[wpkg-users] Some unknown never before seen error message while uninstall check

2009-02-10 Thread Mike Burgener
Hi All

I get this error which I've never seen before on 1 host trying to 
wpkg-enable.

2009-02-11 08:36:51, DEBUG  : Checking existence of package: ActiveState 
Perl
2009-02-11 08:36:51, ERROR  : Error when searching registry sub-keys at 
'HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall'|Code: 
80004002; Descriptions: No such interface supported 
2009-02-11 08:36:51, ERROR  : Message:  'length' is null or not an 
object|Description:  'length' is null or not an object|Error number: 
800a138f|Stack:undefined|Line: undefined|

Greets

Mike
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Re: [wpkg-users] Special install command not working

2009-02-10 Thread Mike Burgener
Rainer Meier wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Mike Burgener wrote:
>> echo yes |
>> 
> \\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\Utilities\Installer\2.1\1047\win_32-pen
>> ti um\wh.exe install -p RVDS --source %SOFTWARE%\arm\rvds\ --target
>> "%programfiles%\ARM" --env SYSTEM regedit /s
>> 
> \\server\pcsoft\install\pkgs\packages\registry\license_server_rvds.reg
>> xcopy /E /Y "\\server\pcsoft\install\ARM_RVDS_301\MWPerlWin"
>> 
> "%programfiles%\ARM\IDEs\CodeWarrior\CodeWarrior\5.7.0.1899\13\win_32-
>> pe
>> ntium\bin\Plugins"
>> xcopy /E /Y "\\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\patches"
>> "%programfiles%\ARM\RVCT\Programs\3.0\586\win_32-pentium"
>> 
>> However, this seems not to work
>> 
>> Installer waits for "echo yes |" input
>> 
>> Kind regards and greets
> 
> First of all .bat extension is not used since long time. You
> should switch to .cmd extension.

Ok, I will have a look at that.
> 
> As I don't know the wh.exe tool and if it correctly works
> when echoing "yes" to it I don't know if it is really hanging at this
> specific line. However you can easily run your cmd script now
> manually (without WPKG). Make sure it runs unattended before
> continuing to run it via WPKG. When it works you might try again
> using WPKG. 

I think I already tested it manually, but I will recheck, I have 
currently another bigger problem with wpkg, so this can wait.

Thanks for help already

Greets

Mike
> 
> br,
> Rainer


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[wpkg-users] Problem installing VNC device driver

2009-02-10 Thread Joel Franco
Hi all,

Thank you by the excellent software.

I have a interesting question that is taking me 2 weeks and I still can not
solve it.

When i install UltraVNC 1.0.2, it fails to install the video device driver that
is needed to burn less CPU with UltraVNC.

When i install it using the local administrator account, is runs fine, but when 
i install it using the SYSTEM user (that is used by the WPKG Service) the 
device appears in the display items, but it indicates a problem with the yellow 
color in it icon. It appears that it do not find the file drivers. This files, 
are already installed, at install device driver point, in the local disk.

Someone have some light that can help me?

Thank You.

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Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each time WPKGruns...

2009-02-10 Thread K . E . Jones
Hiya,

 I stand corrected ;-)

> -Original Message-
> From: wpkg-users-boun...@lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-
> boun...@lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of k.e.jo...@bton.ac.uk
> Sent: 11 February 2009 02:33
> To: Chris Wilcox
> Cc: wpkg
> Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each
time
> WPKGruns...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wpkg-users-boun...@lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-
> > boun...@lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz Chmielewski
> > Sent: 10 February 2009 22:06
> > To: Chris Wilcox
> > Cc: wpkg
> > Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each
> time
> > WPKG runs...
> >
> > Chris Wilcox schrieb:
> >
> > > That gets me to my question - the commercial system I use will
> never
> > > initiate a package installation if the local and network ini file
> > says
> > > that the package is already installed.  With WPKG, it seems you
> MUST
> > > specifiy conditions to prevent this occuring?  Most of the
software
> I
> > > use is educational stuff and is not listed in any of the WPKG
> silent
> > > installer pages - it can often be quite difficult to work out what
> > > condition syntax to use to prevent installs repeating at each
> > > workstation boot - MSI's handle this a little better as they don't
> > > normally repeat the whole install, but many exe based
installations
> > > insist on re-installing even if the app is already on.
> > >
> > > Am I missing something obvious here?  Should WPKG try to repeat
> > installs
> > > at every boot if the package does not have any condition syntax?
> >
> > You missed this one:
> >
> > http://wpkg.org/Execute_once_/_always
> >
> > Does it solve your problem?
> >
> >
> 
> Hi Tomasz,
> 
>  I'm not entirely sure Chris meant that. I think he was talking more
> about the general
> complexity of package definitions as a whole.
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
>  Most commercial systems rely on solely on getting a clean exit from
an
> install and
> then updating their files to say software is installed. In an ideal
> world this is totally
> correct and just "works". In an un-ideal world, just because an
> installer says it worked,
> it's not necessarily true that it worked the way you expected. I see
> what you mean but in
> some ways you're highlighting a problem with the commercial systems.
> They don't "check",
> they make assumptions...
> 
>  WPKG hedges its bets because, quite frankly, dumb things happen.
> Installers can sometimes
> screw up without appearing to fail and if they don't re-check things
> you
> also run the risk
> of admins and power users fiddling with stuff behind their backs.
> 
>  The "checks" are simple tests to look for some key registry entry,
> file
> or other thing to
> verify if a package is installed or not. It's kept flexible so WPKG
can
> be a general launcher
> of software and not just installers but you can also put more checks
in
> to handle power users
> and admins playing with things.
> 
>  I have to admit working out the "checks" to confirm something is
> installed can be a pain
> but it is literally a precautionary test to check if software got
> installed. I generally
> only use the "uninstall" key check to confirm things. I've rarely used
> the other checks
> because most people fear my wrath if they play around with their
> systems
> ;-)
> 
>  The things is, as you quite rightly say, WPKG *always* performs these
> checks. I don't think
> anyone has queried that before and that's a bonofide comment. I'm
> wondering if you really
> could streamline WPKG to not need checks... hrmmm... It's worth
> thinking
> about! I'll try
> and do some groundwork for the devs and see if I can make a case for
it.
> 

And ...and here I'm corrected ! As Rainer says, if you don't supply
checks... no checks are made... doh! Back to reading the code again!

Keith

>  I come from an educational background too. Even worse, we teach
> "Business" here so the software
> is expensive and full of copyright protections! If you'd seen the
utter
> rubbish with activation
> keys, internet activation and registration dialogs our software throws
> up you'd understand why
> I'm glad I've got WPKG to play with!
> 
>  I've tried just about everything from repackaging software, making my
> own self-healing MSIs,
> using AutoIt (to automate keypresses) through to fighting old
> InstallShield setups and recording
> response files to replay to it. Installers are just nuts nowadays!
> 
>  I agree totally with you on the MSI front. MSI's are a much cleaner
> way
> of installing software.
> I also have to admit that they're a right pain to write correctly! MS
> has not approached
> MSI with an idea of making it simple!
> 
> Ho hum,
> 
>  Anyway, I'd better get back to other things...
> 
>  Have fun,
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> >
> > --
> > Tomasz Chmielewski
> >
> >
>
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Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each time WPKG runs...

2009-02-10 Thread K . E . Jones
Hi,

> -Original Message-
> From: wpkg-users-boun...@lists.wpkg.org [mailto:wpkg-users-
> boun...@lists.wpkg.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz Chmielewski
> Sent: 10 February 2009 22:06
> To: Chris Wilcox
> Cc: wpkg
> Subject: Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each
time
> WPKG runs...
> 
> Chris Wilcox schrieb:
> 
> > That gets me to my question - the commercial system I use will never
> > initiate a package installation if the local and network ini file
> says
> > that the package is already installed.  With WPKG, it seems you MUST
> > specifiy conditions to prevent this occuring?  Most of the software
I
> > use is educational stuff and is not listed in any of the WPKG silent
> > installer pages - it can often be quite difficult to work out what
> > condition syntax to use to prevent installs repeating at each
> > workstation boot - MSI's handle this a little better as they don't
> > normally repeat the whole install, but many exe based installations
> > insist on re-installing even if the app is already on.
> >
> > Am I missing something obvious here?  Should WPKG try to repeat
> installs
> > at every boot if the package does not have any condition syntax?
> 
> You missed this one:
> 
> http://wpkg.org/Execute_once_/_always
> 
> Does it solve your problem?
> 
> 

Hi Tomasz,

 I'm not entirely sure Chris meant that. I think he was talking more
about the general
complexity of package definitions as a whole.

Hi Chris,

 Most commercial systems rely on solely on getting a clean exit from an
install and
then updating their files to say software is installed. In an ideal
world this is totally
correct and just "works". In an un-ideal world, just because an
installer says it worked,
it's not necessarily true that it worked the way you expected. I see
what you mean but in
some ways you're highlighting a problem with the commercial systems.
They don't "check",
they make assumptions...

 WPKG hedges its bets because, quite frankly, dumb things happen.
Installers can sometimes
screw up without appearing to fail and if they don't re-check things you
also run the risk
of admins and power users fiddling with stuff behind their backs.

 The "checks" are simple tests to look for some key registry entry, file
or other thing to
verify if a package is installed or not. It's kept flexible so WPKG can
be a general launcher
of software and not just installers but you can also put more checks in
to handle power users
and admins playing with things.

 I have to admit working out the "checks" to confirm something is
installed can be a pain
but it is literally a precautionary test to check if software got
installed. I generally
only use the "uninstall" key check to confirm things. I've rarely used
the other checks
because most people fear my wrath if they play around with their systems
;-)

 The things is, as you quite rightly say, WPKG *always* performs these
checks. I don't think
anyone has queried that before and that's a bonofide comment. I'm
wondering if you really
could streamline WPKG to not need checks... hrmmm... It's worth thinking
about! I'll try
and do some groundwork for the devs and see if I can make a case for it.

 I come from an educational background too. Even worse, we teach
"Business" here so the software
is expensive and full of copyright protections! If you'd seen the utter
rubbish with activation
keys, internet activation and registration dialogs our software throws
up you'd understand why
I'm glad I've got WPKG to play with! 

 I've tried just about everything from repackaging software, making my
own self-healing MSIs,
using AutoIt (to automate keypresses) through to fighting old
InstallShield setups and recording
response files to replay to it. Installers are just nuts nowadays!

 I agree totally with you on the MSI front. MSI's are a much cleaner way
of installing software.
I also have to admit that they're a right pain to write correctly! MS
has not approached
MSI with an idea of making it simple!

Ho hum,

 Anyway, I'd better get back to other things...

 Have fun,

Keith
 
  
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Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each time WPKG runs...

2009-02-10 Thread mscdex
On 2/10/09, Rainer Meier  wrote:
>
> Most of them can be worked around by installing them on a reference
> system (or virtual machine) and just re-package them with 7-zip self
> extractor or similar. Then crate a small batch script whcih is silently
> extracting it, registering some DLL or adding registry keys. Removing is
> simple: Just delete the program directory.


Whenever I encounter installers like this or even when I would rather not
deal with installers in particular situations, I use UniExtract to extract
the application files from the installer (works pretty good for many
different types and versions of installers). This saves you from having to
install them just to obtain the necessary files. Also, the tool seems to
extract installer scripts and such too. You can look at those to see what
other changes it makes to the system (registry, etc) and then make those
appropriate changes manually when creating the batch/cmd files to do the
installation.
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Re: [wpkg-users] Special install command not working

2009-02-10 Thread Rainer Meier
Hi Mike,

Mike Burgener wrote:
> echo yes | 
> \\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\Utilities\Installer\2.1\1047\win_32-penti
> um\wh.exe install -p RVDS --source %SOFTWARE%\arm\rvds\  --target 
> "%programfiles%\ARM" --env SYSTEM
> regedit /s 
> \\server\pcsoft\install\pkgs\packages\registry\license_server_rvds.reg
> xcopy /E /Y "\\server\pcsoft\install\ARM_RVDS_301\MWPerlWin" 
> "%programfiles%\ARM\IDEs\CodeWarrior\CodeWarrior\5.7.0.1899\13\win_32-pe
> ntium\bin\Plugins"
> xcopy /E /Y "\\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\patches" 
> "%programfiles%\ARM\RVCT\Programs\3.0\586\win_32-pentium"
> 
> However, this seems not to work
> 
> Installer waits for "echo yes |" input
> 
> Kind regards and greets

First of all .bat extension is not used since long time. You should
switch to .cmd extension.

As I don't know the wh.exe tool and if it correctly works when echoing
"yes" to it I don't know if it is really hanging at this specific line.
However you can easily run your cmd script now manually (without WPKG).
Make sure it runs unattended before continuing to run it via WPKG. When
it works you might try again using WPKG.

br,
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Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each time WPKG runs...

2009-02-10 Thread Rainer Meier
Hi Chris,

Chris Wilcox wrote:
> That gets me to my question - the commercial system I use will never
> initiate a package installation if the local and network ini file says
> that the package is already installed.  With WPKG, it seems you MUST
> specifiy conditions to prevent this occuring?

This is partially true. If a package is "new" and has never been applied
to a host (ie the package does not exist within local
"%systemroot%\systrem32\wpkg.xml" then WPKG will first run the defined
checks to check if the package is already installed. If it is installed,
then WPKG will just add this information to wpkg.xml and no installation
command is performed at all.

But if the checks yield that the software is not installed yet (or there
are no checks defined at all) then WPKG will run the install commands
and then re-execute the checks to see if the package is now properly
installed.

One main difference to your "commercial system" I see is that WPKG is
able to re-run the checks on each run to verify that the package is
still properly installed (assuming that proper checks are defined).


So it is true that you must specify a decent set of checks to allow WPKG
to detect that a package is already installed in case the package is
already there when WPKG is first run. If these checks do not exist WPKG
will run the installation to make sure the package is installed.

Assuring proper state of the target machine(s) is one of the most
important attributes of a software deployment system. Such a system is
quite useless if it allows the state to report a working installation
without verifying it. This could leave a client in a broken state
without even giving any notification to the administrator.

So if WPKG reports that the package is properly installed then it IS
VERIFIED AND PROPERLY INSTALLED.


One more word about specifying no checks at all. This means WPKG will
install the package and then assume it's installed (without further
verification on next run). WPKG in this case only re-executes a command
if the package version is increased (upgrade) or the package is removed
from the profile (uninstall).


> Most of the software I
> use is educational stuff and is not listed in any of the WPKG silent
> installer pages - it can often be quite difficult to work out what
> condition syntax to use to prevent installs repeating at each
> workstation boot - MSI's handle this a little better as they don't
> normally repeat the whole install, but many exe based installations
> insist on re-installing even if the app is already on.

No problem here. I use some educational sites as well where specific
educational software is deployed. It's true that most of these
installers are totally useless and do not allow silent installations.
Most of them can be worked around by installing them on a reference
system (or virtual machine) and just re-package them with 7-zip self
extractor or similar. Then crate a small batch script whcih is silently
extracting it, registering some DLL or adding registry keys. Removing is
simple: Just delete the program directory.

The checks of course cannot refer to uninstall entries then but instead
a simple check on file existence (main program binary) or file version
are decent checks.

As written above adding a decent check for file existence (main program
binary) prevents WPKG to re-install the program even if WPKG is run for
the first time. WPKG will log that it starts installation and then runs
the checks to find that the application is already on the system. No
re-installation will be done.



> Am I missing something obvious here?  Should WPKG try to repeat installs
> at every boot if the package does not have any condition syntax?

Yes, you're missing something. As written above WPKG will install the
package only once if there are no checks at all. If there are correct
checks defined then even the first installation can be skipped if the
application is already on the system.


br,
Rainer
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Re: [wpkg-users] Special install command not working

2009-02-10 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Mike Burgener schrieb:

>> cmd /C echo yes | \\server\installer.bat
> 
> My package command now looks like that:
> 
>  />
>> Also, for simplicity, you could place all that in one script
>> (your installer.bat).
> Ok. I made this and my .bat now looks like that:
> 
> echo yes | 
> \\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\Utilities\Installer\2.1\1047\win_32-penti
> um\wh.exe install -p RVDS --source %SOFTWARE%\arm\rvds\  --target 
> "%programfiles%\ARM" --env SYSTEM
> regedit /s 
> \\server\pcsoft\install\pkgs\packages\registry\license_server_rvds.reg
> xcopy /E /Y "\\server\pcsoft\install\ARM_RVDS_301\MWPerlWin" 
> "%programfiles%\ARM\IDEs\CodeWarrior\CodeWarrior\5.7.0.1899\13\win_32-pe
> ntium\bin\Plugins"
> xcopy /E /Y "\\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\patches" 
> "%programfiles%\ARM\RVCT\Programs\3.0\586\win_32-pentium"
> 
> However, this seems not to work
> 
> Installer waits for "echo yes |" input

What command does wait for "yes"?
Just test your script in cmd.exe window.
If it works there, it should work with WPKG as well.

Also, are you sure it waits for "yes"? You use different server shares, 
can it be a permission problem there?

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Re: [wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each time WPKG runs...

2009-02-10 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Chris Wilcox schrieb:

> That gets me to my question - the commercial system I use will never 
> initiate a package installation if the local and network ini file says 
> that the package is already installed.  With WPKG, it seems you MUST 
> specifiy conditions to prevent this occuring?  Most of the software I 
> use is educational stuff and is not listed in any of the WPKG silent 
> installer pages - it can often be quite difficult to work out what 
> condition syntax to use to prevent installs repeating at each 
> workstation boot - MSI's handle this a little better as they don't 
> normally repeat the whole install, but many exe based installations 
> insist on re-installing even if the app is already on.
>  
> Am I missing something obvious here?  Should WPKG try to repeat installs 
> at every boot if the package does not have any condition syntax?

You missed this one:

http://wpkg.org/Execute_once_/_always

Does it solve your problem?


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Re: [wpkg-users] Quiet on the list?

2009-02-10 Thread Tomasz Chmielewski
Chris Wilcox schrieb:
> No e-mail from the list since the middle of last week?  Is it just me?

Looks like something needed a kick... Should be working now.


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[wpkg-users] [Bug 143] New: Feature: Other Protocols than samba

2009-02-10 Thread bugzilla-daemon
http://bugzilla.wpkg.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143

   Summary: Feature: Other Protocols than samba
   Product: WPKG
   Version: other
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: P3
 Component: wpkg.js
AssignedTo: man...@wpkg.org
ReportedBy: flor...@lagg.at
 QAContact: wpkg-users@lists.wpkg.org


Hi, is there a possibility to support other protocols than samba?

I currently think of using an HTTP/FTP Site where the packages are hosted. This
would scale much better for me as I think of offering automated installation
services to my customers.

Thanks for your comments.


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[wpkg-users] Quiet on the list?

2009-02-10 Thread Chris Wilcox

No e-mail from the list since the middle of last week?  Is it just me?
 
Chris
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Re: [wpkg-users] Special install command not working

2009-02-10 Thread Mike Burgener
Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> Mike Burgener schrieb:
>> Hi guys
>> 
>> Thanks for all the help already.
>> 
>> This special install command does not succeed.
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> 
> 
> As some "DOS" commands are not executables, you have to start
> them with cmd.exe interpreter:
> 
> cmd /C echo yes | \\server\installer.bat

My package command now looks like that:


> 
> Also, for simplicity, you could place all that in one script
> (your installer.bat).
Ok. I made this and my .bat now looks like that:

echo yes | 
\\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\Utilities\Installer\2.1\1047\win_32-penti
um\wh.exe install -p RVDS --source %SOFTWARE%\arm\rvds\  --target 
"%programfiles%\ARM" --env SYSTEM
regedit /s 
\\server\pcsoft\install\pkgs\packages\registry\license_server_rvds.reg
xcopy /E /Y "\\server\pcsoft\install\ARM_RVDS_301\MWPerlWin" 
"%programfiles%\ARM\IDEs\CodeWarrior\CodeWarrior\5.7.0.1899\13\win_32-pe
ntium\bin\Plugins"
xcopy /E /Y "\\server\wpkgsoftware\arm\rvds\patches" 
"%programfiles%\ARM\RVCT\Programs\3.0\586\win_32-pentium"

However, this seems not to work

Installer waits for "echo yes |" input

Kind regards and greets

Mike


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[wpkg-users] Stopping installations being called each time WPKG runs...

2009-02-10 Thread Chris Wilcox

Hi all,
 
I'm used to a commercial package allocation tool which behaves a little 
differently to WPKG in respect of how it decides if a package is installed or 
not.  The package install commands are, like WPKG, all held in network based 
ini files.  Each workstation has a network based and local based ini file.  The 
network based ini file gets updated if the management tools 
allocate/de-allocate/re-allocate a package.  The local ini file contains 
details relating to the last time the application installer tool checked for 
new package commands e.g.1) Allocate a package to PC1, ini file on network has 
new line added:
 
Flash10 = INSTALL_PENDING
 
2) On reboot, workstation checks it's own ini file against network one and 
spots new line
3) Workstation checks the package ini file for Flash10 and installs the package 
according to the install commands
4) Workstation updates it's own ini file with line:
 
Flash10 = INSTALLED
 
5) Workstation alters line in network ini file with the line:
 
Flash10 = Installed
 
If a package install fails then the line would instead read:
 
Flash10 = INSTALL_FAILED
 
The install ini file for each package can then be altered however you wish and 
you know each workstation will always use the latest version of this file.  It 
also makes it a little easier to track installed/failed packages centrally.
 
That gets me to my question - the commercial system I use will never initiate a 
package installation if the local and network ini file says that the package is 
already installed.  With WPKG, it seems you MUST specifiy conditions to prevent 
this occuring?  Most of the software I use is educational stuff and is not 
listed in any of the WPKG silent installer pages - it can often be quite 
difficult to work out what condition syntax to use to prevent installs 
repeating at each workstation boot - MSI's handle this a little better as they 
don't normally repeat the whole install, but many exe based installations 
insist on re-installing even if the app is already on.
 
Am I missing something obvious here?  Should WPKG try to repeat installs at 
every boot if the package does not have any condition syntax?
 
Chris
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[wpkg-users] PDF to Word Doc Converter v1.1

2009-02-10 Thread Adam Williams
Has anyone gotten PDF to Word Doc Converter v1.1 at www.hellopdf.com to 
work with WPKG?  I've tried every flag listed at 
http://www.appdeploy.com/articles/commandline.asp as well as googled for 
a silent install method for it and no luck, it still puts up a dialog 
box asking yes/no to if you want to install it.  Has anyone gotten it to 
silently install or can recommend another free pdf to word converter?
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