Re: [WSG] A tip on using multiple CSS classes
On Sat, 01 May 2004 13:09:22 +1000, russ - maxdesign wrote: It is spelled 'specificity' (I can spell it but cannot say it to save my life). I cant pronounce it, therefore I cant spell it :) (Ok, today I can pronounce t, but it was late last night...g) In your example, they both have the same specificity so it comes down to the order in which they were specified in your css file. In your example '.bar' would be used as it is specified later in the css file. If we get nit-picky there is no dot in front of 'foo' so it will not be used at all :) Ok, last time I researched it, I decided that it was undetermined by the spec how it should be handled, therefore different browsers could handle it different ways. But I'm happy to bow to your greater knowledge :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] evangelism : Icon article (Sydney Morning Herald) promoting the modern browser
Hi all Great to see an article in this weekend's Icon promoting the modern browser, with a few salient words about our popular friend. Link http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/30/1083224574998.html This thread is not a discussion on browser merits but is about promoting the tools that support the code we write. Icon is definitely mainstream media for the Mums and Dads out there - pushing the good stuff to the people that matter. Cheers James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] positioning 101
Barbara Dozetos wrote: wow, thanks! This teaches me so much! The best resource I've found on how css positioning works is http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/ I must have read it through at least 20 times... eventually it starts to stick! -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Request: Is it semantically correct?
Hello list, I have been dealing with some ways of having box borders other than the regular ones... Can you please tell me if this attempt is semantically correct and if it has too much nested divs? Example: http://cb2web.com/tests/testboxmodel.htm CSS: http://cb2web.com/tests/coolboxes.css Thank you in advance for your help and eventual sugestions... Carlos * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Request: Is it semantically correct?
Cb2 Web Design wrote: Hello list, I have been dealing with some ways of having box borders other than the regular ones... Can you please tell me if this attempt is semantically correct and if it has too much nested divs? Example: http://cb2web.com/tests/testboxmodel.htm CSS: http://cb2web.com/tests/coolboxes.css Thank you in advance for your help and eventual sugestions... Carlos * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * Well, labling your classes with 'coolbox' isn't semantic, it's presentational. Other than that, I don't see any problem with using that nested div structure, as long as all elements relate to a distinctive bit of content. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] XML Includes?
Mark Stanton wrote:
Could you convert:
window
titlebarmycontent/titlebar
contentmycontent/content /window
into: div class="window"
div class="titlebar"mycontent/div div
class="content"mycontent/div /div
using XSL?
Mark (and Scott),
not having noticed the original post I'm a bit out of the loop
on this discussion, but the Xsl below does the transformation with the fewest of
lines of code possible.
?xml version="1.0"?
xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"
xsl:output omit-xml-declaration="yes"
encoding="utf-8"/
xsl:template match="window | titlebar |
content" div
class="{name()}"
xsl:apply-templates/
/div
/xsl:template
/xsl:stylesheet
woric
PS: If you need a Xsl transformation tool and are using a
ASP.NET box try XsltFilter (http://xsltfilter.tigris.org). If you are using
Linux there are lots of Xslt tools for apache and
java.
Re: [WSG] A tip on using multiple CSS classes
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 23:03:52 +0800, SomeNewKid wrote:
http://weblogs.asp.net/asmith/archive/2004/02/02/66360.aspx
It has to be used carefully, however.
If we had
foo {
border: 1px solid black;
}
bar {
border: 2px dashed red;
}
class=foo bar
then it is undefined which has greter specifity (sp?)
warmly,
Lea
--
Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/
Brisbane, Australia
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Re: [WSG] positioning 101
Barbara Dozetos wrote: wow, thanks! This teaches me so much! The best resource I've found on how css positioning works is http://www.brainjar.com/css/positioning/ I must have read it through at least 20 times... eventually it starts to stick! -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Request: Is it semantically correct?
'Semantically correct' is one of those tricky questions that gets us all into hot water. On one hand you have code purists who believe that there should be the absolute minimum of extra divs and classes [1]. Anything extra is clogging up the code. There are even purists who believe that any form of background image is wrong. On the other you have people trying to achieve practical solutions for design problems. So, everyone you ask will have a different opinion. The bottom line is to use as few additional divs and classes as possible. And, more importantly, that all presentation (colour, images etc) should be removed from the code - which your example does correctly. Having said that, a few divs can be removed from your example without changing the result, even though it still has the slight bug in the footer that your example does (in mac moz and safari): http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/css/coolbox/ Russ [1] On Tuesday 'Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren interviews goes live, where he talks about how div's have semantic meaning. I have been dealing with some ways of having box borders other than the regular ones... Can you please tell me if this attempt is semantically correct and if it has too much nested divs? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Melbourne Meeting - May
Yes it is Cameron. Hope you can come mate. dez Cameron Adams wrote: Is the Melbourne meeting really May 3? (like it says on the web site) If so, it snuck up quick! -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Melbourne Meeting - May
On 02/05/2004, at 7:42 AM, afdesign wrote: Yes it is Cameron. Hope you can come mate. dez Cameron Adams wrote: Is the Melbourne meeting really May 3? (like it says on the web site) If so, it snuck up quick! -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com same bat time same bat station? stu http://stunik.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Request: Is it semantically correct?
Russ, Noa, thank you.
Russ, a very, very clever approach... that a {display: block} really made
the difference!
Thank you again and I look forward for the interview with Anne van Kesteren.
Carlos
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Request: Is it semantically correct?
'Semantically correct' is one of those tricky questions that gets us all
into hot water.
On one hand you have code purists who believe that there should be the
absolute minimum of extra divs and classes [1]. Anything extra is clogging
up the code. There are even purists who believe that any form of background
image is wrong. On the other you have people trying to achieve practical
solutions for design problems. So, everyone you ask will have a different
opinion.
The bottom line is to use as few additional divs and classes as possible.
And, more importantly, that all presentation (colour, images etc) should be
removed from the code - which your example does correctly.
Having said that, a few divs can be removed from your example without
changing the result, even though it still has the slight bug in the footer
that your example does (in mac moz and safari):
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/jobs/css/coolbox/
Russ
[1] On Tuesday 'Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren interviews goes live,
where he talks about how div's have semantic meaning.
I have been dealing with some ways of having box borders other than the
regular ones... Can you please tell me if this attempt is semantically
correct and if it has too much nested divs?
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Re: [WSG] Melbourne Meeting - May
Yes. The meeting is at the same time and place. Just so everyone is clear. Here are the details: Monday 03 May, 2004 6:30pm - Informal start/Networking 7:00pm - Official start 7pm-8pm - David MacDonald will discuss how he and his team made BHP Billiton Standards compliant. Where do we meet? Student Union Meeting Room Building 12 Level 4 (Opposite The Hub) RMIT, Swanston Street Melbourne (WhereIS Map) (Bowen St is the line running through the R in Melbourne on the map, the venue is near the corner of Bowen and Franklin Streets just above this.) Enter via the main street that runs through the campus - Bowen St. The building is located near the Franklin St end of Bowen St. You will enter via the Lesley Clucas Lounge entrance where there will be some one to let you in. Just follow the signs. If you have trouble finding the venue call Andrew on 0409 355 296. cheers dez s2art wrote: On 02/05/2004, at 7:42 AM, afdesign wrote: Yes it is Cameron. Hope you can come mate. dez Cameron Adams wrote: Is the Melbourne meeting really May 3? (like it says on the web site) If so, it snuck up quick! -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com same bat time same bat station? stu http://stunik.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Some links for light reading...
A Roadmap to Standards http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/04/30/a_roadmap_to/#000571 Does Microsoft Care About Web Standards? http://www.alttags.org/archives/2004/04/29/33/ What Is Web Accessibility? http://www.alistapart.com/articles/wiwa/ Mountaintop Corners http://www.alistapart.com/articles/mountaintop/ Accessible Search Engine Optimisation Techniques http://www.juicystudio.com/accessible-seo/ SMIL is back http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2004_05.html#a000330 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/ http://www.realnetworks.com/resources/howto/smil/index.html Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Some links for light reading...
Very interesting I do find it ironic that a page talking about Microsoft's lack of standards support does not validate. Close, but no cigar. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Informal Bondi/Eastern Suburbs meetup
Hi all, anyone interested in an informal meetup of wsg and similar people in Bondi/Eastern Suburbs of Sydney this coming tuesday - short notice I know, but ... please email me offlist and I'll let you know the details, thanks John John Allsopp :: westciv :: software, courses, resources for a standards based web style master blog http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ http://www.westciv.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Australian Communications Authority
Hi all, I just had reason to visit the ACA web site, http://www.aca.gov.au In their own words. The website has been redesigned to allow users to easily find their way around the site. The new site has five information categories: And from the Accessibility page. Nah, I'll let you enjoy the experience. You'll have more fun with flash and Javascript turned off. I like the idea of the 345kb PDF that is provided to help me to use the site. -- Regards, Rob Unsworth Ipswich, Australia --- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
