RE: [WSG] More browser share stats..

[Mark Stanton]

Hey Chris

I don't think you could beat Google for sample size -
http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist_nov03.html. Pretty similar figures
though.


Cheers

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Re: [WSG] More browser share stats..

[Stumpy]

Plus the fact that there is no way of knowing if a
fair cross-section of users has visited the site that
is compiling the stats. I would think generally, the
people hitting the stats sites are either developers
or advertisers, which would skew the figures to
bleeding edge browsers.


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[WSG] More browser share stats..

[Chris Blown]

http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox26.html

I always doubt the accuracy of these stats, since various browsers
default their user_agent to IE6.  

Anyway, no surprises, IE still holds the crown...

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Re: [WSG] a horizontal drops the numbers..?

[Michael Zeltner]

Peter Ottery wrote:
gurus,
people :P

...drops the numbers from the start of each list item as soon as you 
make the list run horizontally?
you're transforming a list item into an inline element, so there is no 
need for keeping the numbers on contextual text, right?

I want to keep the numbers at the start of each item (its for a 
horizontal 'step by step' type indicator) so if anyone has any insights 
on how to achieve that, that would be tops,
depends and what you need, if it's just one line, no problem but if it's 
in context, it will get ugly/tricky.

for the one line solution: use floats and 1em height for ol.

because generated content doesn't work in ie i think the :before-content 
solution for the "in context" list, is useless.

but you can give all list items ids and backgrounds with the correct 
number ;) (bad idea)

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[WSG] a horizontal drops the numbers..?

[Peter Ottery]

gurus,
can anyone tell me 
why this code...
-
 

li {display: inline}

 
some 
texta little more textanother 
biteven a bit 
more
 
-
 
...drops the numbers 
from the start of each list item as soon as you make the list run 
horizontally?
I want to keep the 
numbers at the start of each item (its for a horizontal 'step by step' type 
indicator) so if anyone has any insights on how to achieve that, that would be 
tops,
 
cheers,
pete

[WSG] close to pixel perfect ...

[Universal Head]

Title: close to pixel perfect ...


Would someone mind checking this out for me:

http://universalhead.com/ataglance/work_test.html

CSS at
http://universalhead.com/ataglance/c/aag.css

No matter what I do, the left column of info (div
id="workmaincolumn") persists in being 3px from the right
column instead of 5px in Safari and Firebird.

It works on just about everything else. I've tried swapping the
5px margin to each of the columns with no luck.

Very weird and I'm stumped. I've got everything pixel perfect on
the major browsers except for this.
Thanks very much,
Peter
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Re: [WSG] Rave or Valid point

[James Ellis]

This is why I never really got into widget components in Flash - they 
tend to default to a Windows 'classic' skin which would be useless for 
Mac users and those who skin their browsers.
Providing a skin for the component based on a user agent string would 
also be useless given it can be faked and given users can skin 
Mozilla/Opera to look like any browser.

Good idea for swf applications, though.

Cheers
James
It's also for this very same reason that I dislike what Mozilla does 
with form widgets, which (at least on Mac OS 9 & OS X) differ 
dramatically from the rest of the OS.

 

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Re: [WSG] CSS Filter (Alpha Opacity) on MZ/NS

[James Ellis]

Hi

We wouldn't need to worry about filters in CSS if IE supported
transparent PNG images.

Cheers
James

Andrew Cheong wrote:

  
  
  
  Why does the CSS filter for alpha
opacity not work in Mozilla (1.4, 1.5, 1.6)?  Look at http://www.xdemi.com/music/main.php?s=fun&p=links on
I.E. - notice the background of the "front window" is transparent.  In
Mozilla and Netscape, it does not do this...
   
  I am an amateur designer  - guess I
never introduced myself here, but I'm glad to be here.  I've only
recently turned 16 years old, but I'm very interested in web design and
even more in learning.  I am very meticulous and support web standards
all the way (although I have given up trying to conform with WAI
standards haha)
   
  Anyway, I hope someone will be able
to inform me of what stupid mistake I am making that does not allow
this filter to work.



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Re: [WSG] A few links for the week...

[Andrew Cheong]

Actually, your first link about CSS Filters... might help me on the problem
that I addressed before about CSS Filters not being supported by Mozilla or
Netscape... thank you in advance!

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> CSS Hacks and Filters
> http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/index.html
>
> A pencil image made out of CSS
> http://www.designdetector.com/tips/csspencils.php
>
> Common XHTML Validation Errors
> http://www.blackwidows.org.uk/resources/tutorials/xhtml/common-errors.html
>
> Validation and error handling - from a browser developers perspective:
> "The whole reason nearly all Web pages on the Internet are malformed is
> because browsers let Web page authors get away with it"
> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2004_01.html#004702
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Re: [WSG] CSS Filter (Alpha Opacity) on MZ/NS [Virus checkedAU]

[Andrew Cheong]

Ohh... no wonder it wasn't on W3Schools or W3.org.  Thankyou

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> The alpha filter is part of a whole horrible proprietary extension to CSS
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>
> CSS3 has (or will have) support for the opacity attribute which does the
> same thing - and is currently implemented in mozilla (in the correct way
> for prorietary extentions) i.e. -moz-opacity: 50%;
>
> When CSS3 becomes a standard you will then mozilla will change this
> attribute to opacity and you'll be able to search your code for
> -moz-opacity and all will be hunky dory.  However, the IE method will
> effectively exlude the use of an filter attribute in the CSS standards as
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RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Mkear]

Nope, I might be in the running - I'll be 54 in March.   I'm still proving
you can teach an old dog new tricks.  But I dont know what will happen when
I get old.

Cheers
Mike Kear
AFP Webworks
Up to new tricks at
http://afpwebworks.com/beach/


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Subject: RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old
Date: 19/01/04 14:06

I'm definitely not the oldest here at 41!

PeterF


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From: Brendan Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old


Awww heck - I don't mind. Well for as long as Pete F stays on the list
anyhow ;)

31 - 32 in June.

So, stop your whinin' 

Brendan

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From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 19/01/04 4:12 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old




There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the
list, so here goes some OT goodness:

A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16,
both must be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted,
especially Plone, i love what they do! Made me feel a bit long in the
tooth at 27, so I started wondering how old you gurus are? Would be good to
get an idea of where we sit demographically...

p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email me
direct if you really want to be part of my little survey...

Regards,

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Re: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Universal Head]

Frickin' 'eck mate, panic not - I just turned 38.

However my girlfriend is younger, I'm still in a working originals 
band, I get told I look like I'm early 30s, and I just taught myself 
CSS. So there. ;)

The-not-defensive-at-all,
Peter

There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting 
to the list, so here goes some OT goodness:

A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and 
one 16, both must be pretty competent web designers from the links 
they've posted, especially Plone, i love what they do!   Made me 
feel a bit long in the tooth at 27, so I started wondering how old 
you gurus are?  Would be good to get an idea of where we sit 
demographically...

p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to 
email me direct if you really want to be part of my little survey...
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[WSG] A few links for the week...

[russ weakley]

CSS Hacks and Filters
http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/index.html

A pencil image made out of CSS
http://www.designdetector.com/tips/csspencils.php

Common XHTML Validation Errors
http://www.blackwidows.org.uk/resources/tutorials/xhtml/common-errors.html

Validation and error handling - from a browser developers perspective:
"The whole reason nearly all Web pages on the Internet are malformed is
because browsers let Web page authors get away with it"
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2004_01.html#004702

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Re: [WSG] Is it ok? Does it break?

[Frank]

Paul,

Sorry, I forgot to say I was using IE 6.0 on WinXP.  The header also
displays at the top of the window for me (like Michael mentioned).


Thanks,

Frank


>
> Hey Paul,
>
> Looks really good... The only problem I ran into (non-CSS related) is the
> Zoom function causes an error for me (Javascript: Object Expected, Line
> 101).  Not sure if you're aware of this, but I thought I'd bring it up
> just in case.
>
> I really like the navigation on the right-side of the page.  Very clean,
> and the pseudo-shading ads a nice touch!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank Manno
> www.developershed.com
>
>> HI All,
>>
>> First post I think,
>>
>> Could some people check this out and let me know if it breaks.
>> It has been tested it in Opera, Moz and IE 6
>> And we think we have all the bugs out of it.
>>
>> Page and CSS validate.
>>
>> http://www.jewelled.com.au/users/shaun/item_view.php
>>
>>
>> Thankyou.
>>
>> Paul.
>>
>>
>> P.S
>> Great list, and thanks to all the people who post the links to articles.
>> I didn't know CSS until a few weeks ago. And the last site I did was
>> about
>> 4-5 years ago all in tables :-)
>>
>> Paul.
>> Jeweller / Part time web dev guy.
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Re: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Michael Zeltner]

> A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one
> 16, both must be pretty competent web designers from the links 
they've > posted, especially Plone, i love what they do!

thanks :)

> Made me feel a bit long in the tooth at 27, so I started wondering how
> old you gurus are? Would be good to get an idea of where we sit
> demographically...
honestly, "css guru" is not a word combination i like. basically css is 
very easy. so everyone can become a "guru" quite fast. no matter how old 
you are.

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RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[David McDonald]

Guys,

Well, you know what? It's my birthday today... Jan 20th... and I am the ripe
old age of 33... hic... !!!


Regards,

David McDonald
Web Designer

http://www.davidmcdonald.org

Southbank, Melbourne
Australia

Mobile: 0403 332 140
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Peter wrote:

>I'm definitely not the oldest here at 41!

You know that because you know that I officially became "old" on my last
birthday.  And then they changed the rules a few months later and now I am
middle-aged again! :-)


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Re: [WSG] Is it ok? Does it break?

[Michael Donnermeyer]

Paul,

Looks fine in IE5.2, Moz 1.6, and Firebird 0.7 on the Mac.

Is the header supposed to be flush with the top of the window?  It is here in all 3 and just 'feels' weird.

There's some nasty shifts when you use the text zoom in it, and things go haywire with both of the Moz variants.

MD


On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 02:05 AM, Paul wrote:

HI All,

 

First post I think, 

 

Could some people check this out and let me know if it breaks. 

It has been tested it in Opera, Moz and IE 6 

And we think we have all the bugs out of it. 

 

Page and CSS validate. 

 

http://www.jewelled.com.au/users/shaun/item_view.php

 

 

Thankyou.

 

Paul.

 

 

P.S 

Great list, and thanks to all the people who post the links to articles. 

I didn’t know CSS until a few weeks ago. And the last site I did was about 4-5 years ago all in tablesJ

 

Paul.

Jeweller / Part time web dev guy. 

 

 

 

Re: [WSG] Is it ok? Does it break?

[shakes]

Hey Paul,

Looks really good... The only problem I ran into (non-CSS related) is the
Zoom function causes an error for me (Javascript: Object Expected, Line
101).  Not sure if you're aware of this, but I thought I'd bring it up
just in case.

I really like the navigation on the right-side of the page.  Very clean,
and the pseudo-shading ads a nice touch!


Regards,

Frank Manno
www.developershed.com

> HI All,
>
> First post I think,
>
> Could some people check this out and let me know if it breaks.
> It has been tested it in Opera, Moz and IE 6
> And we think we have all the bugs out of it.
>
> Page and CSS validate.
>
> http://www.jewelled.com.au/users/shaun/item_view.php
>
>
> Thankyou.
>
> Paul.
>
>
> P.S
> Great list, and thanks to all the people who post the links to articles.
> I didn't know CSS until a few weeks ago. And the last site I did was about
> 4-5 years ago all in tables :-)
>
> Paul.
> Jeweller / Part time web dev guy.
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RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Kym Kovan]

Peter wrote:

>I'm definitely not the oldest here at 41!

You know that because you know that I officially became "old" on my last birthday.  
And then they changed the rules a few months later and now I am middle-aged again! :-)


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RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Peter Firminger]

I'm definitely not the oldest here at 41!
 
PeterF


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From: Brendan Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 6:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old


Awww heck - I don't mind. Well for as long as Pete F stays on the list
anyhow ;)
 
31 - 32 in June.
 
So, stop your whinin'  
 
Brendan

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From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 19/01/04 4:12 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old




There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the
list, so here goes some OT goodness:

A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16,
both must be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted,
especially Plone, i love what they do!   Made me feel a bit long in the
tooth at 27, so I started wondering how old you gurus are?  Would be good to
get an idea of where we sit demographically...

p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email me
direct if you really want to be part of my little survey...

Regards,

Miles.

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Re: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[russ weakley]

As Miles said, this is slightly off-topic, even though interesting!

How about email Miles off-list with responses, and then Miles can do a recap
for all of us on-list (or via his blog?) in a few days time

Might be worth letting Miles know if you are happy for your age to be
public!

Russ



> 
> There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the
> list, so here goes some OT goodness:
> 
> A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16,
> both must be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted,
> especially Plone, i love what they do!   Made me feel a bit long in the tooth
> at 27, so I started wondering how old you gurus are?  Would be good to get an
> idea of where we sit demographically...
> 
> p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email me
> direct if you really want to be part of my little survey...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Miles.

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RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Chris Stratford]

I just turned 18 in November...
:)

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Subject: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old


There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to
the list, so here goes some OT goodness:

A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one
16, both must be pretty competent web designers from the links they've
posted, especially Plone, i love what they do!   Made me feel a bit long
in the tooth at 27, so I started wondering how old you gurus are?  Would
be good to get an idea of where we sit demographically...

p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email
me direct if you really want to be part of my little survey...

Regards,

Miles.

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[WSG] Is it ok? Does it break?

[Paul]

HI All,

 

First post I think, 

 

Could some people check this out and let me know if
it breaks. 

It has been tested it in Opera, Moz
and IE 6 

And we think we have all the bugs out of it. 

 

Page and CSS validate. 

 

http://www.jewelled.com.au/users/shaun/item_view.php

 

 

Thankyou.

 

Paul.

 

 

P.S 

Great list, and thanks to all the people who post the
links to articles. 

I didn’t know CSS until a few weeks ago. And
the last site I did was about 4-5 years ago all in tables J

 

Paul.

Jeweller / Part time web dev guy. 

 

 

 

RE: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old

[Brendan Smith]

Awww heck - I don't mind. Well for as long as Pete F stays on the list anyhow ;)
 
31 - 32 in June.
 
So, stop your whinin'  
 
Brendan



From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 19/01/04 4:12 PM
To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
Subject: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old




There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the list, so 
here goes some OT goodness:

A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16, both must 
be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted, especially Plone, i 
love what they do!   Made me feel a bit long in the tooth at 27, so I started 
wondering how old you gurus are?  Would be good to get an idea of where we sit 
demographically...

p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email me direct if 
you really want to be part of my little survey...

Regards,

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