Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Christopher Painter
Entirely too complicated!

In one blog article they say windows isn't a ship vehicle for .NET and in 
another blog article they say that they took it out to keep the size of the 
foot print to a minimum.   Which is it?

Fortunately  I don't have to worry about this right now.  I can just author 
a LaunchCondition as all of my deliverables to the SCCM team are single 
MSI's with no prereq handling.  That's someone else's nightmare to deal 
with.  I just do Launch Condition checks.


 From: "Martin Hueser" 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:49 AM
To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset." 

Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

Hi,
this might be of some help:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/archive/2012/05/14/windows-8-and-net-fram
ework-3-5.aspx

Martin

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Neil Hayes  wrote:

> I have an installation which has the .NET Framework 3.5 etc. as
> prerequisites.
>
> In the past I've been able to install the .NET Framework by calling the
> redistributable package.
>
> What is the correct approach for Windows 8?
>
> Most of my target market does not have internet connectivity. IT
> departments install machines then pass them out to the users. There are 
no
> ISO images of the Windows 8 install or folders that I'm aware of on 
users
> machines that enable me to call "dism /online /enable-feature
> /featurename:NetFx3 /all /source:\sources\sxs" as the source 
is
> held with the IT departments.
>
> Should I just fail the install as I can't install the prerequisite?
> Or have I got the wrong approach.
>
> Neil
>
>
> 

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Martin Hueser
Hi,
this might be of some help:

http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/archive/2012/05/14/windows-8-and-net-framework-3-5.aspx

Martin

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Neil Hayes  wrote:

> I have an installation which has the .NET Framework 3.5 etc. as
> prerequisites.
>
> In the past I've been able to install the .NET Framework by calling the
> redistributable package.
>
> What is the correct approach for Windows 8?
>
> Most of my target market does not have internet connectivity. IT
> departments install machines then pass them out to the users. There are no
> ISO images of the Windows 8 install or folders that I'm aware of on users
> machines that enable me to call "dism /online /enable-feature
> /featurename:NetFx3 /all /source:\sources\sxs" as the source is
> held with the IT departments.
>
> Should I just fail the install as I can't install the prerequisite?
> Or have I got the wrong approach.
>
> Neil
>
>
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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Rob Mensching
And now you know why we didn't just implement a "WindowsRolePackage" in
Burn. Interacting with Windows features is never easy. 

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Neil Sleightholm wrote:

> That is totally ridiculous, I have users without internet connections
> (secure sites) and no one keeps the original media! We can move our
> application to .NET 4.0 but SQL 2008 requires .NET3.5 and we can't move to
> SQL 2012 because that doesn't support Windows XP!
>
> Neil
>
>
> >Actually it looks like it's not an MSU but it does need access to the
> >orgignal media as it's not cached in the sources wim.  ( Yeah, Windows XP
> >is back!! )
> >
> >BTW, found this article:
> >
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh506443.aspx
> >
> > And this little gem
> >
> >"Windows CardSpace is not available with the .NET Framework 3.5 on
> >Windows
> >8."
> >
> >I don't know how many people used CardSpace but it's very odd that 3.5 is
> >'installed' but that an entire subsystem is missing!
> >
> >--------
> > From: "Christopher Painter" 
> >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:33 AM
> >To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset."
> >, wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5
> >
> >Translating...
> >
> >So depending on O/S you you need to.
> >
> >1) download and install an MSU to get it to show up as a feature and then
> >call dism or similar to add the feature
> >or
> >2) just enable the feature
> >or
> >3) run the exe redist to install the product
> >
> >or perhaps on a future O/S the feature won't even be available to
> >download
> >
> >Does anyone besides me think this is ridiculous?
> >
> >
> >From: "Bob Arnson" 
> >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:10 AM
> >To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5
> >
> >On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
> >> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original
> >media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
> >That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows
> >Update.
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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Neil Sleightholm
That is totally ridiculous, I have users without internet connections
(secure sites) and no one keeps the original media! We can move our
application to .NET 4.0 but SQL 2008 requires .NET3.5 and we can't move to
SQL 2012 because that doesn't support Windows XP!

Neil


>Actually it looks like it's not an MSU but it does need access to the
>orgignal media as it's not cached in the sources wim.  ( Yeah, Windows XP
>is back!! )  
>
>BTW, found this article:
>
>http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh506443.aspx
>
> And this little gem
>
>"Windows CardSpace is not available with the .NET Framework 3.5 on
>Windows 
>8."
>
>I don't know how many people used CardSpace but it's very odd that 3.5 is
>'installed' but that an entire subsystem is missing!
>
>
> From: "Christopher Painter" 
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:33 AM
>To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset."
>, wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5
>
>Translating... 
>
>So depending on O/S you you need to.
>
>1) download and install an MSU to get it to show up as a feature and then
>call dism or similar to add the feature
>or
>2) just enable the feature
>or
>3) run the exe redist to install the product
>
>or perhaps on a future O/S the feature won't even be available to
>download
>
>Does anyone besides me think this is ridiculous?
>
>
>From: "Bob Arnson" 
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:10 AM
>To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5
>
>On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
>> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original
>media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
>That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows
>Update.
>
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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Neil Sleightholm
Thanks for the tip about the msu - I need to find a way to support offline
installs with no user intervention.

Yes this is ridiculous but a similar process to installing Windows
Installer 4.5 where you need 5 different resists depending on the OS.

Neil


>Translating... 
>
>So depending on O/S you you need to.
> 
>
>1) download and install an MSU to get it to show up as a feature and then
>call dism or similar to add the feature
>or
>2) just enable the feature
>or
>3) run the exe redist to install the product
>
>or perhaps on a future O/S the feature won't even be available to
>download
>
> Does anyone besides me think this is ridiculous?
>
>
> From: "Bob Arnson" 
>Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:10 AM
>To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5
>
>On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
>> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original
>media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
>That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows
>Update.
>
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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Christopher Painter
Actually it looks like it's not an MSU but it does need access to the 
orgignal media as it's not cached in the sources wim.  ( Yeah, Windows XP 
is back!! )  

BTW, found this article:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh506443.aspx

 And this little gem

"Windows CardSpace is not available with the .NET Framework 3.5 on Windows 
8."

I don't know how many people used CardSpace but it's very odd that 3.5 is 
'installed' but that an entire subsystem is missing!


 From: "Christopher Painter" 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:33 AM
To: "General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset." 
, wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

Translating... 

So depending on O/S you you need to.

1) download and install an MSU to get it to show up as a feature and then 
call dism or similar to add the feature
or
2) just enable the feature
or
3) run the exe redist to install the product

or perhaps on a future O/S the feature won't even be available to 
download

Does anyone besides me think this is ridiculous?


From: "Bob Arnson" 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:10 AM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original 
media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows 
Update.

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Christopher Painter
Translating... 

So depending on O/S you you need to.
 

1) download and install an MSU to get it to show up as a feature and then 
call dism or similar to add the feature
or
2) just enable the feature
or
3) run the exe redist to install the product

or perhaps on a future O/S the feature won't even be available to 
download

 Does anyone besides me think this is ridiculous?


 From: "Bob Arnson" 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:10 AM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original 
media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows 
Update.

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Neil Sleightholm
That is disappointing, so there is no way to install .NET 3.5 on Win8
without an internet connection (or original media)?

I think you might mean Windows 2008 R2 rather than Win7 as the .NET 3.5
install runs ok on Win7.

Neil


>On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
>> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original
>>media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
>That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows
>Update.
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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-30 Thread Bob Arnson
On 29-Aug-12 03:58, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
> As far as I am aware you don't need internet access or the original media, 
> .NET 3.5 is just a feature that needs enabling.
That was true in Win7 but in Win8 it requires a download from Windows 
Update.

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-29 Thread Neil Sleightholm
I hadn't noticed that in Windows 8. You could call dism in the same way - see 
my post "Installing Windows Features with Burn". As far as I am aware you don't 
need internet access or the original media, .NET 3.5 is just a feature that 
needs enabling.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Neil Hayes [mailto:neil.ha...@syspro.com] 
Sent: 29 August 2012 08:14
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

Interesting

Windows 8 say's (ocsetup  /? ) OCSETUP has been deprecated. Please update your 
scripts to use DISM.exe to add or remove optional components from your system.

I see this being a serious problem in deploying software timeously, before I 
could just install the .NET Framework, now it looks like putting 30 machines 
through the IT dept to get the framework rolled out before I can deploy.

I'd hate for one of our techies to get to a remote location to find the IT dept 
missed 5 machines and they can't do anything about it.

Take a local university, just 30 odd users, no internet access, no Windows 8 
source available. Windows updates managed by group policy.

Open to suggestions.

Neil

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-29 Thread Neil Hayes
I think this probably sums it up, fail deployment until the .NET Framework 3.5 
is installed, or deploy without it and rely on the shim prompting for 
installation.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/hh975396.aspx

Neil

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-29 Thread Neil Hayes
Interesting

Windows 8 say's (ocsetup  /? ) OCSETUP has been deprecated. Please update your 
scripts to use DISM.exe to add or remove optional components from your system.

I see this being a serious problem in deploying software timeously, before I 
could just install the .NET Framework, now it looks like putting 30 machines 
through the IT dept to get the framework rolled out before I can deploy.

I'd hate for one of our techies to get to a remote location to find the IT dept 
missed 5 machines and they can't do anything about it.

Take a local university, just 30 odd users, no internet access, no Windows 8 
source available. Windows updates managed by group policy.

Open to suggestions.

Neil

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Re: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

2012-08-28 Thread Neil Sleightholm
The approach I am using is to run "ocsetup NetFx3", this seems to work ok and 
does not require internet access.

Neil

-Original Message-
From: Neil Hayes [mailto:neil.ha...@syspro.com] 
Sent: 28 August 2012 1:24 PM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-users] Windows 8 NetFX3.5

I have an installation which has the .NET Framework 3.5 etc. as prerequisites.

In the past I've been able to install the .NET Framework by calling the 
redistributable package.

What is the correct approach for Windows 8?

Most of my target market does not have internet connectivity. IT departments 
install machines then pass them out to the users. There are no ISO images of 
the Windows 8 install or folders that I'm aware of on users machines that 
enable me to call "dism /online /enable-feature /featurename:NetFx3 /all 
/source:\sources\sxs" as the source is held with the IT departments.

Should I just fail the install as I can't install the prerequisite?
Or have I got the wrong approach.

Neil

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