Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

[BKDesign Solutions]

From: "Bob Schwartz"

OK. I've fixed them all but one and I'm at a loss to how to fix it.

Dreamweaver is complaining that I am using this more than once to  
point to different URL's


Any thoughts?

Bob


Get rid of dreamweaver? ;)

Bruce P
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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

[BKDesign Solutions]

The below sounds like a good way to discourage using this list.

Bruce P
bkdesign
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness


Bob Schwartz wrote:

Lots and lots and lots of emails about his site! There were 6 I just
received  within a 30 min period, another 5 within 30 mins this morning
... :(

Bearing in mind that there's over 2000 people on the list, and that
there's already a lot of list traffic, and that all of these emails are
asking people for help on a site you're building, is it not possible to:

- reply off list to people
- send one big email
- try a little harder to work things out

Whilst we want an environment that's welcoming to people as they learn, do
bear in mind that every email you send goes to everyone on the list, and
maybe just consider if they're all necessary.

Mike
- writing purely in a personal capacity and not as a list core member






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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

[Stuart Foulstone]

Hi,

I think Dreamweaver is complaining about using the same link text to point
to different URLs not the other way round (It is OK to use different link
text to point to the same URL).

In your menu you have:

rss feed

Below you have another link to a different URL
(http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml)
which has an image with replacement link text alt="RSS Feed".

So, without images, one link text is "rss feed" the other "RSS Feed" which
are both the same to a screenreader.

yours,

Stuart




On Wed, March 21, 2007 11:13 am, Bob Schwartz wrote:

> Dreamweaver is complaining that I am using this more than once to
> point to different URL's
>
> http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml";> src="../../as/im/xml.gif" id="xml" alt="RSS Feed" title="FIFe RSS
> feed" width="72" height="15">
>
> The only other use of this URL is in the head:
>
>  href="http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml";>
>
> and on the page where I explain RSS:
>
> http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml";>http://
> www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml    id="xmlfeed" alt="RSS Feed" title="FIFe RSS feed" width="72"
> height="15">
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Bob
>
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-- 
Stuart Foulstone.
http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk
BigEasy Web Design
69 Flockton Court
Rockingham Street
Sheffield
S1 4EB

Tel. 07751 413451


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Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Designer wrote:
However, in this exercise ( a learning one!)  I want the CSS to validate 
- and it won't if you use a MS expression to make IE conform.  Whilst 
this  a learning thing, I do want:


a) everything to validate
b) it to work in all (OK, most :-) ) browsers.  (Not asking much! :-))


That's why I asked if you could find (better) ways to make IE behave.

My expression does not solve the "too short" window problem - in fact it 
makes it worse, IMO.


So here's an exercise for you:
1: Turn that expression into a part of a javascript piece.
- Validity solved.
2: Make the script check what happens on screen - if the browser 
understands CSS and adjust the container into vertical position, or not. 
If _not_ then let the absolute positioning kick in.
- Should work in all (or at least in most) browsers, and should not 
degrade behavior in CSS capable ones.


If a script can compare the height of the window with the height of the 
container, and simply change positioning to 'static' for the container 
when the window is as short as or shorter than the container, then the 
entire container will always be reachable on short windows - same as for 
the CSS capable browsers.


You see... I'm not asking much either - only that you don't disturb CSS 
capable browsers for the sake of "fixing" the weak one(s) :-)


regards
Georg
--
http://www.gunlaug.no


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Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 21 Mar 2007, at 10:52:39, Designer wrote:


David Hucklesby wrote:





However, in this exercise ( a learning one!)  I want the CSS to  
validate - and it won't if you use a MS expression to make IE  
conform.  Whilst this  a learning thing, I do want:


a) everything to validate
b) it to work in all (OK, most :-) ) browsers.  (Not asking much! :-))


Use an IE conditional comment [1] to feed the expression to IE, and  
all shall be well - or, at least, validate :-)


Cheers,

Nick.

[1] 

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Nick Fitzsimons
http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/





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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time

[Bob Schwartz]

Stuart,

Your menu has links with the same anchor text but different  
destinations -

"introduction", "current" and "members".  When you can see the menu
structure the context is obvious but when using a screen reader  
this can

be confusing.


OK. I've fixed them all but one and I'm at a loss to how to fix it.

Dreamweaver is complaining that I am using this more than once to  
point to different URL's


http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml";>src="../../as/im/xml.gif" id="xml" alt="RSS Feed" title="FIFe RSS  
feed" width="72" height="15">


The only other use of this URL is in the head:

href="http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml";>


and on the page where I explain RSS:

http://www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml";>http:// 
www.fifeweb.org/feed/fife.xml   id="xmlfeed" alt="RSS Feed" title="FIFe RSS feed" width="72"  
height="15">


Any thoughts?

Bob


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Re: [WSG] centring and viewport size

[Designer]

David Hucklesby wrote:



However, did you look at Georg's solution he sent Saturday?



For IE, he uses JavaScript (or is it JScript?) in a Microsoft-only
"expression" to position the DIV's top. It seems to solve your problem
nicely, even in IE7, while modern browsers are happy with CSS alone.



Hi David,

Yes, I looked at Georg's approach, and it's very good.

However, in this exercise ( a learning one!)  I want the CSS to validate 
- and it won't if you use a MS expression to make IE conform.  Whilst 
this  a learning thing, I do want:


a) everything to validate
b) it to work in all (OK, most :-) ) browsers.  (Not asking much! :-))

Thanks.

--
Bob

www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk



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Re: [WSG] site check - almost ready for prime time - IE weirdness

[Stuart Foulstone]

Hi,

Since Bob was effectively asking for a peer review of his web design prior
to publication, I would have thought this was an entirely legitimate use
of this forum.

We can all learn new techniques from each other as part of this process,
with the result that we all increase the quality of our Web design and
promote Web standards.

With appologies to those who know it all already. of course.


Stuart



On Wed, March 21, 2007 7:54 am, Mike Brown wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
> Lots and lots and lots of emails about his site! There were 6 I just
> received  within a 30 min period, another 5 within 30 mins this morning
> ... :(
>
> Bearing in mind that there's over 2000 people on the list, and that
> there's already a lot of list traffic, and that all of these emails are
> asking people for help on a site you're building, is it not possible to:
>
> - reply off list to people
> - send one big email
> - try a little harder to work things out
>
> Whilst we want an environment that's welcoming to people as they learn, do
> bear in mind that every email you send goes to everyone on the list, and
> maybe just consider if they're all necessary.
>
> Mike
> - writing purely in a personal capacity and not as a list core member
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-- 
Stuart Foulstone.
http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk
BigEasy Web Design
69 Flockton Court
Rockingham Street
Sheffield
S1 4EB

Tel. 07751 413451


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