RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
Hi, The link I gave discusses screereaders and seems to suggest that screenreaders use the title attribute of the frames rather than the title tag within the head section of the frame contents. Since the article specifically relates to screenreaders and their accessibility problems with frames and as it makes no mention of title tags of frame contents, it would seem not to be currently an issue. However, a future user agent/screenreader may wish to use the title tag (or you may wish to use no frames section to access frame content pages separately) so why not include the title tag anyway - it shouldn't make too much effort and may help in the design process semantics. On Wed, April 2, 2008 11:30 pm, Anat Katz wrote: thanks for that Stuart. We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to the page titles (found within the HEAD) of the html that makes up the page within the frame. If these were left blank would it cause a problem??? Frame: frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ Testing the site: IE7 - no problem FF2 - no problem Safari/PC - no problem Safari/Mac - no problem FF2/Mac - no problem ** IE6 - PROBLEM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/) Could anyone find an explanation for this? -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
I don't know if this might be causing it, but you do have a closing div for a content div but no opening content div - all up one too many closing divs. Try getting rid of this line: /div!--/CONTENT-- Casey. Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ Testing the site: IE7 - no problem FF2 - no problem Safari/PC - no problem Safari/Mac - no problem FF2/Mac - no problem ** IE6 - PROBLEM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/) Could anyone find an explanation for this? -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Delete HTML-comments, and IE6 will stop duplicating characters. See: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html for more info about that bug. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
It's the well known IE6 duplicate text bug. http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Enslin Sent: 03 April 2008 10:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6. I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ Testing the site: IE7 - no problem FF2 - no problem Safari/PC - no problem Safari/Mac - no problem FF2/Mac - no problem ** IE6 - PROBLEM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/) Could anyone find an explanation for this? -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
Try getting rid of the comments in your source code. I've not had chance to investigate your code thoroughly but that's usually what causes the duplicate character bug. I'm sure that there are other fixes for it but I personally find that if you've structured your markup correctly, indented nested elements and named classes/ID's sensibly then you shouldn't really need to use comments anyway. Cheers Dave http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 03/04/2008, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ Testing the site: IE7 - no problem FF2 - no problem Safari/PC - no problem Safari/Mac - no problem FF2/Mac - no problem ** IE6 - PROBLEM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/) Could anyone find an explanation for this? -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. I haven't had a proper look at it, but have you tried removing the comments in the source code? That should get rid of the problem. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
Thanks Gunlag and others for their replies - appreciate it. I've removed all the comment tags (that I can through our CMS) and hey presto it's fixed (a great result!) Have a great day, Rob On 03/04/2008, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Delete HTML-comments, and IE6 will stop duplicating characters. See: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html for more info about that bug. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
That is one of my favorite ie6 quirks, the mysterious duplicated text bug. I hope that's what you have and not just a bad comment. It's one of those things that have you scratching your head and marveling over the oddity of it. The answer is at position is everything _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Enslin Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:51 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6. I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ Testing the site: IE7 - no problem FF2 - no problem Safari/PC - no problem Safari/Mac - no problem FF2/Mac - no problem ** IE6 - PROBLEM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/) Could anyone find an explanation for this? -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] RNIB are recruiting a Web Accessibility Consultant
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Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
I must admit I'd rather have the comments there - it makes me feel organised. And, as you say it's nice way to guide other coders who might need to update the site. I also agree with Dave Woods: personally find that if you've structured your markup correctly, indented nested elements and named classes/ID's sensibly then you shouldn't really need to use comments anyway. Perhaps having comprehensive content audit documents help solve timeline and code-change notes and rely on descriptive div and class names for code descriptions? On 03/04/2008, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you should read through the documents on positioniseverything a bit closer. It's not just the comments. Removing comments from source code is a really bad idea for best practices. Other people may have to work on your site and it's a pain to reverse-engineer code. Use native commenting, i.e. /**/ in php, to avoid placing comments in the final source code. But don't treat comments as a problem generator. Look at the answers of PIE, it's a rare bug and there may be better solutions if your comments are useful. If the comments were redundant, than away they go… problem solved. Ted -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rob Enslin *Sent:* Thursday, April 03, 2008 1:15 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6. Thanks Gunlag and others for their replies - appreciate it. I've removed all the comment tags (that I can through our CMS) and hey presto it's fixed (a great result!) Have a great day, Rob On 03/04/2008, *Gunlaug Sørtun* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Delete HTML-comments, and IE6 will stop duplicating characters. See: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/dup-characters.html for more info about that bug. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Rob Enslin http://enslin.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
I know this is a fairly old topic, but it's come up several times and I don't know if this solution has ever been stated before: You can actually set the value attribute for the li elements with the number you want it to have. After that, all succeeding lis will be numbered based on that one. Check the bottom of this link for details: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.2 (For those that don't remember, this discussion was about starting an ordered list at a number other than one.) Jason Friesen wrote: That's pretty much what we did; usually hx and p, with ul where appropriate. But I still look longingly at the counters in CSS, and grimace everytime someone says, But we have to add in another point between 2 and 3... On 2007-Oct-14, at 14:10 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Certainly for this example, the use of an ordered list is incorrect - there is a strong hint there in the description; this should be marked up with p tags, with the identifier as the first bit of text, ie the number is content in this example. If you think about it, the 'label' of each item MUST remain the same, regardless of how much or little of the document is quoted, and more to the point adding or removing content MUST NOT alter the numbering. This is the exact opposite of what an OL is intended to do. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Making Video Accessible
Hello. I recently found a video embedder plugin that works well with WordPress and validates perfectly with a strict doctype. But I realize validation does not equal accessibility, so what exactly needs to be done to make video accessible? Is it a matter of adding a subtitle track? Thanks for your help. Jo Hawke http://www.viabledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Making Video Accessible
I would say sub titles for sure. I found 2 players that are excellent for this, the open source player by http://www.jeroenwijering.com using SWFObject embed and javascript php player http://www.rich-media-project.com/ There's probably others I am sure but these are excellent/ easy to add subtitles-captions For plugins that may be a different matter as one is limited to the plugin then, which is why I seldom use them. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Viable Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [WSG] Making Video Accessible Hello. I recently found a video embedder plugin that works well with WordPress and validates perfectly with a strict doctype. But I realize validation does not equal accessibility, so what exactly needs to be done to make video accessible? Is it a matter of adding a subtitle track? Thanks for your help. Jo Hawke http://www.viabledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Making Video Accessible
On 4/3/08, Viable Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I recently found a video embedder plugin that works well with WordPress and validates perfectly with a strict doctype. But I realize validation does not equal accessibility, so what exactly needs to be done to make video accessible? Is it a matter of adding a subtitle track? Captions synchronized to the actions and dialogue. That is, tell the story in words as it happens including the dialogue, if any. drew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Making Video Accessible
Thanks for the links, Bruce; I'll check them out. The creator of the video-embedder plugin that I'm using actually asked me what he could do to make it accessible, so I'm asking for help here because I frankly don't have a clue. But if there's a way, and he's willing to make it happen, it would definitely be a good thing. Jo On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say sub titles for sure. I found 2 players that are excellent for this, the open source player by http://www.jeroenwijering.com using SWFObject embed and javascript php player http://www.rich-media-project.com/ There's probably others I am sure but these are excellent/ easy to add subtitles-captions For plugins that may be a different matter as one is limited to the plugin then, which is why I seldom use them. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Viable Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: [WSG] Making Video Accessible Hello. I recently found a video embedder plugin that works well with WordPress and validates perfectly with a strict doctype. But I realize validation does not equal accessibility, so what exactly needs to be done to make video accessible? Is it a matter of adding a subtitle track? Thanks for your help. Jo Hawke http://www.viabledesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Rogue text appears in IE6.
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 10:51:02 +0100, Rob Enslin wrote: I've recently built a website trying to move towards more standards-compliant code. After the delight at pushing the site live my world 'caved in' (a little over-dramatic maybe) this morning when a colleague noticed rogue 'ls. text some way down the home page. Live site: http://www.londoncalling2008.com Screen-grab in IE6: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doos/2384241027/ [...] Could anyone find an explanation for this? On 03/04/2008, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that you should read through the documents on positioniseverything a bit closer. It's not just the comments. Removing comments from source code is a really bad idea for best practices. Other people may have to work on your site and it's a pain to reverse-engineer code. Use native commenting, i.e. /**/ in php, to avoid placing comments in the final source code. But don't treat comments as a problem generator. I agree with Ted here. If you butt the comments up against the closing tags, there is usually no problem. At least, _I_ have not come across a situation that triggers duplicate characters when this is done. Example: /div!-- #content -- [strong]However[/strong] - the example that Georg posted seems to have no intervening space either. So I may be all wet here. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Making Video Accessible
Viable Design wrote: Thanks for the links, Bruce; I'll check them out. The creator of the video-embedder plugin that I'm using actually asked me what he could do to make it accessible, so I'm asking for help here because I frankly don't have a clue. But if there's a way, and he's willing to make it happen, it would definitely be a good thing. snip It may also be useful to see how it fits into or what needs to be added to the HTML5 spec/SMIL. http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/ My contributions to the drafting of the HTML5 spec, particuarly in the video area are logged here: http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/review-of-html5.shtml Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
we are thinking to leave the title (in the head) of the page blank... since we have a good h1 for the page... my question is do screen readers read the title of the pages that within the frameset? Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 6:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, The link I gave discusses screereaders and seems to suggest that screenreaders use the title attribute of the frames rather than the title tag within the head section of the frame contents. Since the article specifically relates to screenreaders and their accessibility problems with frames and as it makes no mention of title tags of frame contents, it would seem not to be currently an issue. However, a future user agent/screenreader may wish to use the title tag (or you may wish to use no frames section to access frame content pages separately) so why not include the title tag anyway - it shouldn't make too much effort and may help in the design process semantics. On Wed, April 2, 2008 11:30 pm, Anat Katz wrote: thanks for that Stuart. We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to the page titles (found within the HEAD) of the html that makes up the page within the frame. If these were left blank would it cause a problem??? Frame: frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:
[WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)
Hi all, Someone's asked me about software that will read aloud from a web page, in a user friendly way, to be used by secondary students whose reading age is low prevents them being able to access the content. I've found a few examples - anyone have experience using any of these, or other software that you would recommend? http://www.browsealoud.com/page.asp?pg_id=80002 http://www.readplease.com/ http://www.guangmingsoft.net/speakaloud/help.htm http://www.nextup.com/TextAloud/ Cheers, Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)
It'd also be interesting to know if it reads aloud in an American accent!! Or perhaps the better question would be, if there is ANY software like this that doesn't use an American accent ... Cheers susie On 4/4/08 10:00 AM, Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Someone's asked me about software that will read aloud from a web page, in a user friendly way, to be used by secondary students whose reading age is low prevents them being able to access the content. I've found a few examples - anyone have experience using any of these, or other software that you would recommend? http://www.browsealoud.com/page.asp?pg_id=80002 http://www.readplease.com/ http://www.guangmingsoft.net/speakaloud/help.htm http://www.nextup.com/TextAloud/ Cheers, Rebecca *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues) (Away)
I'm on leave from 7/4 until 25/4. If you have any urgent query please contact Jimmy Liu or the following people. Remedy - Kishor Mistry Wiki - Kishor Mistry, Michael Wu FRC - Ron McNulty Regards Teru Yanagihashi DID-IT 88287 8902287 (DDI) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] accessible fluid button
Hi, could anyone tell me which is the best rounded corner accessible button? The button should be have fluid width . :-) thanks in advance. navii - thanks and regards Naveen Bhaskar Menon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
