[WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help?
I've not had time to review the script in question. But since the topic has come up, I have a drop-down menu in development that might be useful, for comparitive purposes if nothing else. I know there are still bugs with the stylesheet to track down in various browsers. http://inspire.server101.com/js/mb/mb.html Expanding menu is a bit more robust: http://inspire.server101.com/js/xc/ as are the tabbed panels ... http://inspire.server101.com/js/tp/ Enjoy :) ps: if anyone spots bugs let me know. cheers Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help? (Out of Office)
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RE: [WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help?
Ben, Thanks for the heads up. As I'm under time constraints, I've had to resort to using an HTML 4.01 doctype, which isn't the ultimate solution, but puts Mozilla etc into quirks mode which works. I see now that using indented lists is certainly a good solution for cross browser drop downs - I need to look at that further. Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org Southbank, Melbourne Australia Mobile: 0403 332 140 ICQ: 11814164 -Original Message- From: Ben Boyle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 11:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help? I've not had time to review the script in question. But since the topic has come up, I have a drop-down menu in development that might be useful, for comparitive purposes if nothing else. I know there are still bugs with the stylesheet to track down in various browsers. http://inspire.server101.com/js/Benmb/mb.html Expanding menu is a bit more robust: http://inspire.server101.com/js/xc/ as are the tabbed panels ... http://inspire.server101.com/js/tp/ Enjoy :) ps: if anyone spots bugs let me know. cheers Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]WSG "Digest mode"
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Re: [WSG]WSG "Digest mode" [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Russ, The problem that I find with digest mode on any mailing list is that by the time you get the emails the dicussion is over. I don't think it makes the list as interactive but there definitely is a use for it for the wallflowers. Cheers, Mark Lynch Development Manager - Business Innovation Online Ernst & Young - Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4038 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61 421 050 695 russ weakley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .com.au>cc: Subject: [WSG]WSG "Digest mode" [Virus checkedAU] 01/10/2003 01:12 AM Please respond to wsg Did you know that instead of getting lots of individual WSG emails, you can change your settings to "Digest mode"? This means you will get one email every day from the WSG mail list, with all the day's WSG messages included within the one email. To set your membership to "digest mode" simply email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the body of the email (subject irrelevant) put the following words: Set mode digest wsg Russ List-mum : ) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst & Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst & Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst & Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst & Young. Except as required at law, Ernst & Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help?
Hi David Why would using a 4.01 doctype put Mozilla into quirks mode? As long as the doctype is correct Moz should go into standards mode. http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/ Cheers James Ellis www.webqs.com --- WSG - http://webstandardsgroup.org | Web Standards Group syd::php - http://sydney.ug.php.net | Sydney PHP Developers --- #300 - http://www.sitepoint.com/articlelist/300 --- -- Original Message --- From: David McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 00:03:47 +1000 Subject: RE: [WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help? > Ben, > > Thanks for the heads up. As I'm under time constraints, I've had to resort > to using an HTML 4.01 doctype, which isn't the ultimate solution, but puts > Mozilla etc into quirks mode which works. > > I see now that using indented lists is certainly a good solution for cross > browser drop downs - I need to look at that further. > > Regards, > > David McDonald > Web Designer > > http://www.davidmcdonald.org > > Southbank, Melbourne > Australia > > Mobile: 0403 332 140 > ICQ: 11814164 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]moreo-webo-maxo-amatico
Have no idea what a fird is but... firda is the name of the designer. http://www.wannabegirl.org/firdamatic/ auto tableless layout-o-widgety-matic thingy. Cheers James Ellis www.webqs.com --- WSG - http://webstandardsgroup.org | Web Standards Group syd::php - http://sydney.ug.php.net | Sydney PHP Developers --- #300 - http://www.sitepoint.com/articlelist/300 --- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Can any JavaScript/DOM gurus help?
Haven't really been following this discussion but you may want to check out the CUE templates. They seem to have a pretty nice drop down nav thats public domain. The link is under Web Standards in the resources section of the WSG site. Once you get to the CUE site - look for templates. Cheers Mark __ Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi all, I thought this might be interesting, not as much for the review itself, but rather the comments. There was a fair bit of discussion with some pretty good comments in there. And I'm sure we could sneak some posts in there with links to webstandardsgroup.org ;-) Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst & Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst & Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst & Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst & Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst & Young. Except as required at law, Ernst & Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
Hi Vik, What, no li'l link?! We have to get there ourselves :) http://books.slashdot.org/books/03/09/30/1633204.shtml -Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this might be interesting, not as much for the review itself, but * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
And the URL, for the non-geeks, is: http://books.slashdot.org/books/03/09/30/1633204.shtml?tid=126&tid=156&tid=1 88&tid=192&tid=95 :) -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Duh, I'm getting forgetful in my old age... and when people rudely interrupt me with phonecalls while I'm trying to write an email. Sorry about that and thanks to Ben for saving the day ;-P Hi Vik, What, no li'l link?! We have to get there ourselves :) http://books.slashdot.org/books/03/09/30/1633204.shtml -Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I thought this might be interesting, not as much for the review itself, but > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst & Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst & Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst & Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst & Young. Except as required at law, Ernst & Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Zeldman's Designing With Web Standards reviewed on Slashdot [Virus checkedAU]
> And the URL, for the non-geeks, is: Non-geeks on a web standards list? You need to get out more mate - see how non geeks live :) Cheers Mark __ Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]Font support chart?
Does anyone know of a font support chart that lists which fonts are standard on which platforms? Maybe Russ could quickly knock up a Font-o-matic? Cheers Mark __ Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Font support chart?
You can try the Code Style Font Sampler: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/index.shtml 'Standard' is a funny term for fonts, too, as things like Office & IE install heaps of additional fonts. -- Lindsay Evans. Developer, Red Square Productions. [p] 8596.4000 [f] 8596.4001 [w] www.redsquare.com.au > -Original Message- > From: Mark Stanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 11:36 AM > To: Sydney Web Standards Group > Subject: [WSG]Font support chart? > > > Does anyone know of a font support chart that lists which fonts > are standard > on which platforms? Maybe Russ could quickly knock up a Font-o-matic? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]A few articles to read...
1. SimpleBits has a nice article about accessible image-tab rollovers - a blow-by-blow account: http://www.simplebits.com/archives/2003/09/30/accessible_imagetab_rollovers. html 2. A detailed article on Abbreviations, Acronyms, Initialisms - what they are, the differences, using CSS with them and more: http://larsholst.info/blog/index.php?m=200309#post-14 Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG]New site - request for comments [Virus checkedAU]
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi all, This is a website I've put together last Sunday (no, I don't have a life). I'm asking for comments, opinions, suggestions for improvement, flames etc regarding the site design. (I know of the problem where the floats wreck the rest of the page in IE for Mac but I'd welcome any suggestions for fixing it.) http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/ Thanks in advance Vik -- Viktor Radnai Web Developer Business Innovation Online Ernst & Young Australia http://www.eyware.com/ http://www.eyonline.com/ Direct: +612 9248 4361 Fax: +612 9248 4073 Mobile: +61408 662 546 NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and the copyright of Ernst & Young or a third party. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst & Young on 1800 655 717 immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Ernst & Young. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ernst & Young. Except as required at law, Ernst & Young does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG]Font support chart?
Thanks Lindsay I compiled this list into a bit of a chart & averaged the support across browsers. No fancy weightings have been added just win + mac + *nix / 3. Also no account was given to font families, just unique font names. The fonts that came out with more than 70% support are: Arial 90.30% Courier New 89.20% Times New Roman 80.13% Arial Black 79.57% Verdana 79.45% Comic Sans MS 77.81% Trebuchet MS74.88% Impact 73.90% Georgia 71.58% After this it drops off pretty quickly to 30% and below. The full list is attached. Cheers Mark __ Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com Title: Font Support Collated from www.codestyle.org's Combined font survey results (full). Font NameWinMac*NixAverage Arial91.13%93.60%86.17%90.30% Courier New90.63%88.67%88.30%89.20% Times New Roman77.57%86.21%76.60%80.13% Arial Black92.72%92.81%53.19%79.57% Verdana91.33%90.64%56.38%79.45% Comic Sans MS91.72%90.64%51.06%77.81% Trebuchet MS87.04%88.67%48.94%74.88% Impact91.63%83.25%46.81%73.90% Georgia77.97%85.71%51.06%71.58% Courier0.00%94.09%91.82%61.97% Helvetica0.00%95.57%85.45%60.34% Times0.00%84.73%75.45%53.39% Arial Narrow81.85%73.89%0.00%51.91% Tahoma90.13%60.87%0.00%50.33% Andale Mono32.60%78.82%38.30%49.91% Palatino0.00%81.77%63.83%48.53% New Century Schoolbook0.00%25.49%82.73%36.07% Arial Rounded MT Bold38.29%60.59%0.00%32.96% Haettenschweiler71.39%27.45%0.00%32.95% Monaco0.00%95.07%0.00%31.69% Brush Script MT31.61%61.58%0.00%31.06% Geneva0.00%91.63%0.00%30.54% Lucida Console90.23%0.00%0.00%30.08% Fixed0.00%0.00%88.18%29.39% Charcoal0.00%86.21%0.00%28.74% Chicago0.00%86.21%0.00%28.74% Bookman0.00%27.45%58.51%28.65% Lucida0.00%0.00%84.55%28.18% New York0.00%83.74%0.00%27.91% Terminal0.00%0.00%82.73%27.58% Utopia0.00%0.00%80.00%26.67% Apple Chancery0.00%79.31%0.00%26.44% Skia0.00%78.82%0.00%26.27% Lucida Sans Unicode78.56%0.00%0.00%26.19% Bookman Old Style78.07%0.00%0.00%26.02% Capitals0.00%77.83%0.00%25.94% Techno0.00%77.34%0.00%25.78% Textile0.00%76.35%0.00%25.45% Gadget0.00%75.86%0.00%25.29% Sand0.00%75.86%0.00%25.29% Century Gothic75.57%0.00%0.00%25.19% Hoefler Text0.00%75.37%0.00%25.12% Book Antiqua74.68%0.00%0.00%24.89% Garamond69.59%0.00%0.00%23.20% Charter0.00%0.00%69.09%23.03% Century Schoolbook L0.00%0.00%68.18%22.73% Zapf Chancery0.00%0.00%67.35%22.45% Nimbus Mono L0.00%0.00%63.64%21.21% Optima0.00%62.56%0.00%20.85% ClearlyU0.00%0.00%62.22%20.74% Futura0.00%61.08%0.00%20.36% Marlett60.98%0.00%0.00%20.33% Wide Latin28.71%30.54%0.00%19.75% Avantgarde0.00%0.00%58.51%19.50% Copperplate0.00%57.64%0.00%19.21% Lucida Grande0.00%57.14%0.00%19.05% Nimbus Roman No9 L0.00%0.00%56.36%18.79% MS Outlook39.71%6.00%0.00%15.24% Avant Garde0.00%43.84%0.00%14.61% Copperplate Gothic Bold43.67%0.00%0.00%14.56% Lucida Handwriting41.18%0.00%0.00%13.73% Century Schoolbook40.08%0.00%0.00%13.36% OCR A Extended39.08%0.00%0.00%13.03% Arial Unicode MS37.59%0.00%0.00%12.53% Calisto MT36.69%0.00%0.00%12.23% VT 1000.00%33.99%0.00%11.33% URW Bookman L0.00%0.00%33.64%11.21% URW Gothic L0.00%0.00%33.64%11.21% Helvetica Narrow0.00%13.73%19.15%10.96% URW Chancery L0.00%0.00%32.73%10.91% URW Palladio L0.00%0.00%30.91%10.30% Britannic Bold29.81%0.00%0.00%9.94% Algerian29.11%0.00%0.00%9.70% Clean0.00%0.00%29.09%9.70% Abadi MT Condensed Light28.22%0.00%0.00%9.41% Playbill28.22%0.00%0.00%9.41% Footlight MT Light27.32%0.00%0.00%9.11% Matura MT Script Capitals27.12%0.00%0.00%9.04% Colonna MT26.72%0.00%0.00%8.91% American Typewriter0.00%25.49%0.00%8.50% Papyrus0.00%25.49%0.00%8.50% News Gothic MT24.23%0.00%0.00%8.08% Didot0.00%21.57%0.00%7.19% Helvetica Neue0.00%21.57%0.00%7.19% Herculanum0.00%21.57%0.00%7.19% Kino MT20.14%0.00%0.00%6.71% URW Grotesk T0.00%0.00%20.00%6.67% Big Caslon0.00%19.61%0.00%6.54% Marker Felt0.00%19.61%0.00%6.54% Zapfino0.00%19.61%0.00%6.54% Lucidabright0.00%0.00%18.18%6.06% Braggadocio18.05%0.00%0.00%6.02% URW Antiqua T0.00%0.00%16.92%5.64% Lucidatypewriter0.00%0.00%16.36%5.45% Desdemona15.85%0.00%0.00%5.28% Baskerville0.00%15.69%0.00%5.23% Charter BT0.00%0.00%15.45%5.15% Monotype.com14.77%0.00%0.00%4.92% Nimbus Roman Sans L0.00%0.00%13.64%4.55% Courier Regular0.00%11.76%0.00%3.92% Osaka0.00%9.80%0.00%3.27% Caslon0.00%0.00%6.67%2.22% Minion Web5.03%0.00%0.00%1.68% Heisei Kaku Gothic0.00%1.96%0.00%0.65% Heisei Mincho0.00%1.96%0.00%0.65% Gill Sans0.00%0.00%0.00%0.00%
Re: [WSG]Font support chart?
Mark, These is handy figures!
Regardless of the figures, font family cascading is still important. Always
specify the font you want first, then (possibly) an option, and finally a
generic font family (serif, sans-serif, monospace, cursive, fantasy).
For example:
{ font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; }
{ font-family: times, "times new roman", serif; }
This means that if a user doesn¹t have the desired font, they will either
get a secondary font or at least a similar generic font.
Also note that font families with multiple words must be enclosed within
quotes.
Sorry for the lecture, everyone : (
Russ
> Thanks Lindsay
>
> I compiled this list into a bit of a chart & averaged the support across
> browsers. No fancy weightings have been added just win + mac + *nix / 3.
> Also no account was given to font families, just unique font names.
>
> The fonts that came out with more than 70% support are:
>
> Arial 90.30%
> Courier New 89.20%
> Times New Roman 80.13%
> Arial Black 79.57%
> Verdana 79.45%
> Comic Sans MS 77.81%
> Trebuchet MS 74.88%
> Impact 73.90%
> Georgia 71.58%
>
> After this it drops off pretty quickly to 30% and below. The full list is
> attached.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
>
> __
> Mark Stanton
> Technical Director
> Gruden Pty Ltd
> Tel: 9956 6388
> Mob: 0410 458 201
> Fax: 9956 8433
> http://www.gruden.com
>
Thanks
Russ
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