RE: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007
You could always open the page in word document and if everything looks fine there it will look fine in outlook 2007 since its using MS Word to render! M. Jama -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stijn Audooren Sent: 07 November 2007 07:12 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007 Return Receipt Your RE: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007 document : was Stijn Audooren/TVH received by: at: 07/11/2007 08:12:00 DISCLAIMER A HREF=http://www.tvh.be/newen/pages/emaildisclaimer.html; http://www.tvh.be/newen/pages/emaildisclaimer.html /A This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Request possible?
Hello Geork. - is there a way that only 2 lines of text are allowed above the small box? The other text should flow automatically around the box. With a spacer-float, yes. See example... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/alien/mv/test_07_1106.html Yes, this is it. Absolutely great. Thanks a lot. IE/win (all versions) need help though, as it mixes up the calculations. Most of IE's problems can be avoided by reorganizing where the margins/paddings go in the layout as a whole. Also, the line-up won't be reliable using fixed dimensions, pixels, since there isn't such a thing as fixed font-sizes/line-heights in web design. Thus, you'll have to modify dimensions to work with relative font-sizes/line-heights if you want to avoid all sorts of breaking and overlapping when such a request gets subjected to the slightest amount of stress across browser-land. Otherwise: no problem. Yes, works great so far in the editor we use here. Cheers, Michael Vogt *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Request possible?
Hello Dave. (Sorry for the late reply. somehow Gmail did not list this thread in the inbox) Thank you for your great suggestions. I am sorry that I was not clearer about the usage of this template. In reallity, I deliver only the HTML inside the div.part4, which in turn wil be made available to editors through an edit interface inside a CMS. So yes, the editor has another template to add h1 and h2 to the complete interface. I think, I might need the div.part4 to set correct margins above and below the template. I presume this is part of a page and is just to demonstrate the layout but there are other issues like no doctype or character set and the your using a heading 3 without 1 or 2 present but I presume this would be corrected in the final page? Yes, I hope so. I don't even know the person who binds the complete site together. Obviously this would also include the inline style that you have for the margin on the body. Agreed. Also you're declaring font-size in pixels but you need to use either em or a percentage value if you want the page to be accessible. Yes, I agree. But I do have problems to push this through the powers that decide what gets to be done. I have a styleguide from a large design agency in germany. At the beginning of this sheet they write that they want the fonts set in pixels... pitty. You might find this useful to convert your sizes http://www.dave-woods.co.uk/?p=79 Yes, thanks. Other than that though, it's a relatively simple layout so should only really need a few div containers and then the relevant heading's applied along with paragraphs of text. Hope that helps. Definitely. Cheers, Michael Vogt *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007
On 7 Nov 2007, at 14:01, Paul Collins wrote: I think the best thing to do is grab a version for XP, I didn't actually know I could add it to that. On 07/11/2007, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/7/07, Mohamed Jama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always open the page in word document and if everything looks fine there it will look fine in outlook 2007 since its using MS Word to render! Problem with that is potential differences between Word HTML rendering 2003 - 2007. I haven't really looked into it but it would stand to reason there may be differences... they stupidly thought it good enough to be the sole renderer for the most widely used email client on the planet, so you'd at least hope it improved... It might be worth downloading the Word 2007 Viewer - it's a free download which allows you to View, print and copy Microsoft Word documents, even if you don't have Microsoft Word installed: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/CD102258581033.aspx Maybe somebody with access to Outlook 2007 can compare the two to see if they are comparable. HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007
Thanks for your replies everyone. I was hoping Browsercam had gotten onto it or a site like that. I think the best thing to do is grab a version for XP, I didn't actually know I could add it to that. Thanks for your help Paul On 07/11/2007, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/7/07, Mohamed Jama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always open the page in word document and if everything looks fine there it will look fine in outlook 2007 since its using MS Word to render! Problem with that is potential differences between Word HTML rendering 2003 - 2007. I haven't really looked into it but it would stand to reason there may be differences... they stupidly thought it good enough to be the sole renderer for the most widely used email client on the planet, so you'd at least hope it improved... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007
On 11/7/07, Mohamed Jama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could always open the page in word document and if everything looks fine there it will look fine in outlook 2007 since its using MS Word to render! Problem with that is potential differences between Word HTML rendering 2003 - 2007. I haven't really looked into it but it would stand to reason there may be differences... they stupidly thought it good enough to be the sole renderer for the most widely used email client on the planet, so you'd at least hope it improved... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007
Paul, You might also check out Campaign Monitor - they have a new service where, for 10 bucks, they'll show you where your email fails to pass spam filters and also gives you screenshots of what it looks like in all the various email programs including Outlook 2007. Enjoy! Tim http://www.timpalac.com/blog/ IM: TymArtist On Nov 6, 2007 11:18 AM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has found a clever way of testing your HTML emails for Outlook 2007? I don't have Vista and can't see myself buying it just yet! I thought there may be some kind of online rendering engine setup by now, but couldn't find anything in a search. Cheers Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Request possible?
Hello Philippe. No problems ? With Fx Mac and Safari 2.04, 3.03beta and the latest WebKit builds, the is a slight overlap: the top part of the floated block is partly covered by the text outside of it. In Gecko the floated block is under that text, in WebKit, the floated block is on top. Depending on your font-size, this is more or less pronounced. (It is a known issue/bug with that kind of trick, btw; the floated block is placed slightly too high in the flow). Thank you for pointing out the problems of the test document. Think this will help later in the implementation. I am aware that I have to do the finetuning. I sure can't expect someone else to do my work. Beeing aware of this trick Georg posted in the first place helps a lot. Cheers, Michael Vogt *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007
Tim Palac wrote: Paul, You might also check out Campaign Monitor - they have a new service where, for 10 bucks, they'll show you where your email fails to pass spam filters and also gives you screenshots of what it looks like in all the various email programs including Outlook 2007. Enjoy! I was going to suggest the same - and they also have free templates that are already tested: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/resources/templates.aspx -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] 3 New Fast Track Tutorials
Hi All, For those who may be interested, I've published three new Fast Track tutorials to the http://frank.helpware.net site: Building Accessible Static Navigation with CSS Calling Accessible Context-Sensitive Help with Unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript * Creating Auto-line Numbered Code Blocks with CSS * * These two tutorials will be presented at the upcoming 2008 WritersUA Annual Conference in March at Portland, Oregon, USA. You can reach them through the Go to the Fast Track Tutorials hyperlink on the home page of the preceding web address. All work is done in the Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Source Code Editors for (X)HTML, CSS and JScript. I've updated and redesigned all tutorials employing the CSS 2.1 Liquid Box Model for layout/presentation, and built fully accessible static navigation for mouse and keyboard into every web page. Each web page illustrates the complete separation of Structure/Content ((X)HTML), Presentation (CSS), and Behavior (Unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript), the semantic nature of the content/markup relationship, and the application of accessibility attributes and values according to the US Govt. Section 508 Rules of the ADA and the W3C Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 1.0 - Level Double A. Please use these and the other tutorials whenever you may need them. They are free to the technical writing, user assistance, and web design communities. If thoughts of a contribution come to mind, may I kindly recommend your local children's cancer crusade fund? I'd like to humbly thank all those who took their personal time and energy to review, comment, and provide technical and grammatical feedback to me. They are represented in these groups: Help Authoring Tools and Techniques (HATT), the Guild of Accessible Web Designers (GAWDS), and the Web Standards Group (WSG). Please enjoy! :-) Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
