Re: [WiX-users] Wix Licensing revisited
On 27-Feb-12 11:29, Rob Mensching wrote: > I am not a lawyer so my comments cannot provide you legal advice but my > legally uneducated understanding of the license is that the output of the > tools is not OSS. Of course, any use of a WiX extension or Burn includes code licensed under the CPL... -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/ -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Wix Licensing revisited
I am not a lawyer so my comments cannot provide you legal advice but my legally uneducated understanding of the license is that the output of the tools is not OSS. Our *intention* is that if you change the code in our repository, that needs to be released (back to us hopefully). If you create your own code, that's yours. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Tobi Ha wrote: > Hello every one and WiX Team, > my boss want's to know the following regarding the CPL WiX is lecensed > under: > Are outputs of WiX tools, e.g. msi files, under CPL or another OSS license? > > I for myself believe not, but my boss likes to get a statement from the > WiX team, so please answer my question. > > Thanks for you help. > Best regards, > Tobias > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de > > > -- > Try before you buy = See our experts in action! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > -- virtually, Rob Mensching - http://RobMensching.com LLC -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Wix Licensing revisited
I'd suggest that your boss talk to his own retained or internal counsel. It's prima facie case to me that the license of a compiler doesn't transfer to the built object code format of your IP. However, I'm not in the business, nor do I imagine the WiX team is in the business, of giving legal advice. Then again, it might be time for a new boss also. :-) From: "Tobi Ha" Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:06 AM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net, wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Wix Licensing revisited Hello every one and WiX Team, my boss want's to know the following regarding the CPL WiX is lecensed under: Are outputs of WiX tools, e.g. msi files, under CPL or another OSS license? I for myself believe not, but my boss likes to get a statement from the WiX team, so please answer my question. Thanks for you help. Best regards, Tobias -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] Wix Licensing revisited
Hello every one and WiX Team, my boss want's to know the following regarding the CPL WiX is lecensed under: Are outputs of WiX tools, e.g. msi files, under CPL or another OSS license? I for myself believe not, but my boss likes to get a statement from the WiX team, so please answer my question. Thanks for you help. Best regards, Tobias -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing
Strange. We (Microsoft lawyers, actually) picked the CPL because it wasn't too restrictive. Licenses aren't like software. You can't just upgrade them because they are old. I'd like to understand better the root issue here. It is theoretically possible for WiX to change the license but I'd have to get Microsoft legal to help through the process. Feel free to contact me off list if this isn't something you can get your legal team talking about here. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:20 PM, James Poole wrote: > I just sat through a meeting at my employer for the last 3 months (a > significantly large software company) who told me the CPL license WIX is > released under was too restrictive to allow me to use it as a development > tool. Of course I just spent the last 2 months porting a horrific > InstallShield installer to WIX... > > Is there any chance this license will ever get updated to a more recent > open > source license (CPL is sooo 2001). > > Or is there any way for me to purchase WIX under a different license? > > -- > Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program > Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users > worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and > speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > -- virtually, Rob Mensching - http://RobMensching.com LLC -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing
Microsoft does copyright assignments for all contributions to WiX so they are in fact the sole contributor in the context of this license. I believe the process would be fat chance in hell but only Rob could speak to any possiblity of negotiating this. I know that the my internal group that I mentioned earlier has on occasion forced vendors to negotiate different terms and licenses so it's not impossible, just extremely difficutl. I had to deal with this extensively this year because my very own open source project IsWiX actually was born as an internal research and development activity at my company and I had to negotiate with them to assign all of the IP to me so that I could release it as open source and then license it back to them. Very complicated stuff licensing can be. Chris - Original Message From: James Poole To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Sent: Thu, August 26, 2010 9:57:53 AM Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing Apparently my company is OK with the Eclipse Public License but not the Common Public License, and the only change between the two is the removal of this sentence in section 7: *"If Recipient institutes patent litigation against a Contributor with respect to a patent applicable to software (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit), then any patent licenses granted by that Contributor to such Recipient under this Agreement shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed." *Other companies apparently did have issues with this part of the CPL which is why the Eclipse foundation created an updated version. My question is this: Is Microsoft still the ultimate decision maker when it comes to what license this is released under? What would the process be for having this get released under a newer open source license? -James On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Christopher Painter < chr...@deploymentengineering.com> wrote: > That's interesting. I also work for a very large software company and we > have > a highly formal process for evaluating tools with a group of people that > study > these things in extreme detail and while I did have to jump through some > compliance hoops ( for example we did Fortify security scans and I had to > track > down any false positives with the help of Rob to justify the alerts ) > nobody > made any such statement about the EULA. I'm suspecting the person who made > this > decision is misinformed but unless we know there exact complaints it's hard > to > address them. > > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves > attention? E-Mail Me > > > > - Original Message > From: James Poole > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 2:20:37 PM > Subject: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing > > I just sat through a meeting at my employer for the last 3 months (a > significantly large software company) who told me the CPL license WIX is > released under was too restrictive to allow me to use it as a development > tool. Of course I just spent the last 2 months porting a horrific > InstallShield installer to WIX... > > Is there any chance this license will ever get updated to a more recent > open > source license (CPL is sooo 2001). > > Or is there any way for me to purchase WIX under a different license? > > -- > Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program > Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users > worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and > speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > -- > Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program > Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users > worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and > speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be par
Re: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing
Apparently my company is OK with the Eclipse Public License but not the Common Public License, and the only change between the two is the removal of this sentence in section 7: *"If Recipient institutes patent litigation against a Contributor with respect to a patent applicable to software (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit), then any patent licenses granted by that Contributor to such Recipient under this Agreement shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed." *Other companies apparently did have issues with this part of the CPL which is why the Eclipse foundation created an updated version. My question is this: Is Microsoft still the ultimate decision maker when it comes to what license this is released under? What would the process be for having this get released under a newer open source license? -James On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Christopher Painter < chr...@deploymentengineering.com> wrote: > That's interesting. I also work for a very large software company and we > have > a highly formal process for evaluating tools with a group of people that > study > these things in extreme detail and while I did have to jump through some > compliance hoops ( for example we did Fortify security scans and I had to > track > down any false positives with the help of Rob to justify the alerts ) > nobody > made any such statement about the EULA. I'm suspecting the person who made > this > decision is misinformed but unless we know there exact complaints it's hard > to > address them. > > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves > attention? E-Mail Me > > > > - Original Message > From: James Poole > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 2:20:37 PM > Subject: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing > > I just sat through a meeting at my employer for the last 3 months (a > significantly large software company) who told me the CPL license WIX is > released under was too restrictive to allow me to use it as a development > tool. Of course I just spent the last 2 months porting a horrific > InstallShield installer to WIX... > > Is there any chance this license will ever get updated to a more recent > open > source license (CPL is sooo 2001). > > Or is there any way for me to purchase WIX under a different license? > > -- > Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program > Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users > worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and > speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > -- > Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program > Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users > worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and > speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d > ___ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing
That's interesting. I also work for a very large software company and we have a highly formal process for evaluating tools with a group of people that study these things in extreme detail and while I did have to jump through some compliance hoops ( for example we did Fortify security scans and I had to track down any false positives with the help of Rob to justify the alerts ) nobody made any such statement about the EULA. I'm suspecting the person who made this decision is misinformed but unless we know there exact complaints it's hard to address them. Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves attention? E-Mail Me - Original Message From: James Poole To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 2:20:37 PM Subject: [WiX-users] WIX Licensing I just sat through a meeting at my employer for the last 3 months (a significantly large software company) who told me the CPL license WIX is released under was too restrictive to allow me to use it as a development tool. Of course I just spent the last 2 months porting a horrific InstallShield installer to WIX... Is there any chance this license will ever get updated to a more recent open source license (CPL is sooo 2001). Or is there any way for me to purchase WIX under a different license? -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] WIX Licensing
I just sat through a meeting at my employer for the last 3 months (a significantly large software company) who told me the CPL license WIX is released under was too restrictive to allow me to use it as a development tool. Of course I just spent the last 2 months porting a horrific InstallShield installer to WIX... Is there any chance this license will ever get updated to a more recent open source license (CPL is sooo 2001). Or is there any way for me to purchase WIX under a different license? -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
