] Sent: 05 March 2009 18:38 To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted I'm not in a position to help, but clarification about whether the original poster meant to say Click Once Or Click Through would be helpful before this discussion goes a lot further. -Original Message- From: Neil Sleightholm [mailto:n...@x2systems.com] Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:17 PM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted I have a similar application to yours although we don't deliver across the web but internally from a server installed on the client site. There is some information on using clickonce with VB6 here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa697430(VS.80).aspx, I got something to work but it wasn't at all easy to get it work reliably in all scenarios. This was mainly due to COM registration, using reg-free COM helped. For me the biggest issue was signing of the install, it would have meant re-signing the application on every client site. My experience of ClickOnce is that it is really not ready for the big time. There is some good stuff about reg-free COM here: http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/bethmassi/archive/2007/06/27/deploying-intero p-usercontrols.aspx. I am still looking for a good solution to this problem. My current favourite is to use a standard MSI and then download/install it in a similar way to Windows Updates. I think I will have to write the code to do this although the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) may help. I hope this helps. Neil -Original Message- From: Rob Series [mailto:r...@sensorysoftware.com] Sent: 05 March 2009 16:34 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted Hi Guys, I wonder if you could give some advice on installer technology. We are a small company with a number of products based on VB6. Our flagship product comprises about 20 (VB6) ActiveX dlls and a couple of ActiveX .exe servers and about 500 resource files. A typical install is between 200 and 500Mb. In addition to the installer we have a web based update utility that allows us to distribute patches via the internet. We typically release one new patch a week. We localise the product and installer for about 15 countries including Greek, hebrew, Suomi (Finnish). We are considering Chinese, Japanese and Bengali. We need to support Xp and Vista ( and preferably Win98) Our current installer and updater are home grown, based on the original VB6 setup engine. Increasingly our product is being taken up by schools who find our non-standard installer difficult to manage. We are therfore looking for alternative installers/updater such as Click Once/Click Through or MSI based. My questions are: 1) Is Click Through stable enough to be considered for commercial use? 2) Is it suitable for VB6 applications (as opposed to .net apps)? 3) If I cant use Click Through, is it possible to use Wix/MSI technologies and web based technology to deliver patches. Note that some of our files are quite large and it is important that we don't download files that are not required. Many thanks Rob Series Sensory Software International -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee
Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
Neil Sleightholm wrote: I was under the impression that ClickThrough was an implementation of ClickOnce but I may be wrong. ClickOnce is a WiX/MSI solution for the same scope of problem that ClickOnce aims to solve. -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/ -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Advice on Click Through technology wanted
Bob Arnson wrote: ClickOnce is a WiX/MSI solution for the same scope of problem that ClickOnce aims to solve. sigh Click*Through* is a WiX/MSI solution for the same scope of problem that ClickOnce aims to solve. -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/ -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
