Re: [WSG] Mobile graded browser support
If I may add to David's info, please check these sixteen mobile web articles/tutorials on dev.opera.com. They may be of help: http://dev.opera.com/articles/mobile/ Frank M. Palinkas QA Documentation/Technical Writer Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway http://www.opera.com/ http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ http://frank.helpware.net On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:41 PM, David Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a slight update to this discussion, Opera has just had a timely release of our Mobile Browser Report [1]. A short digest: 9 out of the 10 top handsets in the US are Blackberry, with 4 out of 10 in the UK. The only other country that featured a Blackberry device was Germany with 2 out of 10. Globally, apart from the US and UK, Nokia dominates along with Sony Ericsson. Samsung is strong is South Africa. Motorola are conspicuous by their absence (they only feature once in the top ten model list for the top 10 countries where Opera Mini is the most popular). Palm is now also absent. They used to be strong in the UK and US, and possibly still are with business users (I see them a lot at conferences still), but the lack of a JVM by default hampers the install rate of Java based browsers. In June Opera Mini had 14.5 million unique users (Summer months are typically quiet due to summer holidays), and 3.2 billion web pages. The list of phones should give you a good idea of what kind of phones to test on and design for, as millions of users are represented by these models. Japan is a popular mobile market, but Opera doesn't supply Opera Mini there, so there is no data. We only distribute Opera Mobile (our biggest partner KDDI - second biggest operator in Japan - calls this PC Site Viewer) in Japan due to the proliferation of high end handsets and fast data rates. [1] http://www.opera.com/mobile_report/2008/06/ On 21 Jul 2008, at 16:53, Ted Drake wrote: FYI: David Storey is one of the lead engineers of Opera Browser. It's a rare honor to have a browser architect reflect on the industry in mailing lists. Do you see similar responses from Firefox, Safari, or IE architects? So, keep his suggestions in mind, he knows what he's talking about. I just wanted to make sure people realized the relevance of his comments. You may want to go back and restore any of his messages that were deleted and save them for future use. Ted *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** David Storey Chief Web Opener, Product Manager Opera Dragonfly, Consumer Product Manager Opera Core, Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group member Consumer Product Management Developer Relations Opera Software ASA Oslo, Norway Mobile: +47 94 22 02 32 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://my.opera.com/dstorey *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
Incase it hasn't come up yet the reason for doing this is pretty straight forward. You might want to serve up the same content but with a BIG reduction in the amount of markup used and smaller image files. Bandwidth costs money on a mobile and your users will appreciate the reduced costs and download times when browsing your site. Having said that it's only really an issue for content and markup heavy sites such as facebook. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] S separators and TACG
I've been examining what happens if you put something inside an end tag,
such as /div sometext/character. The validator says:
name start character invalid: only S separators and TAGC allowed here.
I googled, found lots of folk failing to add descriptors to a closing
div, but NOBODY explained what those terms mean. ('S separators' and
TAGC). If they are allowed, what are they? :-)
Anyone?
Thanks,
Bob
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Re: [WSG] S separators and TACG
On 23 Jul 2008, at 13:24, Designer wrote:
I've been examining what happens if you put something inside an end
tag, such as /div sometext/character. The validator says:
name start character invalid: only S separators and TAGC allowed
here.
I googled, found lots of folk failing to add descriptors to a
closing div, but NOBODY explained what those terms mean. ('S
separators' and TAGC). If they are allowed, what are they? :-)
S is whitespace separator
[5] s =
SPACE | (32) space
RE | (13) CR
RS | (10) LF
SEPCHAR (9) HT
-- http://xml.coverpages.org/sgmlsyn/sgmlsyn.htm#C6.2.1
TAGC
-- http://www.w3.org/TR/sgml.l
--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
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Re: [WSG] S separators and TACG
2008/7/23 Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been examining what happens if you put something inside an end tag, such as /div sometext/character. The validator says: name start character invalid: only S separators and TAGC allowed here. TAGC means the tag close character, which is The S Separator is the whitespace separator, meaning e.g. SPACE or line break. Cheers, jens -- Jens Brueckmann http://www.yalf.de *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Select for menus
Hi Maurinerd, yes, it is for unifei (Universidade Federal de Itajubá ;D) Hi Stuart, Thank you, I will try this, but I'll try another word instead of go, because i've to use portuguese (something like go to because in portuguese go haven't the meaning of enter the site). []'s 2008/7/22 Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A drop down list with a Go button is better than a jump menu for accessibility standards. If a user [can't use a mouse and] has to use the arrow keys for navigating the menu you will find that jump menus tend to open the second option automatically (i.e. when the user first uses the arrow key) and this prevents the user from selecting the option they want. On Tue, July 22, 2008 8:03 pm, Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd wrote: As far as I am aware the select option on a drop down list use's Javascript to make it into a jump menu. If you want to cater to the wider audience I would say using ul and CSS would be a much better option. Maybe have the jump menu but have the javascript de-grade if a users haven't got it and show a drop down menu with CSS? Just an idea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rochester oliveira Sent: 22 July 2008 19:46 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Select for menus Hi, I'm working on a job for a Brazilian university, and we should put on the page a menu with links for others government websites. See an example : http://www.radiobras.gov.br/estatico/ the yellow bar in the top have a select menu. Should I use ul or follow the other sites and use the select? -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.4/1566 - Release Date: 22/07/2008 06:00 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira Web Designer Itajubá - MG - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
