Re: [WSG] PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?

2009-04-30 Thread Gary Barber
Yes you can use the IE6 PNG filter. 

However note that IE6 implementations before the service packs will not 
support this either. 

And yes there are major installations of IE6 on these older subversions 
of IE6.  This used to trip me up all the time.   To the point that I no 
longer bother, just replacing the PNG in IE6 with the GIF.   All park of 
the not for perfect experience for IE6 users.


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Zain Ansari wrote:

Hi Mike,
A simple solution for IE6 PNG support is
_*HTML Code:*_
div class=iePng_logo id=ieBg img src=images/logo_png.png 
class=ieHide //div


_*CSS Code:*_
.iePng_logo 
{filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/logo_png.png',sizingMethod='scale'); 
width:307px; height:34px;}
.iePng 
{filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/screenshot.png',sizingMethod='scale'); 
width:438px; height:230px;}

.ieHide {border:0 solid #fff; _display:none;}
#ieBg {border:0;}

You can check its working demo from the following URL, Check top left 
logo in all browsers its transparent PNG, you can save it and check 
its transparency

http://expertsdesk.net/novotech/


From: b...@bendodson.com
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:31:15 +0100

Only if they are PNGs with alpha transparencies - these are not 
supported in IE6 amongst others (although there are hacks).  If it's 
just a straightforward image, then PNG will be absolutely fine.


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On 27 Apr 2009, at 10:46, Mike Kear wrote:

I’m looking at a whole bunch of icons to use in a new app I’m
building, and rather than convert them all to gifs,   I was
thinking of leaving them as the .png format they are now.They
work on all the browsers I use, but I’m wondering what everyone
else’s experience has been of using .pngs in web pages.
 
Last time I tried using a png, I found it worked ok in some

browsers and not in others.   Is this still a relevant issue?
 
Cheers

Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
0422 985 585
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
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[WSG] IE6 support [was: PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?]

2009-04-30 Thread Mathew Robertson

 Yes you can use the IE6 PNG filter. 
 
 However note that IE6 implementations before the service
 packs will not support this either. 
 
 And yes there are major installations of IE6 on these older
 subversions of IE6.  This used to trip me up all the time.
 To the point that I no longer bother, just replacing the PNG
 in IE6 with the GIF.   All park of  the not for perfect
 experience for IE6 users.

One of the main (only?) arguments for supporting IE6, is to provide a somewhat 
decent experience for corporate users who dont have the luxury of upgrading the 
browser.

The argument against the upgrade is that corporate web-tools will fail after 
the upgrade; then using an argument that those tools cant be rewritten as the 
company doesn't have coders on staff.

This argument is circular, either a) the company has the coders available to 
create the IE6-specific tool and thus can upgrade the tool to use a later 
version of the browser, or b) they dont have coders and thus they couldn't have 
developed the IE6-specific product.

My $0.02... dont stress about backwards compatibility for IE6... it the site 
needs IE6 support, do that work last - you can then at least get paid for it.

cheers,
Mathew Robertson


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Re: [WSG] Firefox Ignoring Stylesheets

2009-04-30 Thread Kay in t Veen

That is real strange. i am on a mac and see the same thing.
what about trying to do css import instead of including trough link  
meta?

i think i did this at http://slipper-shop.nl/


On Apr 29, 2009, at 7:50 PM, CK wrote:


Hi,

Well aware this is not a Firefox forum, but FF 3.0.9 in OS X 10.5.6  
is ignoring both print and screen stylesheets for the following:


http://www.markboulton.co.uk/examples/guardian/


Has anyone a suggestion?


CK





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Re: [WSG] IE6 support [was: PNG - how cross-browser standard reliable?]

2009-04-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2009/04/30 21:43 (GMT+1000) Mathew Robertson composed:

 This argument is circular, either a) the company has the coders available
 to create the IE6-specific tool and thus can upgrade the tool to use a
 later version of the browser, or b) they dont have coders and thus they
 couldn't have developed the IE6-specific product.

Or, they had access to coders who provided them only binaries without source
code, and those coders are no longer available, with the result that the
custom application would have to be rewritten from scratch by other coders to
work properly with other browsers. This scenario is a common price one pays
for dependence on closed source software.
-- 
He who works his land will have abundant food, but the
one who chases fantasies will have his fill of poverty.
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Re: [WSG] Firefox Ignoring Stylesheets

2009-04-30 Thread CK


The following reply is from a forum where the problem was posted:

After not being able to get this out of my head, I reproduced the  
page and put it up here;


http://six03.com/lab/guardian

After validating the page and placing the scripts in one js folder, it  
works. I think it was either the double quote at the end of the div  
(an error fixed by validating the page), the scripts not being current  
Question or the validation part, it appears to be okay now.


I'll have to pinpoint the problem and see what was up.

EDIT:

I think it is a problem with the scripts. they're not all there (see  
source code for scripts) One even points to a 404. The invalid code  
makes no difference.



On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Kay in t Veen wrote:


That is real strange. i am on a mac and see the same thing.
what about trying to do css import instead of including trough link  
meta?

i think i did this at http://slipper-shop.nl/


On Apr 29, 2009, at 7:50 PM, CK wrote:


Hi,

Well aware this is not a Firefox forum, but FF 3.0.9 in OS X 10.5.6  
is ignoring both print and screen stylesheets for the following:


http://www.markboulton.co.uk/examples/guardian/


Has anyone a suggestion?


CK





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Re: [WSG] Firefox Ignoring Stylesheets

2009-04-30 Thread Jens Brueckmann
 http://www.markboulton.co.uk/examples/guardian/

Your problem is neither markup-related nor script-related. It
definitely stems from the wrong media type of the Style Sheets, as
others have already pointed out.
Test it yourself:

http://cgi.w3.org/cgi-bin/headers?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.markboulton.co.uk%2Fexamples%2Fguardian%2Fcss%2Fscreen.css

The media type is text/html instead of text/css

Cheers,

jens

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