Re: [WSG] Mary-Anne Nayler is out of the office. [SEC=No Protective Marking Present]

[Joe Ortenzi]

I tried sending an email to "Web Site" but got an "address not valid"  
error!


;-)

Is that like sending a letter to "North Pole" ?

Joe

On Dec 21 2007, at 04:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
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I will be out of the office starting  21/12/2007 and will not  
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07/01/2008.

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Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[Joe Ortenzi]

Man I so agree this!

I had a client once, selling small bags and jewellery. She wanted it  
impossible to save her pictures of products as she "heard it could be  
done" and we were being lax by not doing it. She was afraid of seeing  
knockoffs in china. Completely forgetting that the bootleggers would  
simply buy a few in order to copy them


She didn't understand that the files were already copied onto the  
viewers computer and if a nasty copyright-infringing Hong Kong  
company wanted a copy of her items all they had to do was look,  
Removing copy and print functionality just made the site worse for  
the rest of her customers (you know, the ones you want to be happy so  
they'll spend more!).


We eventually dropped her (mad as a hatter for many other reasons!)  
but if your client doesn't want their content read it shouldn't be on  
the web. ANy other protection problem, once hacked (and it will be  
hacked!) will simply mean you don't trust your viewers, visitors,  
etc... and in turn they won't like you either. Not the sort of  
relationship you want to foster.


Why not simply make people register for it? Then you have their  
details and if you make the registration process intelligent, they  
will be aware they are being tracked and more likely to behave. All  
sorts of benefits and if the discussion forum is inside there as well  
then you can even claim some web 2.0-ness as an added benefit of  
registration!


Shops have cameras and security guards to make the fact that we are  
being observed in their premises as unobtrusive as possible yet still  
allow some semblance of security and deterrent. We accept this as  
long as the guards aren't right in our pockets and the cameras are  
hidden in corners and in the ceiling.


Joe

On Dec 21 2007, at 03:09, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:

Don't forget, with all the best barriers in place, one can always  
transcribe the content so the only real solution, as James wrote:



If you don't want information copied from
your web page then don't put in on the web. period.


Holiday cheers.
Mike Cherim



- Original Message - From: "James Ellis"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.



Hi

This is an oft asked question by a lot of clients and relies on a  
basic

misundertanding of how documents are passed around the internet.
Basically, it is impossible (see examples below). If you don't want
information copied from your web page then don't put in on the  
web. period.


Additionally, copy+paste is one of the most fundamental actions on  
any device,
disabling it is pretty rude and nigh on impossible anway - on some  
desktop
environments you can determine your own keystrokes to copy and  
paste that are

known only to you and can't be detected by client side code
e.g Ctrl-Alt-Tab-C for copying

Examples:
1. "Lets disable right click functionaity!"
results:
- users lose functionality
- easy workaround

workaround 1:
$ wget http://www.example.com/ > 'copy of your home page.html'
workaround 2:
install some firefox extension to ignore right click disable  
requests by a

page
workaround 3:
use the google cache or the web archive
workaround 4:
take it out of the brower cache - where it is copied anyway

2. "Let's encrypt the html!"
results:
no such thing - it's encoding, not encryption. When you encode  
something
anyone can decode it.  If it is encryption you'd have to pass a  
shared key to
a public resource or expect your visitors to have that encryption  
key.

slows down page rendering - it has to be decoded by JS usually.

workaround 1:
- decode_function(html) > 'decoded copy.html'

3. "Let's disable the printer requests!"
- see workaround 1.3,1.1,1.4

4. Use images / flash / pdf to render content
- content generally inaccessible to search engines and screen readers
- decode with OCR technology (crackers can easily do this with  
captchas)


5. transparent image over content
- adblock the image
workaround 1:
- save as > file.html > "html only"

Copyright infringment is best left up to the lawyers - but then  
there is the

argument of content being in the public domain anyway.

If you are in a closed intranet environment one way to do it would  
be to
employ someone who runs around everytime a page is rendered in a  
browser and

shouts very loudly "remember not to copy and paste!" :)


Thanks
James

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:17 am Nick Roper wrote:

Hi,

We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any  
extent to

prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page.

The page will comprise two main areas:

1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc.

2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will
initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting
text records in tabular format.

The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the
resulting o

Re: [WSG] strange cropping of divs in ie

[Palle]

The best way, when trying to get the same results cross browsers is to
use a strict doctype.

ex. for HTML 4.01:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd";>

ex. for XHTML 1.0:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";>


Good luck!


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> hi,
> If i can ask an old question, whats the best way to get margins and
> padding to be set the same across all browsers.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On Dec 21, 2007, at 7:30 AM, CK wrote:


http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html


The footer (#header) that covers the scrollbar is quite disturbing.

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Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Don't forget, with all the best barriers in place, one can always transcribe 
the content so the only real solution, as James wrote:



If you don't want information copied from
your web page then don't put in on the web. period.


Holiday cheers.
Mike Cherim



- Original Message - 
From: "James Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.



Hi

This is an oft asked question by a lot of clients and relies on a basic
misundertanding of how documents are passed around the internet.
Basically, it is impossible (see examples below). If you don't want
information copied from your web page then don't put in on the web. 
period.


Additionally, copy+paste is one of the most fundamental actions on any 
device,

disabling it is pretty rude and nigh on impossible anway - on some desktop
environments you can determine your own keystrokes to copy and paste that 
are

known only to you and can't be detected by client side code
e.g Ctrl-Alt-Tab-C for copying

Examples:
1. "Lets disable right click functionaity!"
results:
- users lose functionality
- easy workaround

workaround 1:
$ wget http://www.example.com/ > 'copy of your home page.html'
workaround 2:
install some firefox extension to ignore right click disable requests by a
page
workaround 3:
use the google cache or the web archive
workaround 4:
take it out of the brower cache - where it is copied anyway

2. "Let's encrypt the html!"
results:
no such thing - it's encoding, not encryption. When you encode something
anyone can decode it.  If it is encryption you'd have to pass a shared key 
to

a public resource or expect your visitors to have that encryption key.
slows down page rendering - it has to be decoded by JS usually.

workaround 1:
- decode_function(html) > 'decoded copy.html'

3. "Let's disable the printer requests!"
- see workaround 1.3,1.1,1.4

4. Use images / flash / pdf to render content
- content generally inaccessible to search engines and screen readers
- decode with OCR technology (crackers can easily do this with captchas)

5. transparent image over content
- adblock the image
workaround 1:
- save as > file.html > "html only"

Copyright infringment is best left up to the lawyers - but then there is 
the

argument of content being in the public domain anyway.

If you are in a closed intranet environment one way to do it would be to
employ someone who runs around everytime a page is rendered in a browser 
and

shouts very loudly "remember not to copy and paste!" :)


Thanks
James

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:17 am Nick Roper wrote:

Hi,

We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to
prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page.

The page will comprise two main areas:

1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc.

2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will
initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting
text records in tabular format.

The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the
resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications.

Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or
indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent
image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with
CSS etc?

If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for
more appropriate forums.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Regards,





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Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[James Ellis]

Hi

This is an oft asked question by a lot of clients and relies on a basic 
misundertanding of how documents are passed around the internet.
Basically, it is impossible (see examples below). If you don't want 
information copied from your web page then don't put in on the web. period.

Additionally, copy+paste is one of the most fundamental actions on any device, 
disabling it is pretty rude and nigh on impossible anway - on some desktop 
environments you can determine your own keystrokes to copy and paste that are 
known only to you and can't be detected by client side code
e.g Ctrl-Alt-Tab-C for copying

Examples:
1. "Lets disable right click functionaity!"
results:
- users lose functionality
- easy workaround

workaround 1:
$ wget http://www.example.com/ > 'copy of your home page.html'
workaround 2:
install some firefox extension to ignore right click disable requests by a 
page
workaround 3:
use the google cache or the web archive
workaround 4:
take it out of the brower cache - where it is copied anyway

2. "Let's encrypt the html!"
results:
no such thing - it's encoding, not encryption. When you encode something 
anyone can decode it.  If it is encryption you'd have to pass a shared key to 
a public resource or expect your visitors to have that encryption key.
slows down page rendering - it has to be decoded by JS usually.

workaround 1:
- decode_function(html) > 'decoded copy.html'

3. "Let's disable the printer requests!"
- see workaround 1.3,1.1,1.4

4. Use images / flash / pdf to render content
- content generally inaccessible to search engines and screen readers
- decode with OCR technology (crackers can easily do this with captchas)

5. transparent image over content
- adblock the image
workaround 1:
- save as > file.html > "html only"

Copyright infringment is best left up to the lawyers - but then there is the 
argument of content being in the public domain anyway.

If you are in a closed intranet environment one way to do it would be to 
employ someone who runs around everytime a page is rendered in a browser and 
shouts very loudly "remember not to copy and paste!" :)


Thanks
James

On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:48:17 am Nick Roper wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to
> prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page.
>
> The page will comprise two main areas:
>
> 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc.
>
> 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will
> initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting
> text records in tabular format.
>
> The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the
> resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications.
>
> Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or
> indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent
> image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with
> CSS etc?
>
> If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for
> more appropriate forums.
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
>
> Regards,




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RE: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[Paul Minty]

Nick,

in general, the web is designed to allow people to copy and paste
freely. Web Standards are, by and large, designed to support the maximum
interchange of information. So, in my opinion, you can't do this using
web standards.

That said: you could output the results into an XML file off the web
root, then consume and display it into a Flash file (or build the entire
interface as a Flash client). In that way you can render the text as an
image or non-copyable text fairly easily.

Or, you could put the output into PDF format, with copying prevented.

Or, you could render it as an image on the server (sort of a poor man's
digital rights management). You may not be able to read it properly
though.

Applying a transparent image will not be very effective as the data can
be exposed by either looking at the HTML source or by turning off images
using the browser.

cheers
Paul

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> Subject: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any 
> extent to prevent/deter users from copying content from a 
> particular web page.
> 
> The page will comprise two main areas:
> 
> 1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc.
> 
> 2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' 
> button will initiate a script that will query the database 
> and display resulting text records in tabular format.
> 
> The requirement is that the the user should be able to view 
> the resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to 
> other applications.
> 
> Is this possible to achieve in a way that is 
> standards-compliant - or indeed in any way at all? One 
> suggestion has been to apply a transparent image over the 
> results table - but not sure if this could be done with CSS etc?
> 
> If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome 
> suggestions for more appropriate forums.
> 
> Many thanks in anticipation.
> 
> Regards,
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Re: [WSG] Accessible Form Elements

[Cameron Singe]

In regards to form elements I would recommed this article
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/fancy-form-design-css,


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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[kevin mcmonagle]

hi
From a web typography stanpoint its nice and clean but somehow its not 
as comfortable to read as it could be.
Maybe crank up the leading and possibly the font size as well. maybe 
make the horizontal word count less. Maybe spend a bit of time styling 
some heads and subhead  to break up the body text. i dont know.

hth

CK wrote:

http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html

Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.

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[WSG] strange cropping of divs in ie

[kevin mcmonagle]

hi,
If i can ask an old question, whats the best way to get margins and 
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Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!

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Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site Check

[kevin mcmonagle]

I read somewhere that the latest gen adobe external js script method for 
flash embedding fixes a stacking bug when it comes to z-index. are you 
using that method to embed?


CK wrote:

Hi,

How does CSS z-index and flash commingle, or does the solution rest 
with scripting?


CK


On Dec 20, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Adam Martin wrote:

Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the problem 
is the video.


On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html

Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.

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[WSG] Accessible Form Elements

[Anat Katz]

 
Hi everyone,
 
Can anyone send me some examples for accessible framesets (I know you should 
not use them, but we do...), some examples for different form elements, and 
good accessible code for flash movies?

 

Currently I am working on a very large projects and I want to make sure we are 
following best practice techniques.

 

On this note can you recommend some ways of testing to make sure that a website 
is accessible and usable to different user groups.

 

At the moment I am validating each one of the pages according to W3C standards, 
but what other tools/ techniques/ checklists should I be using?
 
Merry Christmas everyone! :-)

Kind Regards, 
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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[CK]

Hi,

How does CSS z-index and flash commingle, or does the solution rest  
with scripting?


CK


On Dec 20, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Adam Martin wrote:

Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the  
problem is the video.


On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html

Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[David Laakso]

CK wrote:

http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html

Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.

CK




Not bad. Just in need of a little more cross-browser testing. See IE 6. 
Those among us who ignore those among you who consistently freeze the 
fonts in IE 6 an IE 7 would appreciate a little user friendly TLC.


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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[Adam Martin]

Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the problem is the
video.

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Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[Adam Martin]

Hi there,
the first thing I noticed is the fact that the footer is always at the
bottom. This is fine however I would like to suggest something to improve
this a little.

Set a z-index of say 100 on the footer, so that the content flows underneath
rather than over the footer.

Cheers
Adam

On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html
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> Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check

[Tim Offenstein]

At 2:30 PM -0800 12/20/07, CK wrote:

http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html

Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.

CK



Hi CK,

A couple quick things:
- No alt text on the holder.gif image. (line 28)
-  needs a type attribute 
- i.e., type="text/css" (line 5)
- Add a lang attribute to the HTML opener - xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en"> (line 2)


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Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[Lea de Groot]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:48:17 +, Nick Roper wrote:
> Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or 
> indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a 
> transparent image over the results table - but not sure if this could 
> be done with CSS etc?

You can make it *harder* to do things like this, but you can't 
completely stop determined and skilled people.
If nothing else, they can always take a screen dump of the window and 
drop the image somewhere else.

Lots of techniques can be used - the invisible image layer over is one.
Writing the page with gobbledygook javascript is another.

A strong but polite copyright message will work for some percentage of 
people.

But all of them will only slow people down - once you've published on 
the internet the content is out there  and it is impossible to 
completely prevent reuse.

warmly,
Lea
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Elysian Systems
Brisbane, Australia


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RE: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[John Horner]

It's rather off-topic, but more to the point it's impossible, and your
main task at this point is to explain to your client why even trying to
do it is pointless and silly. If they can see the text, the text is on
their computer.

As Andrew said, either they want their information on the web or they
don't.

The well-known blogger Heather "Dooce" Armstrong tells a tale about a
client who wanted to do this once. She replied that yes, we could do
that and hey, while we're at it, we should also include some code in the
page to disable their printer!

The client thought that was a great idea.


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Subject: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

Hi,

We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to 
prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page.

The page will comprise two main areas:

1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc.

2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will 
initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting 
text records in tabular format.

The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the 
resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other
applications.

Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or 
indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent

image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with 
CSS etc?

If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for 
more appropriate forums.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Regards,


-- 
Nick Roper
partner
logical elements



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Re: [WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[Andrew Freedman]

Nick Roper wrote:

Hi,

We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to 
prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page. 



Apart from putting copyright information on it and relying on visitors 
integrity to not plagiarize it there is not a great deal they can do. 

That is unless they have deep pockets and a team of lawyers to track 
their information and hunt any offenders down.


Even if the information is displayed as an image they can always have 
someone type it up.


If they are so concerned about their information then perhaps they 
shouldn't publish it to the web?


Andrew


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[WSG] Preventing copying of text from web page.

[Nick Roper]

Hi,

We have been asked by a client whether it is possible to any extent to 
prevent/deter users from copying content from a particular web page.


The page will comprise two main areas:

1) Selection options in the form of select lists, check boxes etc.

2) Once the criteria have been selected then a 'Search' button will 
initiate a script that will query the database and display resulting 
text records in tabular format.


The requirement is that the the user should be able to view the 
resulting output, but not to be able to copy/paste to other applications.


Is this possible to achieve in a way that is standards-compliant - or 
indeed in any way at all? One suggestion has been to apply a transparent 
image over the results table - but not sure if this could be done with 
CSS etc?


If this is considered off-topic then I would welcome suggestions for 
more appropriate forums.


Many thanks in anticipation.

Regards,


--
Nick Roper
partner
logical elements



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[WSG] Site Check

[CK]

http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html

Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome.

CK


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[WSG] [ADMIN] MIND YOUR OOO MESSAGE!

[Lea de Groot]

Hello everyone!

Its that time of year again - time for me to bang my head on the table 
again!
No, really. I do.
Presently, the large majority of us get a few days off, and, 
responsibly, we will make sure that people who try to talk to us know 
we aren't ignoring them, we've just got our feet up with a nice cold 
one.
Sensibly, we leave an Out Of Office message for our colleagues and 
clients.
But its important not to ruin that professional appearance by doing it 
improperly.
The memberships of all your mailing lists generally don't need to know 
that you are away (and its not just because some of us work through and 
are jeaous - honest!! ;))

SO! Make sure you set your Out Of Office message so it doesn't reply to 
your mailing lists.
It takes a little more effort, but it stops us thinking you're a dork.
And you aren't one.
(Are you?)

Merry Seasonally Appropriate Greetings!
(Santa is bringing me a 30" monitor. Hehehe. God Santa. But there 
better be chocolate in there too! :))

Lea
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[admin]

Dear Sir/Madam

Please note that I will be out of the office from 19 Dec 2007 until 16 Jan 
2008. Urgent enquiries to this email address will be dealt with as soon as 
possible, and I shall be in contact with you as soon as I have returned.

Regards

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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

[Bloom Communication]

Seasons greetings from Bloom Communication!


The office will be unattended from  20-26 December emails will not be checked 
frequently over this period.


If your enquiry is urgent, please contact Karen Pearce on 0402 845 300.


Many thanks.

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