Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

[Joseph Lindsay]

While the list is probably the best place to start this, it's probably
not the best place to carry it on.  Anyone that wants to meetup
before/during/after WE04 leave comments here:
http://josephlindsay.com/


Gmail invites - just ask nicely
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FW: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

[Jason Bayly]

Leslie you're a legend,

That fixed it, I added the JS include just recently as that is what hostway
want u to add to enable their "enhanced" web stats product called Urchin.
For the life of me at the time I didn't put 2 and 2 together and pick it up,
I couldn't remember killing my style sheet. I think I will mention this to
hostway. 

I replied directly cause Im gettting the list as a digest, and am not sure
how this list works yet... I just hit reply I thought. If I reply to the
list will it automatically thread the conversation and all that? Or is there
a NNTP version of the list anywheres? I prefer it that way usually...

Thanks for the help

Jason

>From the Urchin Documentation: (from hostway)
Regardless of which method you use, the following line of code should be
included in the beginning of each HTML page that is delivered to the
visitor. Note that there are two underscores at the beginning of the file
name. 



(...existing content)




-Original Message-
From: Leslie Riggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 2:06 PM
To: Jason Bayly
Subject: Re: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout


Hi Jason,
The first thing that hit my eyes when I looked at the source was a 
script before the document type declaration.  DTD should be first in the 
source, otherwise it won't validate.  Because of that, the validator 
defaults to HTML 4.01 and you're trying to get it to XHMTL 1.0 
Transitional.  That would be the first thing I'd fix, then run the 
validator and see if any other errors show up, fix those. 

I'm not sure if that will take care of your problem, but we always 
recommend you validate your source and CSS when you run into problems, 
fix any errors, THEN see if you still have a problem and can't fix it.  
If that's the case, come on back and tell us the steps you took

Leslie Riggs
p.s. Was there a reason you only posted the URL privately to me?  Others 
might also have some suggestions too...

Jason Bayly wrote:

> Hi Leslie,
>  
> The site is very close to release, if u could have a look at the 
> problem id appreciate it... the problem exists on any page with fluid 
> tables...
>  
> http://staging.inggroup.com.au/3462vc_website/public/theboard.cfm
> 
>  
> any thoughts appreciated
>  
> jason
>  
>  
> ---Original Message---
> Was just reccomended to join the group.. A quick intro my name is 
> Jason Bayly im a CF/Flash developer in Sydney AU.
>  
> Ok, im 99% completed a job.. my first one with a complete css box 
> model layout.
>
> Anyways. 3 columns, centre is fluid, looks great in the latest 
> browsers my problem is that all thru development i had a few pages 
> with tables(i know, bad bad) to format some content that couldnt 
> easily be done with divs. I had these set to 95% width which kept my 
> layout neat and spaced on the various screen res's. And worked 
> perfectly, now it seems that any table set with a percentage width 
> hangs off the screen to the right as if it doesnt see my right col 
> div. Im assuming ive made a change to css which has introduced a bug 
> with my layout, but for the life me cant see it..
>
> Anyone got any ideas what would cause a table to lose its width like 
> this? I dont want to go back to fix width tables as this isnt using 
> the space the best, and isnt fluid like the rest of the site. I can 
> bounce my css file to anyone insterested, too long to post here.




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RE: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

[Jason Bayly]

Leslie you're a legend,

That fixed it, I added the JS include just recently as that is what hostway
want u to add to enable their "enhanced" web stats product called Urchin.
For the life of me at the time I didn't put 2 and 2 together and pick it up,
I couldn't remember killing my style sheet. I think I will mention this to
hostway. 

I replied directly cause Im gettting the list as a digest, and am not sure
how this list works yet... I just hit reply I thought. If I reply to the
list will it automatically thread the conversation and all that? Or is there
a NNTP version of the list anywheres? I prefer it that way usually...

Thanks for the help

Jason

>From the Urchin Documentation: (from hostway)
Regardless of which method you use, the following line of code should be
included in the beginning of each HTML page that is delivered to the
visitor. Note that there are two underscores at the beginning of the file
name. 



(...existing content)




-Original Message-
From: Leslie Riggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 2:06 PM
To: Jason Bayly
Subject: Re: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout


Hi Jason,
The first thing that hit my eyes when I looked at the source was a 
script before the document type declaration.  DTD should be first in the 
source, otherwise it won't validate.  Because of that, the validator 
defaults to HTML 4.01 and you're trying to get it to XHMTL 1.0 
Transitional.  That would be the first thing I'd fix, then run the 
validator and see if any other errors show up, fix those. 

I'm not sure if that will take care of your problem, but we always 
recommend you validate your source and CSS when you run into problems, 
fix any errors, THEN see if you still have a problem and can't fix it.  
If that's the case, come on back and tell us the steps you took

Leslie Riggs
p.s. Was there a reason you only posted the URL privately to me?  Others 
might also have some suggestions too...

Jason Bayly wrote:

> Hi Leslie,
>  
> The site is very close to release, if u could have a look at the
> problem id appreciate it... the problem exists on any page with fluid 
> tables...
>  
> http://staging.inggroup.com.au/3462vc_website/public/theboard.cfm
> 
>  
> any thoughts appreciated
>  
> jason
>  
>  
> ---Original Message---
> Was just reccomended to join the group.. A quick intro my name is
> Jason Bayly im a CF/Flash developer in Sydney AU.
>  
> Ok, im 99% completed a job.. my first one with a complete css box
> model layout.
>
> Anyways. 3 columns, centre is fluid, looks great in the latest
> browsers my problem is that all thru development i had a few pages 
> with tables(i know, bad bad) to format some content that couldnt 
> easily be done with divs. I had these set to 95% width which kept my 
> layout neat and spaced on the various screen res's. And worked 
> perfectly, now it seems that any table set with a percentage width 
> hangs off the screen to the right as if it doesnt see my right col 
> div. Im assuming ive made a change to css which has introduced a bug 
> with my layout, but for the life me cant see it..
>
> Anyone got any ideas what would cause a table to lose its width like
> this? I dont want to go back to fix width tables as this isnt using 
> the space the best, and isnt fluid like the rest of the site. I can 
> bounce my css file to anyone insterested, too long to post here.




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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Justin French]

On 17/09/2004, at 12:12 AM, Siteman DA - Bent Inge wrote:
Hi there!
U should really take a look at the FCKeditor, a sourceforge project.
At Siteman we use this for our CMS and it works great.
Check it out at http://www.fckeditor.net/ - it's free as well.
Doesn't work in Firefox, doesn't work in Safari, so as far as I'm 
concerned, it's no good for sites with any Mac users.  Honestly, who 
cares about the price?  I'd pay good money if someone would just "get 
it right" finally...

By "right", I mean support for IE, Opera, Mozilla family and KHTML 
family (Safari, et al) on Mac & Windows, with support for clean, 
standard, XHTML code.  No .exe files, no complex installers, no IE-only 
proprietary nonsense.

If that's such a monumental task (it probably is), they should start by 
removing features, rather than removing support for certain browsers.

Rant over :)
---
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Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

[Darren Wood]

Cameron Adams wrote:
Yeah, a few 8:30AM beers would go down nicely ;o]
amen, brother! ;)
D
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Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF

[Matt Andrews]

... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a
huge advantage over Mozilla: the "Edit CSS" feature - a must for any
CSS developer!

load a page, choose "Edit CSS", and a sidebar opens with the CSS
files.  edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. 
save the CSS files out to disk.  bliss :)


On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:50:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but
> also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less
> mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from
> any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly
> faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and
> feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want
> the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer
> extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper
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Re: [WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

[Leslie Riggs]

Is there a way to post a URL for us to look at?
Leslie

Hi All,
 
Was just reccomended to join the group.. A quick intro my name is 
Jason Bayly im a CF/Flash developer in Sydney AU.
 
Ok, im 99% completed a job.. my first one with a complete css box 
model layout.

Anyways. 3 columns, centre is fluid, looks great in the latest 
browsers my problem is that all thru development i had a few pages 
with tables(i know, bad bad) to format some content that couldnt 
easily be done with divs. I had these set to 95% width which kept my 
layout neat and spaced on the various screen res's. And worked 
perfectly, now it seems that any table set with a percentage width 
hangs off the screen to the right as if it doesnt see my right col 
div. Im assuming ive made a change to css which has introduced a bug 
with my layout, but for the life me cant see it..

Anyone got any ideas what would cause a table to lose its width like 
this? I dont want to go back to fix width tables as this isnt using 
the space the best, and isnt fluid like the rest of the site. I can 
bounce my css file to anyone insterested, too long to post here.

Any thoughts or suggestions appreciated..
Cheers
 
Jason
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[WSG] Problems with fluid tables in css layout

[Jason Bayly]

Title: Message




Hi All, 

 
Was just 
reccomended to join the group.. A quick intro my name is Jason Bayly im a 
CF/Flash developer in Sydney AU.
 
Ok, im 99% completed a job.. my first one 
with a complete css box model layout.
Anyways. 3 columns, centre is 
fluid, looks great in the latest browsers my 
problem is that all thru development i had a few pages with 
tables(i know, bad bad) 
to format some content that couldnt easily be done with divs. I had 
these set to 95% width which kept my 
layout neat and spaced on the various screen 
res's. And worked perfectly, now it seems that any table set with a percentage width hangs off the screen to the 
right as if it doesnt see my right col 
div. Im assuming ive made a change to css which has introduced a bug with my layout, but for the life me cant 
see it..Anyone got any ideas what would cause a table to lose its width 
like this? I dont want to go back to fix 
width tables as this isnt using the space the best, and isnt fluid like the rest of the site. 
I can bounce my css file to anyone 
insterested, too long to post here.Any thoughts or suggestions 
appreciated..
Cheers
 
Jason

Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

[Cameron Adams]

Yeah, a few 8:30AM beers would go down nicely ;o]

--
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W: www.themaninblue.com


--- Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Joe
> 
> Good to see you on the list. 
> 
> I'll also be speaking at the conference - thrilling
> the audience with
> the finer points of semantic markup in the hang over
> slot (9am on the
> second day). Would be good to catch up before,
> during or after -
> Coffee, beer, whatever.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Stanton 
> Gruden Pty Ltd 
> http://www.gruden.com
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Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

[Amit Karmakar]

Really looking forward to it. Less than a fortnight away from now! Yay! 


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:42:38 +1000, Mark Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Joe
> 
> Good to see you on the list.
> 
> I'll also be speaking at the conference - thrilling the audience with
> the finer points of semantic markup in the hang over slot (9am on the
> second day). Would be good to catch up before, during or after -
> Coffee, beer, whatever.
> 
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> 
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Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

[Neerav]

Looks around for who would fork out the  and time involved ... cant 
see any ... case closed

the presentation notes will be up as usual within a few days/week
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Jad Madi wrote:
Hi
why you dont make the meeting live guys ?
what about live audio broadcasting ?
so other can listen live 


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:27:38 +1000, Herrod, Lisa
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'll go the Elephant stamp...
Great work Ben and also, it was a really interesting presentation.
Thanks for all the effort involved in getting clearance to show us the site
too.
Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap
After listening to Ben's presentation I feel he deserves a big *Gold*
Star for work "above and beyond the call of duty" :-)
Neerav Bhatt
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russ - maxdesign wrote:
Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance.
Thank you to all who turned up.
We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct
mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone
live - built with web standards, of course. Great stuff! Both
presentations
will be available online in the near future.
A big thank you to both presenters.
PS. I have some lost property. Someone left behind a CD with image files
(or
at least that is what the label says). Contact me off-list if you think it
is yours.
Russ
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Re: [WSG] Joe does Oz

[Mark Stanton]

Hey Joe

Good to see you on the list. 

I'll also be speaking at the conference - thrilling the audience with
the finer points of semantic markup in the hang over slot (9am on the
second day). Would be good to catch up before, during or after -
Coffee, beer, whatever.


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Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

[Jad Madi]

Hi
why you dont make the meeting live guys ?
what about live audio broadcasting ?
so other can listen live 



On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:27:38 +1000, Herrod, Lisa
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll go the Elephant stamp...
> 
> Great work Ben and also, it was a really interesting presentation.
> 
> Thanks for all the effort involved in getting clearance to show us the site
> too.
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap
> 
> After listening to Ben's presentation I feel he deserves a big *Gold*
> Star for work "above and beyond the call of duty" :-)
> 
> Neerav Bhatt
> http://www.bhatt.id.au
> Web Development & IT consultancy
> Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27
> 
> http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts
> http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav
> 
> russ - maxdesign wrote:
> > Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance.
> > Thank you to all who turned up.
> >
> > We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct
> > mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone
> > live - built with web standards, of course. Great stuff! Both
> presentations
> > will be available online in the near future.
> >
> > A big thank you to both presenters.
> >
> > PS. I have some lost property. Someone left behind a CD with image files
> (or
> > at least that is what the label says). Contact me off-list if you think it
> > is yours.
> >
> > Russ
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RE: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

[Herrod, Lisa]

I'll go the Elephant stamp...

Great work Ben and also, it was a really interesting presentation.

Thanks for all the effort involved in getting clearance to show us the site
too.

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap


After listening to Ben's presentation I feel he deserves a big *Gold* 
Star for work "above and beyond the call of duty" :-)

Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
Web Development & IT consultancy
Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27

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russ - maxdesign wrote:
> Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance.
> Thank you to all who turned up.
> 
> We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct
> mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone
> live - built with web standards, of course. Great stuff! Both
presentations
> will be available online in the near future.
> 
> A big thank you to both presenters.
> 
> PS. I have some lost property. Someone left behind a CD with image files
(or
> at least that is what the label says). Contact me off-list if you think it
> is yours.
> 
> Russ
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Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

[Neerav]

After listening to Ben's presentation I feel he deserves a big *Gold* 
Star for work "above and beyond the call of duty" :-)

Neerav Bhatt
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Web Development & IT consultancy
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russ - maxdesign wrote:
Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance.
Thank you to all who turned up.
We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct
mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone
live - built with web standards, of course. Great stuff! Both presentations
will be available online in the near future.
A big thank you to both presenters.
PS. I have some lost property. Someone left behind a CD with image files (or
at least that is what the label says). Contact me off-list if you think it
is yours.
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)]

Hi Mike,

We'll do some research on this and I'll get back to you. If anyone got some
suggestions, email me off the list - thanks.

Regards,
-Vlad


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From: "Michael Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors


> G'day Vlad,
>
> Thanks for posting about your XStandard editor. I've been looking at your
> product off-and-on for a while, and never got round to getting a hold of
it
> and using it seriously.
>
> One thing worries me though ... with WIndowsXP SP2 supressing all active-X
> controls except Microsoft's, how do you get around this?
>
> I was developing a flash app the other day, and every time I went to
preview
> it on my own PC, IE blocked it and I had to click 3 places to tell IE that
I
> wanted to allow my own app to run on my own PC.
>
> Cheers
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Vlad Alexander (XStandard)
> Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors
>
> Hi Olajide,
>
> Most of the in-browser editors mentioned are wrappers around the MSHTML
> control in IE which is just a derivative of a 5 year old version of
> FrontPage. Microsoft is no longer supporting or enhancing it. Any editors
> that have color-pickers or font-selectors do not follow best-practices in
> Web standards.
>
> Some think that if you take HTML 4 generated by WYSIWYG editors, shape,
> twist, squeeze and pull it, you get XHTML. If you want accessible and
> semantically meaningful XHTML, then generated XHTML from the get go. Check
> out this article:
> http://xstandard.com/wysiwyg/
>
> I am one of the developers of XStandard - a standards-compliant XHTML
> (Strict / 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. We offer a free version so that Web
standards
> are in reach of every developer. A Mozilla/Firefox version will be
available
> next month.
>
> Here is the link:
> http://xstandard.com
>
> Regards,
> -Vlad Alexander
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> http://xstandard.com
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Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF

[Felix Miata]

Tom Livingston wrote:
 
> Can someone briefly sum up the differences, if any (besides the built-in
> mail), between Moz 1.7.3 Mac and FF 1.0PR Mac?

Both are built with the Gecko rendering engine. They also share the same
networking core. So, you can expect no differences in page rendering
except any few attributable to bugs or bug fixes that may be in one and
not the other due to the age difference of particular versions involved.

Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but
also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less
mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from
any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly
faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and
feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want
the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer
extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper
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RE: [WSG] (Understandable) Myths about the W3C WAI

[Joe Clark]

Anyone that wants to participate can. Like Geoff pointed out you do 
not need to make the teleconferences. However, if you wish to use 
IRC you can and save yourself a long distance phone charge. Many 
people outside the USA use IRC.
Except, as WAI will tell you itself, the IRC channel is merely for 
notetaking and is not a free-standing method of "contributing" to the 
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[WSG] Joe does Oz

[Joe Clark]

Well, as many of you may have heard, I'm traveling the highways, 
byways, and indeed hemispheres to speak at Russ and his posse's Web 
Essentials '04 conference. I have, as it were, an all-access pass.

Now, who's up for mainlining double espresso before, during, or after 
the conference?

Also, native Sydneysiders, please drop me a line. One has vacation 
time after the conference, and one has *needs* in that respect.
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Re: [WSG] 508??

[Joe Clark]

Late to the party, I know. Isn't that always the way?
 * From: J Rodgers
Ontario (where I am) has the Ontarians with Disabilities Act (2001) 
but it lacks any real teeth and doesn't suggest anything specifi
Provincial-government sites must be "accessible"; this is interpreted 
as meaning Priority 2. It's easy to find pages that flunk, of course.

I think (not entirely sure) in Canada there is the wild card - 
Charter of Rights and Freedoms. I have heard a few discussions about 
how inaccessible websites violate people's rights in Canada, but to 
my knowledge no court cases yet.
None. And you'd start probably with a human-rights complaint (Cf. Maguire).
The other problem of validators is annoying as well. I was sitting 
in Tim Hortons in Toronto with Joe Clark listening to him go on how 
validators can't tell you want you have done right, only what you 
have done wrong, but even then they are inaccurate - when I thought, 
this is madness (and no it wasn't just because Joe was ranting) and 
I haven't seen anything in the past year or so to make me think 
otherwise.
The only time I have sat in a Tim Horton['s] in the last two years 
was after the Ryerson presentation.


And there is absolutely no way I was talking about "validators"; I'm 
sure I was talking about automated accessibility testers like Bobby. 
However, since  and  are both valid HTML, 
even the validator can't always tell you when you're making a mistake.

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[WSG] Moz vs. FF

[Tom Livingston]

Hi all,
Can someone briefly sum up the differences, if any (besides the built-in 
mail), between Moz 1.7.3 Mac and FF 1.0PR Mac?

Off-list responses are just dandy!
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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Jake Badger]

Well that's just strange, on my ibook (system 10.3.5) with Omniweb 
(5.0.1) it does cause the problem.

jake
On 17/09/2004, at 12:21 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
Tom Livingston wrote:
What about PS color settings. Is it possible that the color space is 
off?
The test file I mentioned before was created with Fireworks, taking 
the default settings.

Jake Badger wrote:
Are you sure? When I open it in OW (5.0.1 v558.48) is seems to 
happen, making me think that it IS a webcore/khtml issue.
Viewing it on a Apple 17inch LCD, calibrated. Colorsync on/off in 
Omniweb (5.0.1) doesn't make any difference.

For a more comprehensive set of tests, see this at libpng.org

And Henri Sivonen's test results (older page, seems to show that older 
Safari equally fail those tests)


The problem seems to be: Safari calibrates the colours in a PNG file 
differently than the colours in the html/css.

Philippe
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RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Michael Kear]

G'day Vlad, 

Thanks for posting about your XStandard editor. I've been looking at your
product off-and-on for a while, and never got round to getting a hold of it
and using it seriously. 

One thing worries me though ... with WIndowsXP SP2 supressing all active-X
controls except Microsoft's, how do you get around this? 

I was developing a flash app the other day, and every time I went to preview
it on my own PC, IE blocked it and I had to click 3 places to tell IE that I
wanted to allow my own app to run on my own PC. 

Cheers
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Behalf Of Vlad Alexander (XStandard)
Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

Hi Olajide,

Most of the in-browser editors mentioned are wrappers around the MSHTML
control in IE which is just a derivative of a 5 year old version of
FrontPage. Microsoft is no longer supporting or enhancing it. Any editors
that have color-pickers or font-selectors do not follow best-practices in
Web standards.

Some think that if you take HTML 4 generated by WYSIWYG editors, shape,
twist, squeeze and pull it, you get XHTML. If you want accessible and
semantically meaningful XHTML, then generated XHTML from the get go. Check
out this article:
http://xstandard.com/wysiwyg/

I am one of the developers of XStandard - a standards-compliant XHTML
(Strict / 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. We offer a free version so that Web standards
are in reach of every developer. A Mozilla/Firefox version will be available
next month.

Here is the link:
http://xstandard.com

Regards,
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[WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap

[russ - maxdesign]

Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance.
Thank you to all who turned up.

We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct
mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone
live - built with web standards, of course. Great stuff! Both presentations
will be available online in the near future.

A big thank you to both presenters.

PS. I have some lost property. Someone left behind a CD with image files (or
at least that is what the label says). Contact me off-list if you think it
is yours.

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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

Tom Livingston wrote:
What about PS color settings. Is it possible that the color space is 
off?
The test file I mentioned before was created with Fireworks, taking the 
default settings.

Jake Badger wrote:
Are you sure? When I open it in OW (5.0.1 v558.48) is seems to happen, 
making me think that it IS a webcore/khtml issue.
Viewing it on a Apple 17inch LCD, calibrated. Colorsync on/off in 
Omniweb (5.0.1) doesn't make any difference.

For a more comprehensive set of tests, see this at libpng.org

And Henri Sivonen's test results (older page, seems to show that older 
Safari equally fail those tests)


The problem seems to be: Safari calibrates the colours in a PNG file 
differently than the colours in the html/css.

Philippe
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Siteman DA - Bent Inge]

Hi there!

U should really take a look at the FCKeditor, a sourceforge project.
At Siteman we use this for our CMS and it works great.
Check it out at http://www.fckeditor.net/ - it's free as well.

Best regards,
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> Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works
> with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other browser.
> 
> The ones I have been seeing only work with IE
> 
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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Nick Gleitzman]

On Thursday, Sep 16, 2004, at 18:54 Australia/Sydney, Philippe 
Wittenbergh wrote:

I made a very quick testfile [1]- a coloured square PNG in the middle 
of div with the same background-colour. Safari 1.2.3.v125.9 shows a 
difference (screenshot [2]); Omniweb 5.0 displays it correctly. 
Omniweb uses Webcore and doesn't rely on the Webkit frameworks.

Anyone running OS X 10.2 could check ?
Anyway, it is a bloody annoying bug.
[1] 
[2] 
Safari 1.0.3 (v85.8) on OS X 10.2.8: the image is about 10% darker than 
the bgrd.
Firefox 0.9.1, IE 5.2.2 (5010.1) - both fine.

Seems that it's Safari...
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Olajide Olaolorun]

Thanks guys, but most of the ones I see here don't support Mozilla/Firefox...

FCK Editor looks good and it looks like they just updated it to
support Mozilla, I want something that looks good you know :) Like
Spaw... just that it is only for IE I want users to be able to
edit in any browser

Thanks...

Also DreamWeaver is not a web based WYSIWYG Editor but a program
based I needed web based ones that uses PHP and not ASP or ASP.Net
or anything like that because my server only runs PHP and not ASP\

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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Dylan Egan]

Hi,
If you want to have some fun, try http://bitfluxeditor.org/
It's an XML WYSIWYG editor and of course only works in Mozilla, latest 
versions work best, so I suggest 1.0PR for Firefox.

Dylan.
Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works
with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other browser.
The ones I have been seeing only work with IE
Please help...
 

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RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Patrick Lauke]

www.editize.com offers solid performance and (despite its limited support for any but 
the most common xhtml elements) value for money, if you don't mind the fact that it's 
a java applet.

Patrick

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 16 September 2004 12:11
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> Subject: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors
> 
> 
> Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works
> with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other browser.
> 
> The ones I have been seeing only work with IE
> 
> Please help...
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[XStandard]

Hi Olajide,

Most of the in-browser editors mentioned are wrappers around the MSHTML control in IE 
which is just a derivative of a 5 year old version of FrontPage. Microsoft is no 
longer supporting or enhancing it. Any editors that have color-pickers or 
font-selectors do not follow best-practices in Web standards.

Some think that if you take HTML 4 generated by WYSIWYG editors, shape, twist, squeeze 
and pull it, you get XHTML. If you want accessible and semantically meaningful XHTML, 
then generated XHTML from the get go. Check out this article:
http://xstandard.com/wysiwyg/

I am one of the developers of XStandard - a standards-compliant XHTML (Strict / 1.1) 
WYSIWYG editor. We offer a free version so that Web standards are in reach of every 
developer. A Mozilla/Firefox version will be available next month.

Here is the link:
http://xstandard.com

Regards,
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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Tom Livingston]

What about PS color settings. Is it possible that the color space is 
off?


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On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:54 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:30 pm, Jake Badger wrote:
Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older 
version of
webcore), so either it's a problem with a new build (my guess) or in 
the webkit
framework.
Hmm - as far as I remember, I did notice some strange colour shifts 
with PNG files in Safari before upgrading OS X 10.3 and the more 
recent versions of Webkit/Webcore.

I made a very quick testfile [1]- a coloured square PNG in the middle 
of div with the same background-colour. Safari 1.2.3.v125.9 shows a 
difference (screenshot [2]); Omniweb 5.0 displays it correctly. 
Omniweb uses Webcore and doesn't rely on the Webkit frameworks.

Anyone running OS X 10.2 could check ?
Anyway, it is a bloody annoying bug.
[1] 
[2] 
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Mark Harwood]

Right, i would not class a TEXTAREA editor as a WYSIWYG editor, so hence my last
reply...

But for a TEXTAREA editor i would reccomend RADEditor, there was a posting a
month or so ago to the list with a very in-depth review too some of the major
ones out there.

Check the list archives for it.

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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Krassy]

--- Olajide Olaolorun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG
> Editor that works
> with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other
> browser.

Here's a list of WYSIWYG editors out of my bookmarks
folder.

Cross-browser WYSIWYG editors:

[1] ActiveEdit
* Compatible with IE4+, Netscape 6.2+, and Mozilla
1.0+ and works with Mac OS X Safari Browser.
* Comes with built-in spell checker.
http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/

[2] Cross-browser Rich Text Editor
* Compatible with IE5+/Mozilla 1.3+/Mozilla
Firebird/Firefox 0.6.1.
* Comes with ASP/PHP/HTML demos.
* Supports multiple WYSIWYG editor instances on one
page
http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm

[3] FCK Editor
* Compatible with IE 5+, Mozilla and Netscape
http://www.fckeditor.net/

[4] Mishoo HTMLArea
* Compatible with IE 5.5+ and Mozilla 1.3
http://dynarch.com/mishoo/htmlarea.epl

[5] InteractiveTools HTMLArea
* Compatible with IE 5.5+ (Windows)/Mozilla 1.3 (all
OS)
http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/

[6] KUPU
* Compatible with Netscape, Mozilla and IE
http://kupu.oscom.org/


XHTML WYSIWYG Editors:

[1] Xstandard
http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586

[2] r.a.d. Editor - The granddaddy of them all. Here's
a list of only a few of the features:
* Cross-browser support - IE, Netscape, Mozilla.
* XHTML compliant.
* Find and Replace in Design- and HTML-mode.
* Spell checking with the MS Word dictionaries plus
Multilingual spell checker(19 languages).
* Easy localization through XML.
* Full table editing, Word®-like table builder.
* Document uploader (PDF, DOC, CHM, etc.)
* Enhanced image dialog, thumbnail generator
...etc. 
The list never ends.
http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586


WYSIWYG editors listing:

[1] http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html
[2]
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Authoring/HTML/WYSIWYG_Editors/


WYSIWYG editors research notes:

[1] http://www.darrelaustin.com/stuff/htmleditors.html
[2] My notes. See above :)

Good luck!

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RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Michael Kear]

Sorry Mark, but I don't think you're correct.  Until very recently, they
only worked on IE.  Run the page on any other browser and you either get an
error, or a plain textarea form control.

And until the day before yesterday, there wasn't any I knew of that claimed
to have XHTML support.   Except one that claimed to have XHML support and
produced all upper case tags, and allowed  to remain in the output.

And yes, Dreamweaver handles XHTML excellently.  You can load an old page
into it,  select "Convert to XHTML" on the file menu and bingo!  Valid
XHML1.0 Transitional.  A little tweaking and you have XHTML1.0Strict.


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Behalf Of Mark Harwood
Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 9:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors


Olajide,

You question is a bit vage, any WYSIWYG editor will work on all 
browsers depending on the markup you input!

I think your asking "which offers the best XHTML & CSS" Support?

I wouldnt know, as i thrown on using them for XHTML & CSS coding,
But Dreamweaver MX 2004 is supose to handly XHTML & CSS very well
but its still down to how well the user implements the code as too
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Jake Badger]

I assume you mean in browser editors (rather than stand alone like DW)? 
HTML Area 3.0 is probably the best I've seen for free, and it works on 
any browser with midas support. However I don't think it enforces good 
coding, maybe you could get it to send the output  through html tidy 
after editing.

Jake
On 16/09/2004, at 9:11 PM, Olajide Olaolorun wrote:
Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works
with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other browser.
The ones I have been seeing only work with IE
Please help...
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RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Michael Kear]

There are some coming through now that work in Firefox too.  It's been a
problem because they use a proprietary control in IE.

Here are some you can look at: 
TinyMCE
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/examples/example_simple.htm
http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/examples/example_advanced.htm

Dev Edit has HTML and XHTML output, and comes in flavours for .ASP, .PHP,
.NET and ColdFusion. 
www.devedit.com

There's FCKEdit, which comes in .ASP and ColdFusion (not sure about the
others)
FCKEditor Beta 2
http://www.fckeditor.net/Demo/

And of course the old tried-and-true SoEditor, now in XHTML  

SoEditor 3 alpha demos
http://www.siteobjects.com/siteobjects/soeditor3/pro/demos/ 

Actually not much to see here at the moment. Not many of the buttons are
functional. Notable is the full screen mode which unlike some other editors
stretches the layer to full screen --> _VERY_ nice!


Now all of those are free, of course, but may work out to be worth the
investment anyway.


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Subject: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works
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The ones I have been seeing only work with IE

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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors

[Mark Harwood]

Olajide,

You question is a bit vage, any WYSIWYG editor will work on all 
browsers depending on the markup you input!

I think your asking "which offers the best XHTML & CSS" Support?

I wouldnt know, as i thrown on using them for XHTML & CSS coding,
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[Olajide Olaolorun]

Hi, I was wondering if any one knows a free WYSIWYG Editor that works
with both IE and Firefox or Mozilla... or any other browser.

The ones I have been seeing only work with IE

Please help...

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:46:21 -0700, Rick Faaberg wrote:
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I read it as an out-of-office thingy and unsubscribed him for the 
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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Jake Badger]

Are you sure? When I open it in OW (5.0.1 v558.48) is seems to happen, 
making me think that it IS a webcore/khtml issue.

On 16/09/2004, at 6:54 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:30 pm, Jake Badger wrote:
Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older 
version of
webcore), so either it's a problem with a new build (my guess) or in 
the webkit
framework.
Hmm - as far as I remember, I did notice some strange colour shifts 
with PNG files in Safari before upgrading OS X 10.3 and the more 
recent versions of Webkit/Webcore.

I made a very quick testfile [1]- a coloured square PNG in the middle 
of div with the same background-colour. Safari 1.2.3.v125.9 shows a 
difference (screenshot [2]); Omniweb 5.0 displays it correctly. 
Omniweb uses Webcore and doesn't rely on the Webkit frameworks.

Anyone running OS X 10.2 could check ?
Anyway, it is a bloody annoying bug.
[1] 
[2] 
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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On Sep 16, 2004, at 4:30 pm, Jake Badger wrote:
Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older 
version of
webcore), so either it's a problem with a new build (my guess) or in 
the webkit
framework.
Hmm - as far as I remember, I did notice some strange colour shifts 
with PNG files in Safari before upgrading OS X 10.3 and the more recent 
versions of Webkit/Webcore.

I made a very quick testfile [1]- a coloured square PNG in the middle 
of div with the same background-colour. Safari 1.2.3.v125.9 shows a 
difference (screenshot [2]); Omniweb 5.0 displays it correctly. Omniweb 
uses Webcore and doesn't rely on the Webkit frameworks.

Anyone running OS X 10.2 could check ?
Anyway, it is a bloody annoying bug.
[1] 
[2] 
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No offense hopefully, but most posts here are english.

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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Jake Badger]

Philippe was saying that it didn't happen in OW (which uses an older version of
webcore), so either it's a problem with a new build (my guess) or in the webkit
framework.

Jake
Quoting Michael Donnermeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Cameron,
>
> Sometimes there's an issue with the gamma difference between Macs and
> PCs.  I don't think that's entirely the case here.  I've had some
> issues with images exported from Photoshop CS (probably ver. 7 too)
> using the 'save for web' feature or whatever it's called.  That being
> them having minor color difference issues, but I don't think thats the
> problem either.
>
> If you collapse the 'feature box' above the grey box, the shade
> difference disappears.  When it isn't collapsed I swear I can see a
> faint continuation of the difference over the diagonal line background
> to the feature box.  Like there's a 'box' there with some light
> transparency (5%) causing the issue.  I dropped the screen from
> millions of colors to thousands and it made the 'ghost box' more
> apparent on my iBook.
>
> I would probably guess it to be a bug in KHTML, since it won't
> duplicate in Firefox, Mozilla 1.7, Opera 7.5, Camino, or IE5.2 (what
> little of it I could see...totally fubar'd in IE).  It also wouldn't
> duplicate in IE 6 under Win2kPro/VPC on the same machine.  It did
> duplicate in Echo, which is another KHTML based browser on the Mac
> platform.
>
> ~MD
>
> On Sep 16, 2004, at 00:31, Cameron Adams wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was wondering whether anyone knew why on my site:
> >
> > http://www.themaninblue.com/
> >
> > a Mac using a display of millions of colours (in
> > Safari) renders the images in the main grey panel
> > differently, thus creating a visible line on either
> > side of the content. Whereas on PC it is seamless.
> >
> > I'm guessing it arises because I use a JPEG for the
> > main middle part, and GIFs for the two sides (or vice
> > versa) and the computer is rendering the colours
> > differently? But on a PC machine it's all fine and no
> > discrepancies can be seen.
> >
> > This also happens on another site I'm developing,
> > where the CSS background-color differs from the JPEG
> > background image on Mac, but looks fine on PC.
> >
> > If anyone knows a solution it would be much
> > appreciated.
> >
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Re: [WSG] Mac (Safari) rendering of colours

[Michael Donnermeyer]

Cameron,
Sometimes there's an issue with the gamma difference between Macs and 
PCs.  I don't think that's entirely the case here.  I've had some 
issues with images exported from Photoshop CS (probably ver. 7 too) 
using the 'save for web' feature or whatever it's called.  That being 
them having minor color difference issues, but I don't think thats the 
problem either.

If you collapse the 'feature box' above the grey box, the shade 
difference disappears.  When it isn't collapsed I swear I can see a 
faint continuation of the difference over the diagonal line background 
to the feature box.  Like there's a 'box' there with some light 
transparency (5%) causing the issue.  I dropped the screen from 
millions of colors to thousands and it made the 'ghost box' more 
apparent on my iBook.

I would probably guess it to be a bug in KHTML, since it won't 
duplicate in Firefox, Mozilla 1.7, Opera 7.5, Camino, or IE5.2 (what 
little of it I could see...totally fubar'd in IE).  It also wouldn't 
duplicate in IE 6 under Win2kPro/VPC on the same machine.  It did 
duplicate in Echo, which is another KHTML based browser on the Mac 
platform.

~MD
On Sep 16, 2004, at 00:31, Cameron Adams wrote:
Hi,
I was wondering whether anyone knew why on my site:
http://www.themaninblue.com/
a Mac using a display of millions of colours (in
Safari) renders the images in the main grey panel
differently, thus creating a visible line on either
side of the content. Whereas on PC it is seamless.
I'm guessing it arises because I use a JPEG for the
main middle part, and GIFs for the two sides (or vice
versa) and the computer is rendering the colours
differently? But on a PC machine it's all fine and no
discrepancies can be seen.
This also happens on another site I'm developing,
where the CSS background-color differs from the JPEG
background image on Mac, but looks fine on PC.
If anyone knows a solution it would be much
appreciated.
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