RE: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

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RE: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

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RE: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

[Smith, Jamie]

Definitely, the way speech readers noted they would like it. 

 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Ben Buchanan
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:42 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

 

 

In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what
do I do with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few
occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it?
I like your opinion.

 

This one has been debated a few times and it seems to come down to two
common suggestions; paragraphs + breaks, or pre. I think both are fine,
although I prefer paragraphs and breaks unless the poem has particularly
significant formatting which requires pre.

 

So, in order of preference...

 



First line of poem

Middle line of poem

Last line of poem

 

Semantically fine, since the meaning relies on line breaks and I'm happy
to consider each verse as a paragraph.

 

Or..

 



The author put this line over here

  but this one here

this one way over here

  ...and the form and layout is part of the poem's message



 

(hopefully that whitespace will survive ;)). Semantically ok as the
content is "preformatted". It's not strong semantics but there's not
much else to work with and it gets the job done.

 

 

In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form
semantically, both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems
totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be
the reason of doing it that way?

 

Some people feel that each line of the form is the next step in a list
of items to be filled out, and also to make the grouping clear; others
are simply being pragmatic about the need for something to work with for
style. I'm sure there will be other reasons too. It's not required, but
I don't think it's a "bad" technique.

 

Personally I'm quite comfortable putting each line of a form into a div
(for complex forms you need *something*); but I tend to use
fieldset+legend to ensure the grouping is obvious.

 

Hope that helps :)

 

cheers,

Ben





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RE: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

[Smith, Jamie]

I work for Blind Services.  This was an interesting question, so I
sought out two folks that use speech and benefit from coding correctly. 

 

The two blind folks that use speech , one an English major, one a verse
writer, noted they would prefer that the code was done so verses equate
to paragraph.  They don't want to read poems as lists. And both often
use the paragraph level to read poems to better enjoy them.  Paragraph
by line, they both noted would make it too choppy if using the paragraph
level to read the poem.

 

So, I'd use the paragraph code at the front of the verse, each line
having a line break.  

 

 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of Frances de Waal
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:42 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

 

Hi there,

 

May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics?

 

In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do
with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few
occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it?
I like your opinion.

 

In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form
semantically, both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems
totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be
the reason of doing it that way?

InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for every
editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep saying that
extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I agree they have
no meaning semantically, but they do create extra code which is not
neccessary for the content. But then again, we don't talk about 100 divs
here. So, besides of best practice, is there any place where the extra
divs may have bad influence?

 

Frances de Waal

www.waalweb.nl  


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