[WSG] WSG Digest
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[WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions
Hi All I am looking to mark up the following information relating to books Book title Author Cover image ISBN I would like to do this in the most semantic rich way that potentially could be programatically extracted There are no existing microformats suitable for this and I do not know of any drafts. Would anyone care to offer any suggestions Many thanks in anticipation Shaun On 10 Feb 2009, at 21:48, rvalenzu...@mapfreseguros.cl wrote: Dessde el 9 al 27 de Febrero me encontraré de vacaciones. Sus requerimientos relacionados con Soluciones Verticales por favor copiarlos a Natalia Lillo nali...@mapfre.cl Cordialmente, Rubén Valenzuela T. Jefe de proyectos soluciones verticales *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions
OK, I'll bite, what makes you say that there are no suitable microformats? Where did you look? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Porkandpaws Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2009 8:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions Hi All I am looking to mark up the following information relating to books Book title Author Cover image ISBN I would like to do this in the most semantic rich way that potentially could be programatically extracted There are no existing microformats suitable for this and I do not know of any drafts. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs
From the CSS Mastery Advanced Web Standards Solutions book by Andy Budd, and I quote: Many people mistakenly believe that a div element has no semantic meaning. However div actually stands for *division *and provides a way of dividing a document into meaningful areas. So by wrapping your main content area in a div and giving it an ID of mainContent, you are adding structure and meaning to your document. But as far as i know, screen readers do not pick up IDs or classes? So even by declaring a div ID=mainNav, it's still not enough to describe what's inside the div? I'm starting to get awfully confused... On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson c...@freeshell.orgwrote: On Mon, 9 Feb 2009, Joseph Taylor wrote: That's a great link. It also shows that an extra empty element, while it may be the easy way out works across the board without side effects of any kind. Yes it is mixing content and presentation. Many DIVs (and SPANs) are, in fact, used for presentation rather than semantic reasons. They exist only so that they can have styling applied to them. They don't provide any information about WHAT they contain. On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:23 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9/2/09 07:45, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote: How can CSS overflow replace div style=clear:both;/div? See http://www.ejeliot.com/blog/59 -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com === Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions
try http://microformats.org/wiki/book-info-formats which suggest you look at http://microformats.org/wiki/citation and go from there, you may have to do little work for the isbn as it isn't in the citation format for good reason, but hey we can't alwasy be given everything on a platter. cheers L Porkandpaws wrote: Hi All I am looking to mark up the following information relating to books Book title Author Cover image ISBN I would like to do this in the most semantic rich way that potentially could be programatically extracted There are no existing microformats suitable for this and I do not know of any drafts. Would anyone care to offer any suggestions Many thanks in anticipation Shaun On 10 Feb 2009, at 21:48, rvalenzu...@mapfreseguros.cl wrote: Dessde el 9 al 27 de Febrero me encontraré de vacaciones. Sus requerimientos relacionados con Soluciones Verticales por favor copiarlos a Natalia Lillo nali...@mapfre.cl Cordialmente, Rubén Valenzuela T. Jefe de proyectos soluciones verticales *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs
Andy's technically correct, and it's true that pointing to the main content of the document is good for accessibility, though not because of semantics so much as that you can point to it in a Skip to main content link. id='mainContent' doesn't communicate any semantics by itself. (That's something they're working on in HTML5: establishing roles for main content, etc.) The real problem with div is the affliction known as div-itis, where block elements which could express semantics and/or which already have default layout properties (like blockquote) are ignored in favor of div. (Div-itis is also strongly correlated with span-itis, which is really more like a plague.) - m On 2/10/09 3:22 PM, Ben Lau bensan...@gmail.com wrote: From the CSS Mastery Advanced Web Standards Solutions book by Andy Budd, and I quote: Many people mistakenly believe that a div element has no semantic meaning. However div actually stands for division and provides a way of dividing a document into meaningful areas. So by wrapping your main content area in a div and giving it an ID of mainContent, you are adding structure and meaning to your document. But as far as i know, screen readers do not pick up IDs or classes? So even by declaring a div ID=mainNav, it's still not enough to describe what's inside the div? I'm starting to get awfully confused... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Implication of empty divs
Ben Lau wrote: But as far as i know, screen readers do not pick up IDs or classes? So even by declaring a div ID=mainNav, it's still not enough to describe what's inside the div? I'm starting to get awfully confused... A div is an element primarily intended for grouping blocks of content - hence it defaults to block with no further default styling or meaning in most UAs. The meaning of IDs and classes is mostly on your (designer/developer) side of the fence, when you work on the markup. Normally not enough artificial intelligence at the other side (user-end) to interpret the meaning of IDs and classes. Well-chosen headlines with suitable text at or near the beginning of each area make more sense there. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions
There are definitely xml formats, There's a massive one that documents everything from book title to the first time your mother in law purchased the book. http://www.editeur.org/onix.html Is that what you were after? On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Porkandpaws sh...@porkandpaws.com wrote: Hi All I am looking to mark up the following information relating to books Book title Author Cover image ISBN I would like to do this in the most semantic rich way that potentially could be programatically extracted There are no existing microformats suitable for this and I do not know of any drafts. Would anyone care to offer any suggestions Many thanks in anticipation Shaun On 10 Feb 2009, at 21:48, rvalenzu...@mapfreseguros.cl wrote: Dessde el 9 al 27 de Febrero me encontraré de vacaciones. Sus requerimientos relacionados con Soluciones Verticales por favor copiarlos a Natalia Lillo nali...@mapfre.cl Cordialmente, Rubén Valenzuela T. Jefe de proyectos soluciones verticales *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Accessibility testing
Hi all, I'm wrapping up a Government agency website. They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless; others very valid - but no problem. Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner. http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php And our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A could apparently be improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and listenability. Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)? TIA. Henrik Henrik Madsen Generator hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Re: Html markup suggestions
Thanks for the pointer Shaun On 10 Feb 2009, at 23:35, Luke Hoggett luke.hogg...@gmail.com wrote: try http://microformats.org/wiki/book-info-formats which suggest you look at http://microformats.org/wiki/citation and go from there, you may have to do little work for the isbn as it isn't in the citation format for good reason, but hey we can't alwasy be given everything on a platter. cheers L Porkandpaws wrote: Hi All I am looking to mark up the following information relating to books Book title Author Cover image ISBN I would like to do this in the most semantic rich way that potentially could be programatically extracted There are no existing microformats suitable for this and I do not know of any drafts. Would anyone care to offer any suggestions Many thanks in anticipation Shaun On 10 Feb 2009, at 21:48, rvalenzu...@mapfreseguros.cl wrote: Dessde el 9 al 27 de Febrero me encontraré de vacaciones. Sus requerimientos relacionados con Soluciones Verticales por favor copiarlos a Natalia Lillo nali...@mapfre.cl Cordialmente, Rubén Valenzuela T. Jefe de proyectos soluciones verticales *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing
Parallels Henrik Madsen wrote: Hi all, I'm wrapping up a Government agency website. They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless; others very valid - but no problem. Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner. http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php And our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A could apparently be improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and listenability. Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)? TIA. Henrik Henrik Madsen *Generator* hen...@igenerator.com.au mailto:hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au http://www.igenerator.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing
Henrik Madsen wrote: Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)? I use VirtualBox (www.virtualBox.org) to run virtual Windows machines for this sort of thing, also for multiple browser versions. Bitter experience has shown me you can't rely on simulations completely. ~mark *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessibility testing
http://www.vmware.com/download/fusion/ http://www.soft32.com/Download/Free/Apple_Boot_Camp/4-200398-1.html Problem solved? Otherwise, Firefox has plugins that give nice reports, (HTML Validator plugin may have had the Accessibility options, i can't remember, it's been a while since i used it) Apart from that, I'm not sure I can help you On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Henrik Madsen hen...@igenerator.com.auwrote: Hi all, I'm wrapping up a Government agency website. They have reams of design and usability standards. Some pretty pointless; others very valid - but no problem. Re. accessibility, they use ACTF aDesigner. http://www.eclipse.org/actf/downloads/tools/aDesigner/index.php And our scores against WCAG v1.0 Level A could apparently be improved. They have provided scores for star rating, compliance, navigability and listenability. Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) What similar software / online systems do people use and get reliable results (if reliable results are indeed attainable)? TIA. Henrik Henrik Madsen *Generator* hen...@igenerator.com.au www.igenerator.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Accessibility testing
Now, here's the thing. This software is only for PC. I'm Mac. Not very accessible eh? :) It appears to be based on eclipse ... (probably java based like other eclipse-based stuff) Might it be possible to build it from source on Mac or Linux? Has anyone here tried this? I never really quite got my head around the Eclipse IDE for programming, and my knowledge of java is not up to scratch to try building it myself. I use VirtualBox (www.virtualBox.org) to run virtual Windows machines for this sort of thing, also formultiple browser versions. Bitter experience has shown me you can't rely on simulations completely. I tried installing Windows XP into qemu on a linux host but its annoyingly slow. I don't think I'd be able to tolerate the lng wait to start up a large java application in there! - java apps take way too long to start on native Windows! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
