[WSG] Use of address
I'm curious if and how you are all using the address tag. The HTML 4 spec has this to say: -- The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. For example, a page at the W3C Web site related to HTML might include the following contact information: ADDRESS A href=../People/Raggett/Dave Raggett/A, A href=../People/Arnaud/Arnaud Le Hors/A, contact persons for the A href=ActivityW3C HTML Activity/ABR $Date: 1999/12/24 23:37:50 $ /ADDRESS -- ...and out of curiosity jumping ahead the xhtml2 spec says... -- The address element may be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. content model of address element The content model of the address element should be improved to improve its semantic processability. Attributes The Common collection A collection of other attribute collections, including: Core, Events, I18N, Bi-directional, Edit, Embedding, Map, and Hypertext Example: address href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Webmaster/address -- On a Contact Us page I'm currently using it like so: h3Tasmania Office/h3 ul liContact: Errol Flynn/li /ul address pPO Box 123/p pHobart TAS 7001/p pph.: (03) 6222 1234/p pfax: (03) 6222 1235/p pemail: a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p /address However, the specs above don't make it fully clear if what I'm doing is wrong or right. The phrase to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document seems to rule out it's most common use on a contact page as strictly speaking that's usually contact info for an organisation. Surely address simply applies as a block element to ANY address, however it then also seems unclear as to how to format the address within that block. Thanks, Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Use of address
From: Nick Lo I'm curious if and how you are all using the address tag. [snip] However, the specs above don't make it fully clear if what I'm doing is wrong or right. The phrase to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document seems to rule out it's most common use on a contact page as strictly speaking that's usually contact info for an organisation. Surely address simply applies as a block element to ANY address, however it then also seems unclear as to how to format the address within that block. Address is another half-baked, not completely thought out element, in my opinion. It's fluffy and lacks consistent internal structure definition to be truly useful - so some people just use lots of line breaks (and, it could be argued, in this context br / is actually semantic, as the explicit break can be seen as an essential part of the address itself, rather than simply a presentational feature). At the same time, its definition is extremely limited in that it must, according to spec, refer to the current document or section. In your specific case, I'd say the use of address is right, as you're providing contact information for the particular section, which talks about the Tasmania branch. Effectively, I wouldn't worry too much about how *exactly* the semantics of address are being followed...once again, it's a badly thought out element, whose definition is both too vague in its structure and too overly specific in its intended application. If you use it, go ahead as per your example...but I would actually question its usefulness. (ok, I *can* imagine some kind of semantic spider collecting meta information on web pages on the fly and looking for addresses on each page to associate with the current document...but I doubt this would be feasible, as there's no way to associate an address explicitly with only a section of a document - unless you go by its container / parent) My GBP 0.02, anyway, Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Use of address
Hi! IMHO the problem is, that the address tag is an inline element. I would like to use it like this: address dl dtname/dt ddstreet/dd ddcity/dd ddcountry/dd ddphone/dd ddemail/dd /dl /address But this is not valid XHTML... :( Martin Am Montag, 29. November 2004 um 10:55:45 haben Sie geschrieben: NL I'm curious if and how you are all using the address tag. The HTML 4 NL spec has this to say: NL -- NL The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact NL information for a document or a major part of a document such as a NL form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. NL For example, a page at the W3C Web site related to HTML might include NL the following contact information: NL ADDRESS NL A href=../People/Raggett/Dave Raggett/A, NL A href=../People/Arnaud/Arnaud Le Hors/A, NL contact persons for the A href=ActivityW3C HTML Activity/ABR NL $Date: 1999/12/24 23:37:50 $ NL /ADDRESS NL -- NL ...and out of curiosity jumping ahead the xhtml2 spec says... NL -- NL The address element may be used by authors to supply contact NL information for a document or a major part of a document such as a NL form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. NL content model of address element NL The content model of the address element should be improved to improve NL its semantic processability. NL Attributes NL The Common collection NL A collection of other attribute collections, including: Core, NL Events, I18N, Bi-directional, Edit, Embedding, Map, and Hypertext NL Example: NL address href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Webmaster/address NL -- NL On a Contact Us page I'm currently using it like so: NL h3Tasmania Office/h3 NL ul NL liContact: Errol Flynn/li NL /ul NL address NL pPO Box 123/p NL pHobart TAS 7001/p NL pph.: (03) 6222 1234/p NL pfax: (03) 6222 1235/p NL pemail: a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NL [EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p NL /address NL However, the specs above don't make it fully clear if what I'm doing is NL wrong or right. The phrase to supply contact information for a NL document or a major part of a document seems to rule out it's most NL common use on a contact page as strictly speaking that's usually NL contact info for an organisation. NL Surely address simply applies as a block element to ANY address, NL however it then also seems unclear as to how to format the address NL within that block. NL Thanks, NL Nick NL ** NL The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ NL See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm NL for some hints on posting to the list getting help NL ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
W3C validation - pages validate when I run the URL through the validator, but for some reason my pages and Logo's linking to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer has stopped working in IE (6.02) - anyone else seen this, or know of a decent workaround?!?! It still works in Mozilla and the like. Oh I hate Microsoft. Error message follows: No Referer header found! You have requested we check the referring page, but your browser did not send the HTTP Referer header field. This can be for several reasons, but most commonly it is because your browser does not know about this header, has been configured not to send one, or is behind a proxy or firewall that strips it out of the request before it reaches us. This is not an error in the referring page! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Use of address
Hi Patrick, On experimenting with it it also appears that address is an inline element so fails to validate if you put e.g. a dl inside it. From the XHTML 1.0 Transistional DTD: !-- information on author -- !ELEMENT address (#PCDATA | %inline; | %misc.inline; | p)* !ATTLIST address %attrs; So while it may seem logical to give the internals some structure like... address dl dtContact Person/dt ddRod Someone/dd dtEmail/dt dd[EMAIL PROTECTED]/dd /dl /address ...it just won't allow it. So, unless I'm missing something, address seems fairly worthless and doesn't appear set to get any better in future specs. It's intended use for a document or a major part of a document also seems to cross over where metadata would probably be more appropriate. Thanks, Nick Address is another half-baked, not completely thought out element, in my opinion. It's fluffy and lacks consistent internal structure definition to be truly useful - so some people just use lots of line breaks (and, it could be argued, in this context br / is actually semantic, as the explicit break can be seen as an essential part of the address itself, rather than simply a presentational feature). At the same time, its definition is extremely limited in that it must, according to spec, refer to the current document or section. In your specific case, I'd say the use of address is right, as you're providing contact information for the particular section, which talks about the Tasmania branch. Effectively, I wouldn't worry too much about how *exactly* the semantics of address are being followed...once again, it's a badly thought out element, whose definition is both too vague in its structure and too overly specific in its intended application. If you use it, go ahead as per your example...but I would actually question its usefulness. (ok, I *can* imagine some kind of semantic spider collecting meta information on web pages on the fly and looking for addresses on each page to associate with the current document...but I doubt this would be feasible, as there's no way to associate an address explicitly with only a section of a document - unless you go by its container / parent) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Problems with positioning footer always bottom right
Hi i am having problems with the positioning of the "Privacy Policy" div tag element (id="privacy" in CSS) bottom right of the page. it sits positioned 7px right and 7px bottom if there is no scroller, but if you make the window small so that you get a scroller, then use the scroller to scroll down the page, the "privact policy" (id="privacy" in CSS) element doesnt move down the page. my aim is to get this element to always sit bottom right. I hope you guys can help me out. Its a really irritating. Page: http://www.blumedia.co.uk/developments/o2/q01.htm CSS: http://www.blumedia.co.uk/developments/o2/styles/f_o2.css Many thanks --- Josef Dunne Web Developer w: http://www.burninthespotlight.com Get Firefox! --- THIS EMAIL MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL OR LEGALLY PRIVILEGED INFORMATION. IF YOU ARE NOT THE NAMED ADDRESSEE YOU MUST NOT USE OR DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION. ---
Re: [WSG] Use of address
This has been discussed in the legendary SimpleBits: http://www.simplebits.com/notebook/2004/08/04/sq.html Quite some discussion... On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:55:45 +1100, Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious if and how you are all using the address tag. The HTML 4 spec has this to say: -- The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. For example, a page at the W3C Web site related to HTML might include the following contact information: ADDRESS A href=../People/Raggett/Dave Raggett/A, A href=../People/Arnaud/Arnaud Le Hors/A, contact persons for the A href=ActivityW3C HTML Activity/ABR $Date: 1999/12/24 23:37:50 $ /ADDRESS -- ...and out of curiosity jumping ahead the xhtml2 spec says... -- The address element may be used by authors to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document such as a form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a document. content model of address element The content model of the address element should be improved to improve its semantic processability. Attributes The Common collection A collection of other attribute collections, including: Core, Events, I18N, Bi-directional, Edit, Embedding, Map, and Hypertext Example: address href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Webmaster/address -- On a Contact Us page I'm currently using it like so: h3Tasmania Office/h3 ul liContact: Errol Flynn/li /ul address pPO Box 123/p pHobart TAS 7001/p pph.: (03) 6222 1234/p pfax: (03) 6222 1235/p pemail: a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p /address However, the specs above don't make it fully clear if what I'm doing is wrong or right. The phrase to supply contact information for a document or a major part of a document seems to rule out it's most common use on a contact page as strictly speaking that's usually contact info for an organisation. Surely address simply applies as a block element to ANY address, however it then also seems unclear as to how to format the address within that block. Thanks, Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Cheers, Rob. » http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] WordPress Overriding CSS layout issue
Don't know if anyone's got time to offer me a lil' assistance...? working on a new project, Funkdub, at the moment. Would welcome any insight as to why WordPress is screwing up my CSS/XHTML pages in Mozilla etc: http://www.funkdub.info/wp/ ...seems to work fine in IE. Its controled by 2 sepereate CSS (because of the page and WP layouts), but the page doesn't seem to stretch with the WP in it!? site still got a little way to go. ahem. http://www.funkdub.info/ SH ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Resize Issue[Not PHP]
Hi Although the file extension reads .php, this is not a PHP question, but a CSS-P related question. working.ckimedia.com/index_lay_test.php I solved the resizing issue, but have run into a centering boggle, would some knowledgeable soul assist? Also a once over the in-line CSS for efficiency would be a great help, before sending it out for import. C On Sunday, November 28, 2004, at 10:11 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, I've encountered a resizing issue with my current site redesign: working.ckimedia.com/index.php with one user font-size + change the secondary(right) column slides off the plate. Suggestions please. ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
From: Sam Hutchinson W3C validation - pages validate when I run the URL through the validator, but for some reason my pages and Logo's linking to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer has stopped working in IE (6.02) - anyone else seen this, or know of a decent workaround?!?! I'll have a stab in the dark and say that it's probably a Windows XP Service Pack 2 issue - either a new security setting in IE, or something that the built-in firewall is now blocking. I've also had a similar scenario after installing Norton Internet Security (which strips referer headers before they're sent out), but that would normally affect all browsers, not just IE. If at all possible, a fix would be to use a server-side language to explicitly write out the current document's URL in the link. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Use of address
From: Nick Lo On experimenting with it it also appears that address is an inline element so fails to validate if you put e.g. a dl inside it. Oops...I only tried it locally, and trusted the firefox Tidy extension to flag this up...but it didn't. Ho hum, you're right...this only strengthens my belief that ADDRESS as defined by the W3C spec is a load of useless rubbish...a half-hearted (well, I was going to put something else there, but thought I'd keep it clean for the kids) attempt that doesn't really work in the real world... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
I have IE 6.02 too, but still SP 1 and all is ok! greetings, johannes - Original Message - From: Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX? From: Sam Hutchinson W3C validation - pages validate when I run the URL through the validator, but for some reason my pages and Logo's linking to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer has stopped working in IE (6.02) - anyone else seen this, or know of a decent workaround?!?! I'll have a stab in the dark and say that it's probably a Windows XP Service Pack 2 issue - either a new security setting in IE, or something that the built-in firewall is now blocking. I've also had a similar scenario after installing Norton Internet Security (which strips referer headers before they're sent out), but that would normally affect all browsers, not just IE. If at all possible, a fix would be to use a server-side language to explicitly write out the current document's URL in the link. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] another problem with new site
Nope. Checked with the host and all is well there. Any additional thoughts? ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter on 11/28/2004 12:06 AM Kay Smoljak said the following: On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:19:24 +, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been getting several emails from visitors saying they're using AOL or Netscape 7.1 and they're not seeing the CSS. Check the list archives - this came up just last week, It sounds like your server is serving the css files as text/plain instead of text/css. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Re: [WSG] WordPress Overriding CSS layout issue
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: This will do: /div br style=clear: both / !-- End Menu --/div That is: you need a clearer at the bottom to make Moz expand the container and its background. You can do it without any additional mark-up. See: http://positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] WordPress Overriding CSS layout issue
that's certainly done the trick. many many thanks. fixing the overriding footers now is the issue ~ so it doesn't kill the footer text into pinpoint size, again, looks dandy in ie, but moz is killing it ps, if your into music your more than welcome to join the site. i'm planning on running a skinnning competition soon aswell. sh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] WordPress Overriding CSS layout issue Sam Hutchinson wrote: Don't know if anyone's got time to offer me a lil' assistance...? working on a new project, Funkdub, at the moment. Would welcome any insight as to why WordPress is screwing up my CSS/XHTML pages in Mozilla etc: http://www.funkdub.info/wp/ This will do: /div br style=clear: both / !-- End Menu --/div That is: you need a clearer at the bottom to make Moz expand the container and its background. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
yeah it works on my slave machine running sp1, but I tend not to have that connected, as it will just get eaten by the web (yours is still alive?). it looks like it is a sp2 IE thing stripping the headers out. amongst other things. this in itself is an example of a browser/OS affecting accessibility. I honestly liked IE for a while there, and I know most of my clients use it so its important that we all have to still pander to the dreaded MS. Cheers All. Will post a workaround when i've made it. Sam --- www.sammyco.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johannes Reiss Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 02:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX? I have IE 6.02 too, but still SP 1 and all is ok! greetings, johannes - Original Message - From: Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX? From: Sam Hutchinson W3C validation - pages validate when I run the URL through the validator, but for some reason my pages and Logo's linking to http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer has stopped working in IE (6.02) - anyone else seen this, or know of a decent workaround?!?! I'll have a stab in the dark and say that it's probably a Windows XP Service Pack 2 issue - either a new security setting in IE, or something that the built-in firewall is now blocking. I've also had a similar scenario after installing Norton Internet Security (which strips referer headers before they're sent out), but that would normally affect all browsers, not just IE. If at all possible, a fix would be to use a server-side language to explicitly write out the current document's URL in the link. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
From: Sam Hutchinson this in itself is an example of a browser/OS affecting accessibility. Actually, it's a good example of something else: don't rely on any outside data that's not under your direct control. Having a system that purely relies on referers, and breaks down when they're not available, is not very flexible. In terms of accessibility, it's a prime example of what not to do (relying on referers, not the blocking of them), as you can't guarantee that they'll be present at all...similar to not relying on javascript etc. Cheers All. Will post a workaround when i've made it. Short of changing the security settings of your machine, there's not much you can do I think (hope, as it's been implemented for a reason, and it would be ridiculous if web developers could simply override it). Again, the best way is to use a server-side language and write out the URL of the current page dynamically on the validation link's href. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
so I shouldn't use the W3C referer code to check my website validity? should I be using individual URL strings to validate? What about my dynamically created pages? I don't want to edit each individual page in my site just to add a validity link checker? Again, the best way is to use a server-side language and write out the URL of the current page dynamically on the validation link's href. Anyone out there doing this? I'd like to have a look at the code in order to implement it. Sam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 04:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX? From: Sam Hutchinson this in itself is an example of a browser/OS affecting accessibility. Actually, it's a good example of something else: don't rely on any outside data that's not under your direct control. Having a system that purely relies on referers, and breaks down when they're not available, is not very flexible. In terms of accessibility, it's a prime example of what not to do (relying on referers, not the blocking of them), as you can't guarantee that they'll be present at all...similar to not relying on javascript etc. Cheers All. Will post a workaround when i've made it. Short of changing the security settings of your machine, there's not much you can do I think (hope, as it's been implemented for a reason, and it would be ridiculous if web developers could simply override it). Again, the best way is to use a server-side language and write out the URL of the current page dynamically on the validation link's href. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard
Someone can told me why using charset if we have to write in our page this kind of code #233; for the accent ? I understand that the charset give the opportunity depend the langage browser to display page correctly but It doesn't give the server the opportunity to display the page the right way. Sometimes, it seems that computer science is still at the stone age. It feel me upset that each time I have to introduce a text I have to format it. I understand that we can give command to the server to display the text the right way but we don't have always this possibility. What can we do for keeping our accent in our HTML page? and if I am wrong can someone told why I can not see my accent on my page when I use UTF-8 charset ? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
Sam Hutchinson wrote: yeah it works on my slave machine running sp1, but I tend not to have that connected, as it will just get eaten by the web (yours is still alive?). Besides avoiding using IE, having a good firewall helps. Personally, I've been happy with Sygate. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
At the risk of, once again, going off topic (which this whole thread probably already is)... From: Sam Hutchinson Anyone out there doing this? I'd like to have a look at the code in order to implement it. To use PHP as an example a href=http://validator.w3.org/check?amp;uri=?php echo $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$_SERVER['REQUEST_URI']?.../a Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard
Hi Berry, Here is an example of a UTF-8 page with non-escaped French characters: http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=18BF64A8-DF0A-473E-8402-50E9E917E0C1 Are you able to see them in your browser? Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Standards-compliant XHTML WYSIWYG editor - Original Message - From: berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard Someone can told me why using charset if we have to write in our page this kind of code #233; for the accent ? I understand that the charset give the opportunity depend the langage browser to display page correctly but It doesn't give the server the opportunity to display the page the right way. Sometimes, it seems that computer science is still at the stone age. It feel me upset that each time I have to introduce a text I have to format it. I understand that we can give command to the server to display the text the right way but we don't have always this possibility. What can we do for keeping our accent in our HTML page? and if I am wrong can someone told why I can not see my accent on my page when I use UTF-8 charset ? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Peter Firminger wrote: Definition lists are entirely appropriate for any name/value set and are quite different to other (ordered and unordered) lists. A div is far less semantically appropriate IMHO. I tend to agree, though sometimes it seems like lists are becoming the new tables. Before a debate breaks out over that statement (though I suppose a discussion would be ok), I am well aware of the semantic value which lists add and that appearances can be deceiving. h2News/h2 dl id=news!-- id only needed if you need to style this differently to other DLs -- dtArticle 1 name/dt ddemdate/em/dd dd particle 1 content/p particle 1 content/p /dd /dl Then you will have granular control over the style of the decendants of the #news DL element so you could style (for example) the p element to have no top-margin and sit up under the date. Which is why I think that dd class=datedate/dd would be better. Now, for example, you can have the date before the name while keeping it following the name in the source. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard
Yes I am able to see it in my browser maybe the server is set to render the accent, if not how come I am not able to see the same thing with my page? I would be surprise, if we have to use XHTML to have accent ? My Page use HTML4.1 strict. Thanks in advance Berry Hi Berry, Here is an example of a UTF-8 page with non-escaped French characters: http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=18BF64A8-DF0A-473E-8402-50E9E917E0C1 Are you able to see them in your browser? Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Standards-compliant XHTML WYSIWYG editor - Original Message - From: berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:57 AM Subject: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard Someone can told me why using charset if we have to write in our page this kind of code #233; for the accent ? I understand that the charset give the opportunity depend the langage browser to display page correctly but It doesn't give the server the opportunity to display the page the right way. Sometimes, it seems that computer science is still at the stone age. It feel me upset that each time I have to introduce a text I have to format it. I understand that we can give command to the server to display the text the right way but we don't have always this possibility. What can we do for keeping our accent in our HTML page? and if I am wrong can someone told why I can not see my accent on my page when I use UTF-8 charset ? Thanks in advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Best Wishes, Which is why I think that dd class=datedate/dd would be better. Now, for example, you can have the date before the name while keeping it following the name in the source. As I started this thread I'm unsure how or why this is necessary, would you elaborate? Please reply off -list if this inciting some circular diatribe. C On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Mordechai Peller wrote: Peter Firminger wrote: Definition lists are entirely appropriate for any name/value set and are quite different to other (ordered and unordered) lists. A div is far less semantically appropriate IMHO. I tend to agree, though sometimes it seems like lists are becoming the new tables. Before a debate breaks out over that statement (though I suppose a discussion would be ok), I am well aware of the semantic value which lists add and that appearances can be deceiving. h2News/h2 dl id=news!-- id only needed if you need to style this differently to other DLs -- dtArticle 1 name/dt ddemdate/em/dd dd particle 1 content/p particle 1 content/p /dd /dl Then you will have granular control over the style of the decendants of the #news DL element so you could style (for example) the p element to have no top-margin and sit up under the date. ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE frustrations...
Hello all, No one should ever have to ask these sorts of questions..but due to the pantsness of IE i have no choice http://dontcom.com You may notice that the right nav drops down to the bottom of the document in IE. I've been looking at the CSS for WAY too long so its all starting to look the same...and thus i cant find the offending bit of CSS. Any help you may have would be greatly greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Darren http://webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/ http://dontcom.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] contacting list members
I hope this isn't too off topic. I looked at the main web site to see if there was a way to contact members. I was interested in getting some information from people in different countries about the standards environment where they live. I found that there were four people on the list from France, 21 in Spain, 7 in Romania, ... but no way of finding out who they are. Is there an appropriate way to say hello to someone and ask them a question? I realize the importance of privacy and not wanting the spambots to grab our e-mail addresses. But I'm wondering if there is a more specific list somewhere? Sorry again for any off-topic posting. Thanks Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Peter Firminger wrote: ddemdate/em/dd Mordechai Peller said: Which is why I think that dd class=datedate/dd would be better. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:49:53 -0800, Chris Kennon wrote: As I started this thread I'm unsure how or why this is necessary, would you elaborate? Mordechai (if I can presume to speak for him!) is suggesting that putting an em tag entirely around a block level element (the dd) is not very semantic and a class on the containing dd is more so. I'm inclined to agree. While divlorem ipsum dolor emsit amet/em consectetur/div would appear to have meaning divemlorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/em/div would appear a little redundant. div class=somethinglorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/div is better. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Lea de Groot wrote: Mordechai (if I can presume to speak for him!) is suggesting that putting an em tag entirely around a block level element (the dd) is not very semantic and a class on the containing dd is more so. I'm inclined to agree. While divlorem ipsum dolor emsit amet/em consectetur/div would appear to have meaning divemlorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/em/div would appear a little redundant. div class=somethinglorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/div is better. Another interpretation (that I assumed when I first read M's post) is that it seems contrary to semantics to have date emphasised. If the em is only used for visual styling, it should be replaced by pure styling markup (such as adding a class instead). If something truly is an emphasis, it's not redundant to mark it up as such even if it emcompasses the entirety of the parent element's content. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Hi D*** you guys are good. When I grow up, I'm 38, I want to be just like you ;) Thanks, I understand. On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 01:15 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: Peter Firminger wrote: ddemdate/em/dd Mordechai Peller said: Which is why I think that dd class=datedate/dd would be better. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:49:53 -0800, Chris Kennon wrote: As I started this thread I'm unsure how or why this is necessary, would you elaborate? Mordechai (if I can presume to speak for him!) is suggesting that putting an em tag entirely around a block level element (the dd) is not very semantic and a class on the containing dd is more so. I'm inclined to agree. While divlorem ipsum dolor emsit amet/em consectetur/div would appear to have meaning divemlorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/em/div would appear a little redundant. div class=somethinglorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/div is better. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Two Times, one for you. D*** you guys are good. When I grow up, I'm 38, I want to be just like you ;) Thanks, I understand. So the following is semantic nirvana? dl id=news dtArticle Title/dt dd class=date28November2004/dd dd id=article pullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat./p pullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat./p /dd /dl C On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 01:30 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Lea de Groot wrote: Mordechai (if I can presume to speak for him!) is suggesting that putting an em tag entirely around a block level element (the dd) is not very semantic and a class on the containing dd is more so. I'm inclined to agree. While divlorem ipsum dolor emsit amet/em consectetur/div would appear to have meaning divemlorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/em/div would appear a little redundant. div class=somethinglorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/div is better. Another interpretation (that I assumed when I first read M's post) is that it seems contrary to semantics to have date emphasised. If the em is only used for visual styling, it should be replaced by pure styling markup (such as adding a class instead). If something truly is an emphasis, it's not redundant to mark it up as such even if it emcompasses the entirety of the parent element's content. -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
I think div class=something to add emphasis is incorrect. The div is in fact the redundant element in the given example. We may as well do p class=header. I do feel slightly unsettled using dl as a catch-all for anything vaguely resembling a key value pair, but can't really articulate that in an intelligent manner it just feels wrong somehow. While we can argue that the date, author and article name may well be a list of meta-data for a news article the content is not... the article is the data. I think the concept of a news article is a well established one that doesn't need to be abstracted to such degree in markup. It's unneccessarily pedantic IMHO. Terrence Wood. On 2004-11-30 10:15 AM, Lea de Groot wrote: While divlorem ipsum dolor emsit amet/em consectetur/div would appear to have meaning divemlorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/em/div would appear a little redundant. div class=somethinglorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/div is better. Lea -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE frustrations...
Hi Darren Your #container margin-right is -250 but this doesn't allow enough for the width and padding of your #sidebar (200px + 40px). With a margin-right of -250px you will only be able to have padding of 12px on each side of the sidebar. Increasing the margin-right to -280px will solve the problem. Cheers Peter --- http://www.wasabicube.com Darren Wood wrote: Hello all, No one should ever have to ask these sorts of questions..but due to the pantsness of IE i have no choice http://dontcom.com You may notice that the right nav drops down to the bottom of the document in IE. I've been looking at the CSS for WAY too long so its all starting to look the same...and thus i cant find the offending bit of CSS. Any help you may have would be greatly greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Darren http://webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/ http://dontcom.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Well, Should I use in-line xml and change the dtd? Or is this fast becoming an RSS issue? example: news headLine lorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetu/headLine byLineSam I Am/byLine date76Juvember2207/date article plorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetu/p plorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetu/p plorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetu/p plorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetu/p /article /news On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 01:58 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: I think div class=something to add emphasis is incorrect. The div is in fact the redundant element in the given example. We may as well do p class=header. I do feel slightly unsettled using dl as a catch-all for anything vaguely resembling a key value pair, but can't really articulate that in an intelligent manner it just feels wrong somehow. While we can argue that the date, author and article name may well be a list of meta-data for a news article the content is not... the article is the data. I think the concept of a news article is a well established one that doesn't need to be abstracted to such degree in markup. It's unneccessarily pedantic IMHO. Terrence Wood. On 2004-11-30 10:15 AM, Lea de Groot wrote: While divlorem ipsum dolor emsit amet/em consectetur/div would appear to have meaning divemlorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/em/div would appear a little redundant. div class=somethinglorem ipsum dolor sit amet consectetur/div is better. Lea -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE frustrations...
Of course what I've written sounds daft (did I get enough sleep last night?) - You have to consider the padding in the #content div as well. The combined width of the #content and #sidebar padding, plus the width of the #sidebar must be less than the margin allowed. Cheers Peter --- http://www.wasabicube.com Peter Asquith wrote: Hi Darren Your #container margin-right is -250 but this doesn't allow enough for the width and padding of your #sidebar (200px + 40px). With a margin-right of -250px you will only be able to have padding of 12px on each side of the sidebar. Increasing the margin-right to -280px will solve the problem. Cheers Peter --- http://www.wasabicube.com Darren Wood wrote: Hello all, No one should ever have to ask these sorts of questions..but due to the pantsness of IE i have no choice http://dontcom.com You may notice that the right nav drops down to the bottom of the document in IE. I've been looking at the CSS for WAY too long so its all starting to look the same...and thus i cant find the offending bit of CSS. Any help you may have would be greatly greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Darren http://webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/ http://dontcom.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE frustrations...
Hi,
I would solve it like this, see:
http://cb2web.com/tests/dontcom/
Briefly, wrapped both content and sidebar divs with something like
#col {
margin:0;
padding:0;
}
... moved the container div up and, I think this was the most important,
changed the order of the sidebar and content divs. Anyway, see source of the
test pages above for further details...
HTH
Carlos
http://carlos.cb2web.com
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Subject: [WSG] IE frustrations...
Hello all,
No one should ever have to ask these sorts of questions..but due to the
pantsness of IE i have no choice
http://dontcom.com
You may notice that the right nav drops down to the bottom of the
document in IE. I've been looking at the CSS for WAY too long so its
all starting to look the same...and thus i cant find the offending bit
of CSS.
Any help you may have would be greatly greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Darren
http://webdeveloper.co.nz/forum/
http://dontcom.com/
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Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
On 29 nov 2004, at 22.58, Terrence Wood wrote: While we can argue that the date, author and article name may well be a list of meta-data for a news article the content is not... the article is the data. I think the concept of a news article is a well established one that doesn't need to be abstracted to such degree in markup. It's unneccessarily pedantic IMHO. For the full article, I agree. But what about a sidebar that shows excerpts from several news articles, along with their title, date, and a link to the full article? Wouldn't that be an appropriate use of a definition list? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Another interpretation (that I assumed when I first read M's post) is
that
it seems contrary to semantics to have date emphasised. If the em is only
used for visual styling, it should be replaced by pure styling markup
(such
as adding a class instead).
If something truly is an emphasis, it's not redundant to mark it up as
such
even if it emcompasses the entirety of the parent element's content.
While both Lea and Patrick missed part of that I was saying, Patrick is
essentially correct about what he did comment on. In this regard, yes,
emphasizing a stand alone date seems meaningless. The same effect should
be done through
That part which both of you missed (or possibly just ignored) was the
class assignment. By giving the date dd a class you can easily style
it. For example: .date {font-style:italics; stress:60;} (I'm guessing
about the aural property. I'm not sure if that's the correct property,
or if the value is correct, but I think so.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/aural.html#propdef-stress)
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Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Terrence Wood wrote: I do feel slightly unsettled using dl as a catch-all for anything vaguely resembling a key value pair, but can't really articulate that in an intelligent manner it just feels wrong somehow. My thoughts exactly. Here's the way I'm starting to think about it though: I think there's a structural difference between a series of headings+paragraphs and a definition list of headings+paragraphs. Both methods can look the same, and as both contain headings and paragraphs they can be the same for disabled users, so this is a only question of the intended use of the tags. Intended use of dldtddh1p is decided in 1) the spec and 2) W3C public reaction over the years [in that we could assume that as the W3C haven't spoken up about headings in definitions lists as being proper... and not corrected their own software such as Amaya or Tidy to generate code this way, that we've had it right all along]. The spec http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/lists.html says defintion lists are generally for term/definition pairs, and the example code marks up what are clearly headings using strong tags. Ugh. The spec has an example of multiple dts directly following each other (because the thing they're defining has multiple terms) and then multiple definitions. It's also said in the spec that another application of DL is for marking up dialogues, with each DT naming a speaker, and each DD containing his or her words.. Here's there's no definition or 'key/value', it's just a label and a some associated content. As far as the W3C public reaction goes I don't think the W3C has ever asked people to do headings using dl. This isn't to say that it's inappropriate, but that it's unnecessary. In summary, It seems to me that dldtdd is unnecessary and a poor substitute for XHTML 2.0's section tag. In the meantime I'd probably use div class=section and nest it deeply. Anyway, that's my thought process. .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Chris Kennon wrote: Should I use in-line xml and change the dtd? Or is this fast becoming an RSS issue? OK, RSS is also a standard, so it's still on topic. Now let's say that you use XSLT to transform it into XHTML: What mark-up should you use? This question basically brings us back to where this thread started. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] section tag
What is the section tag? How would it be used? Ted You said: In summary, It seems to me that dldtdd is unnecessary and a poor substitute for XHTML 2.0's section tag. In the meantime I'd probably use div class=section and nest it deeply. Anyway, that's my thought process. .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/
RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
Hi, yeah it works on my slave machine running sp1, but I tend not to have that connected, as it will just get eaten by the web (yours is still alive?). it The web never ate my machine pre SP2. Maybe I am more careful about where I browse. looks like it is a sp2 IE thing stripping the headers out. amongst other things. this in itself is an example of a browser/OS affecting accessibility. I have IE 6.02 on WinXP SP2 and it all works fine for me so please don't jump to conclusions blaming Microsoft. I suggest that it is a Norton AntiVirus or Norton Personal Firewall problem (explicit but educated stab in the dark). If you are indeed running any of the Symantec suite of products (lets call them CodeBreakers), shut them down for a minute, reload the page and try the referrer link again. If that doesn't work, keep looking (proxy server etc.), it ain't SP2 or I would have the same problem. P ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
yes, it is appropriate for a list of articles (but again, not the article itself)... I think we're in agreement on that. Terrence Wood. On 2004-11-30 11:34 AM, Roger Johansson wrote: On 29 nov 2004, at 22.58, Terrence Wood wrote: While we can argue that the date, author and article name may well be a list of meta-data for a news article the content is not... the article is the data. I think the concept of a news article is a well established one that doesn't need to be abstracted to such degree in markup. It's unneccessarily pedantic IMHO. For the full article, I agree. But what about a sidebar that shows excerpts from several news articles, along with their title, date, and a link to the full article? Wouldn't that be an appropriate use of a definition list? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?
Hi All - I've actually come across this before as well. But for my machine, this error only happens when trying to validate pages sitting on my hard-drive. The link is for the form that checks online pages. Upload your page to a server and try again :o) You can get heaps of bookmarklets that will help you validate your page while in development. These access the W3C's Validate by Upload form. Hope this helps :o) Richard ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] section tag
Ted Drake wrote:
What is the section tag? How would it be used?
See this intro to XHTML2,
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-xhtml/
In part it means you don't need h1 h2 h3 anymore, you just have
h and you derive the heading level by the number of sections it's
within. It removes the arbitrary h6 as the smallest heading you can
do, and it's also how Docbook does it.
Using sections and h tags also means you get more structure for CSS
selectors, and other XML processing tools. To match paragraphs under
headings 3 sections deep you'd type,
section section section p { font-size:xx-small ; }
Or to make different sized headings based on their depth you'd write,
section h { font-size:large; }
section section h { font-size:medium; }
section section section h { font-size:small; }
[I'm not commenting on whether XHTML 2 will be popular, but that's one
idea behind it]
.Matthew Cruickshank
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Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Hi, So I should simply use the traditional hnblah/hn pblah/p mark-up for my purposes? On Monday, November 29, 2004, at 03:03 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: yes, it is appropriate for a list of articles (but again, not the article itself)... I think we're in agreement on that. Terrence Wood. On 2004-11-30 11:34 AM, Roger Johansson wrote: On 29 nov 2004, at 22.58, Terrence Wood wrote: While we can argue that the date, author and article name may well be a list of meta-data for a news article the content is not... the article is the data. I think the concept of a news article is a well established one that doesn't need to be abstracted to such degree in markup. It's unneccessarily pedantic IMHO. For the full article, I agree. But what about a sidebar that shows excerpts from several news articles, along with their title, date, and a link to the full article? Wouldn't that be an appropriate use of a definition list? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ___ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
G'day So I should simply use the traditional hnblah/hn pblah/p mark-up for my purposes? To my thinking, if there's a collection (list) of articles, each with a caption or title and a summary paragraph, using a (definition) list makes sense, as it allows you to group related items (a bunch of news items). If there's only ever going to be one news item (e.g. you just want to show the latest news), I'd stick with the traditional heading and paragraph(s). Is a list with one item really a list? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Hi, Is a list with one item really a list? Yes absolutely. If there is one person in a room and you are asked to list the names of the people in the room then the list will have one name. P ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Bert Doorn wrote: To my thinking, if there's a collection (list) of articles, each with a caption or title and a summary paragraph, using a (definition) list makes sense, as it allows you to group related items (a bunch of news items). Well visually they're the same. So we are just talking about tags. What you say as makes sense is not expressed in the W3C standards, and the W3C haven't (to my knowledge) corrected anyone. Which is not to say that you're wrong, but that it's ambiguous, so there's no reasoned choice to be made here. The XHTML 1.0 spec allows paragraphs after headings without a container element, with an implied association, just like html 1.0. A list is allows paragraphs and headings within it, just like div tags, and tables. So many ways of grouping related items are correct, and without further information on the differences we're just guessing. By all means though if one looks better or suits a personal preference then just use it, but it's not like we can draw any best practices from this. .Matthew Crucikshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
Hi,
Difficult as it is to believe, this is not a troll. I left the web industry
a few years ago and only started getting back into it now. When I left, IE 5
had just been released and Netscape was starting to get into trouble. Now,
it's IE 6 which is looking more and more like the dinosaur, if all the
reports can be believed.
Now, I agree completely about the security risks. That alone is worth
dumping the browser for. Yet, I want to find out how exactly is IE falling
short of the DOM specs for e.g. Apart from some pet complaints about PNG
support, div border width calculation and default styles (which actually is
different for almost all browsers 'cos I believe no standards ever defined
what the browser defaults should be), I have not been able to find a list of
items that IE falls short of. It would be really educational if there's one
out there.
I had also been scouring the Mozilla web site and I just can't seem to find
a statement that says Firefox is compatible with DOM Level 2, CSS level 2
etc. Is there a checklist that the Mozilla developers tick off and say ok,
check 'getElementsByTagName' for Firefox? Reason for asking this is that
I'd been reading up on the W3C specs and even if I understand them, I'm
still wondering how much of them have been implemented in the current
browsers.
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations ('cos the
banking sites are typically tailored for IE and don't work for any other
browsers, even those running on JSP!!!) I'm convinced that FF is the better
browser, I'm just not able to qualify my preference :) Can somebody point me
as to how?
Thanks for any answers!
Wong
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RE: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
G'day again Peter Yes absolutely. If there is one person in a room and you are asked to list the names of the people in the room then the list will have one name. Just to clarify my point. I did not mean to ask whether it is possible to call a list of one item a list. More a question of why would you call it a list and in HTML terms, why use the extra element. If we take this further, we might as well make every section in a html document (heading and paragraphs below it) a definition list and forget about headings and paragraphs. In fact, why not just make everything a div, span or object, so it all becomes very generic. (No, I'm not advocating that approach) So many ways of grouping related items are correct, and without further information on the differences we're just guessing. By all means though if one looks better or suits a personal preference then just use it, but it's not like we can draw any best practices from this. Sure, it's personal preference, just like using tables nested n levels deep, often replacing a single paragraph with a complex table (no, I don't advocate that either). I'm sure we've all seen examples of this (ab)use of tables. Are definition lists in danger of replacing tables for layout? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
Now, I agree completely about the security risks. That alone is worth dumping the browser for. Yet, I want to find out how exactly is IE falling short of the DOM specs for e.g. Apart from some pet complaints about PNG support, div border width calculation and default styles (which actually is different for almost all browsers 'cos I believe no standards ever defined what the browser defaults should be), I have not been able to find a list of items that IE falls short of. It would be really educational if there's one out there. The 'div border width calculation' (by which you probably mean IE's incorrect box model rendering) and default styles are not the main problem as IE6 gets the box model right in standards compliant mode. The biggest problems are probably dealing with the older IE's and IE6's lack of CSS2 support. Craig Saila listed the top 5 things he'd like to change about IE's a while ago that may shed some light on its lack of css support: http://www.saila.com/columns/rants/030523.shtml - min-width and max-width - the child, adjacent sibling, and attribute selectors - the pseudo-elements :before and :after - let pseudo-classes work on all elements, not just the a - and finally, position: fixed If IE6 supported these items, developers could use cleaner, more structurally pure code. And the world would live as one :) Oh, and there are standards for browsers as well, like this sample: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/sample.html Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Bert Doorn wrote: Just to clarify my point. I did not mean to ask whether it is possible to call a list of one item a list. More a question of why would you call it a list and in HTML terms, why use the extra element. If we take this further, we might as well make every section in a html document (heading and paragraphs below it) a definition list and forget about headings and paragraphs. In fact, why not just make everything a div, span or object, so it all becomes very generic. (No, I'm not advocating that approach) sometimes a list is just a list! You would call a list of one item a list if you would call the same group and structure of words a list if it contained more than one item. See, even the act of assuming it's an item gives credence to it being a list. So many ways of grouping related items are correct, and without further information on the differences we're just guessing. By all means though if one looks better or suits a personal preference then just use it, but it's not like we can draw any best practices from this. Sure, it's personal preference, just like using tables nested n levels deep, often replacing a single paragraph with a complex table (no, I don't advocate that either). I'm sure we've all seen examples of this (ab)use of tables. Are definition lists in danger of replacing tables for layout? well, possibly they are - see Terry's earlier post. But even if they are, it in no way means that *in every situation* it's personal preference as to what is semantically best. That's what's called a slippery slope argument - just because you can find some examples where things aren't clear-cut, doesn't mean every case isn't clear cut. Again, sometimes a list is a list and a list is the right thing. Regards Mike Brown SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:14:20 +1300, Matthew wrote: What you say as makes sense is not expressed in the W3C standards, and the W3C haven't (to my knowledge) corrected anyone. I'm not sure that we should use the information that 'the W3C hasn't corrected anyone on this' as confirming evidence - to my knowledge they have never corrected anyone on anything. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Peter Firminger wrote: Is a list with one item really a list? Yes absolutely. If there is one person in a room and you are asked to list the names of the people in the room then the list will have one name. Your example work because there's an unknown number. In cases where there's only one item without the possibility of more, then a list of one makes no sense. A dl might sometimes be an exception because of the relationship aspect. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
kkk!! Are you saying that expressions in CSS don't work with IE6 SP2??? And, What does H.S. mean? (no punctuation was seriously hurt in the creation ofthis email =) ) Terrence Wood. On 2004-11-30 3:49 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Personally, I'd like to see max/min width/height implemented, so I didn't have to use non-standard code-- IE-expressions or regular javascript. This is a must for controlling fluid designs, but Microsoft shut out even their own alternatives with the new SP2 and H.S.. Nice move... The rest is not all that important to me-- at the moment, as I can always find a way around it, or leave it out. However, as I have to leave more and more out because the good browsers can follow up on more and more for each version they launch, while IE6 isn't upgraded at all (just patched a bit), the gap grows wider and wider between what can be done and what most visitors get to see. Georg -- You know you've achieved perfection in design, not when you have nothing more to add, but when you have nothing more to take away. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] display image problem
Hi, this is the first time here so I hope i do thinks right. I have as part of a student group written a website for the school i work at. I'm using IE6 and the site displays images in 800 by 600 fine but in 1024 by 768 the image displays a bit to the left until i hit refresh and then its alright. I have no idea why. Please help. Its got quite a few pages so i'll put a copy of one page and the css in this email.Both the page and css are validated xhtml 1.0 transitional. the page. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; head titleMiddle School/title link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=../rules.css / meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 / meta name=author content=Michael Tsakrios, Greg Harrington, Debbie Gale / meta name=keywords= content=Gray Primary School / meta name=description content=Gray Primary School / meta name=robots content=noindex, nofollow / /head body div id=container div id=header img height=123 alt=School Bannner src=../images/banner.gif width=100% / /div div id=navbar div id=menu div class=sitemenu onmouseover=this.className='display' onmouseout=this.className='sitemenu' a class=sl href=../index.htmlHome/a /div div class=sitemenu onmouseover=this.className='display' onmouseout=this.className='sitemenu' a class=sl href=../aboutus.htmlAbout Us/a div class=submenu a class=sl href=../aboutus/introduction.htmlIntroduction/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/vision.htmlSchool Vision/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/enrolment.htmlEnrolment/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/handbook.htmlParents Handbook/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/policies.htmlPolicies/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/council.htmlSchool Council/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/asspa.htmlASSPA/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/description.htmlDescription of School/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/history.htmlHistory and School/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/staff.htmlStaff List/a a class=sl href=../documents/canteen_menu.doc target=_blankCanteen Menu/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/assemblies.htmlAssemblies/a a class=sl href=../aboutus/awards.htmlAwards/a /div /div div class=sitemenu onmouseover=this.className='display' onmouseout=this.className='sitemenu' a class=sl href=../curriculum.htmlCurriculum Initiatives/a div class=submenu a class=sl href=earlylearn.htmlEarly Learning Centre/a a class=sl href=yr1to3.htmlJunior School/a a class=sl href=middle.htmlMiddle School/a a class=sl href=literacy.htmlLiteracy/a a class=sl href=numeracy.htmlNumeracy/a a class=sl href=cpa.htmlCPA/a a class=sl href=boys_ed.htmlBoys In Education/a a class=sl href=sport.htmlSports and Camp Program/a a class=sl href=breakfast_prog.htmlBreakfast Program/a a class=sl href=itc.htmlICT/a a class=sl href=indigenous.htmlIndigenous Programs/a a class=sl href=homework.htmlHomework Centre/a /div /div div class=sitemenu onmouseover=this.className='display' onmouseout=this.className='sitemenu' a class=sl href=../events.htmlCalendar amp; Events/a div class=submenu a class=sl href=../calender/calendar.htmlCalendar/a a class=sl href=../calender/event.htmlEvents/a /div /div div class=sitemenu onmouseover=this.className='display'
Re: [WSG] Defining A Definition List
Lea de Groot wrote: I'm not sure that we should use the information that 'the W3C hasn't corrected anyone on this' as confirming evidence - to my knowledge they have never corrected anyone on anything. True, they don't usually name names. They have to be diplomatic but they occasionally talk about specific products. Eg, Which browsers accept the media type application/xhtml+xml? Browsers known to us include all Mozilla-based browsers, such as Mozilla, Netscape 5 and higher, Galeon and Firefox, as well as Opera, Amaya, Camino, Chimera, DocZilla, iCab, Safari, and all browsers on mobile phones that accept WAP2. In fact, any modern browser. [...] Does Microsoft Internet Explorer accept the media type application/xhtml+xml? No. [...] On http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/Forum/ they point out incorrect implementations. But yeah, they usually talk in abstract about common mistakes, Eg, http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/ .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/
[WSG] Sydney WSG's end of year drinks and Firefox birthday bash
WSG Sydney is holding our end of year drinks, and have decided to combine it with a Firefox birthday bash. What: WSG end of year drinks and Firefox birthday bash Where: Opera Bar http://www.operabar.com.au/htmlfiles/index.html When: Friday 10 December Time: 6.30pm Cost: free, pay for your own drinks RSVP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apparently the Opera Bar has a range of good food for those who feel the urge to eat. And yes, it is ironic that we will be holding the Firefox event at a bar called Opera. :) Amit Karmakar will be running the Firefox birthday aspect of the meeting as well as officially blogging the event. As always, stuff will be posted 3 mins after the event here: http://www.karmakars.com/weblog/ Look forward to seeing you if you can make it! Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] contacting list members
On 11/29/04 12:15 PM Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I looked at the main web site to see if there was a way to contact members. I was interested in getting some information from people in different countries about the standards environment where they live. I found that there were four people on the list from France, 21 in Spain, 7 in Romania, ... but no way of finding out who they are. I wouldn't think it would be so terrible to just ask on the list - for example Anybody from Spain on the list could you tell us about the standards environment in Spain? Sure seems related to web standards, but I could be wrong. :-) Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
Terrence Wood wrote: kkk!! Are you saying that expressions in CSS don't work with IE6 SP2??? And, What does H.S. mean? Reports indicate that IE-expressions on my pages fall short in IE6, 5.5, 5.0 in XP-SP2 with High Security setting. H.S. = High Security. I can't test this, as I don't use XP. I'm on win2K-pro and experience no problems. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Help with a layout
Hi everyone, I am new to XHTML/CSS, and I am just working on my first layout, I need some advice regarding a couple of things, I wondered if anyone can help. I am sure that these are very simple things that have been covered before, but I just need pointing in the right direction. The layout that I am working on is 3 column with a header and footer, liquid (the centre column can change size, the total width of the page is 83%). The whole layout has a drop shadow (visible on the right and bottom). I got snippets of code from various different places and pieced them all together, and I fell like I am getting there (slowly!). I may have been excessive (too many divs and containers), so don't be too alarmed!... Here is the layout: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Template-Long-Centre.html I am using 3 images: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Permanant-Images/Drop-Shadows/HeaderDropShadow.jpg Top right edge of the drop shadow. http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Permanant-Images/Drop-Shadows/RightDropShadow.jpg Right edge of the drop shadow, as well as the shading and line which defines the columns (the background of the main content area). http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Permanant-Images/Drop-Shadows/FooterDropShadow.jpg Footer drop shadow, providing the right bottom corner and bottom edge of the drop shadow. My problems are: 1. If I add content to the left or right columns, the footer doesn't push down, and the content overlaps - the layout breaks. I would like for all 3 columns to be the same height, no matter which one has more or less content. e.g.: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Template-Long-Left.html http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Template-Long-Right.html 2. In IE5.2 for Mac OS X, the div for the navigation bar does not sit properly against the header and main content divs - this only seems to be an issue on this platform. I have tested in Win: Opera, IE, and FF, and Mac OS X Safari and IE - the only real issue out of all of these browsers appears to be IE for Mac, mentioned above. Please note, I am aware that the drop shadow images are jpegs, I may use PNGs for alpha transparency later on, though I don't have the need to at the moment as I am not using a background image as such (just a solid colour). Kind regards, Matt ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a layout
Sorry, Here is the screen shot of IE Mac: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Mac-IE-screenshot.gif You can view all of the files here: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/ Cheers, Matt On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:05:49 +1100, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I am new to XHTML/CSS, and I am just working on my first layout, I need some advice regarding a couple of things, I wondered if anyone can help. I am sure that these are very simple things that have been covered before, but I just need pointing in the right direction. The layout that I am working on is 3 column with a header and footer, liquid (the centre column can change size, the total width of the page is 83%). The whole layout has a drop shadow (visible on the right and bottom). I got snippets of code from various different places and pieced them all together, and I fell like I am getting there (slowly!). I may have been excessive (too many divs and containers), so don't be too alarmed!... Here is the layout: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Template-Long-Centre.html I am using 3 images: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Permanant-Images/Drop-Shadows/HeaderDropShadow.jpg Top right edge of the drop shadow. http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Permanant-Images/Drop-Shadows/RightDropShadow.jpg Right edge of the drop shadow, as well as the shading and line which defines the columns (the background of the main content area). http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Permanant-Images/Drop-Shadows/FooterDropShadow.jpg Footer drop shadow, providing the right bottom corner and bottom edge of the drop shadow. My problems are: 1. If I add content to the left or right columns, the footer doesn't push down, and the content overlaps - the layout breaks. I would like for all 3 columns to be the same height, no matter which one has more or less content. e.g.: http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Template-Long-Left.html http://220.233.11.63/Misc/dev/Template-Long-Right.html 2. In IE5.2 for Mac OS X, the div for the navigation bar does not sit properly against the header and main content divs - this only seems to be an issue on this platform. I have tested in Win: Opera, IE, and FF, and Mac OS X Safari and IE - the only real issue out of all of these browsers appears to be IE for Mac, mentioned above. Please note, I am aware that the drop shadow images are jpegs, I may use PNGs for alpha transparency later on, though I don't have the need to at the moment as I am not using a background image as such (just a solid colour). Kind regards, Matt ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
That was the case but I use Firefox (and Safari) with no problems with
my bank here in Australia (Westpac)
Regards PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations
('cos the banking sites are typically tailored for IE
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Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
BTW to add to Paul, I've found that Commonwealth Bank, ING Direct, and
Members Equity's netbank services all work fine in Firefox
Neerav
Paul Ross wrote:
That was the case but I use Firefox (and Safari) with no problems with
my bank here in Australia (Westpac)
Regards PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations
('cos the banking sites are typically tailored for IE
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[WSG] [Question] W3C Recommendations Level X,Y,Z?
Hi, Got a question about W3C recommendations and drafts. Let's say I'm reading the recommendations for DOM Core Level 1 and 2. Does Level 2 cover Level 1 and its own additions or does it say we only cover the new stuff and whatever we specifically override in Level 1? RTFM Disclaimer: I have briefly read through DOM 1 and 2 and my guess would be Level 2 covers everything that Level 1 covered, any new features and also what's incompatible. Just trying to confirm this, thanks! Thanks Wong ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] [Question] W3C Recommendations Level X,Y,Z?
G'day Got a question about W3C recommendations and drafts. Let's say I'm reading the recommendations for DOM Core Level 1 and 2. Does Level 2 cover Level 1 and its own additions or does it say we only cover the new stuff and whatever we specifically override in Level 1? From http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/#specs : CSS level 3 is under development. It includes all of level 2 and extends it with new selectors, fancy borders and backgrounds, vertical text, user interaction, speech and much more. CSS level 2 revision 1 (CSS 2.1) contains all of CSS level 1 and adds absolutely positioned elements, automatic numbering, page breaks, right to left text and other things. At this moment, February 2004, it is a Candidate W3C Recommendation. CSS level 1 (1996, 1999) contains properties for fonts, margins, colors, etc., that nearly all profiles of CSS need. [Also in PDF] Hope this helps -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8 ,charset and Standard
Finaly I have the answer ! I understand that it is not the uft-8 wich give the ability to render the accent on the screen but the language content. meta http-equiv=Content-Language content=fr which tell the agent to render the accent using the UFT-8 Then Why the validator gives an error for each accent when I use UFT-8? It say that UFT-8 doesn't recognize this kind of character (french character) Thank you in Advance Berry ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
