[WSG] XHTML: Labels, Image Maps, and Flash
Thanks James, Mark, and Viktor for all the information about the forms! I'm learning so much from this mailing group - it's amazing. I just have a question though. Though I'm fairly certain the label, fieldset, and legend tags would be supported in future versions of XHTML, are they going to (or even currently) support attributes such as "accesskey" or "tabindex"? because accesskey does not seem all that important, and i feel like it is one of the things on its way to deprecation. even the fieldset/legend seems a little shaky. grouping input fields is good i guess, but i fear w3c might even deem that unnecessary. a lot of things about xhtml has been bothering me, including image maps and flash validation. it's been a while so i forget exactly what the problem was with the image map, but i was using xhtml 1.1 and validation was impossible (something to do with the pound symbol #?) when there were image maps - it was fine with xhtml 1.0. besides that problem, the only way i can get flash to validate is to use the Flash Satay method decribed at http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/. does anyone have inside information on the w3c - are they doing to do anything about these issues? reading the w3 mailing list articles (several months ago when i had these problems) did not help very much as they were in constant debate and i could not come to a conclusion forgive me if i seem completely oblivious and ask unnecessary questions. i never fail to repeat - i am no professional in these things. complete newb. thankyou for your patience. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] more usable forms
I have never heard of the tag. This article is quite useful. It is true - every detail matters once you get to a certain level of web development. I guess the tag also mets conformance standards since the text that used to float around without a semantically defined purposenow can be inside the tag, which defines it to label the input element. - Original Message - From: "Mark Stanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sydney Web Standards Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [WSG] more usable forms > > Nice article on making forms a bit nicer. > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/1273 > > > Cheers > > Mark > > > -- > Mark Stanton > Technical Director > Gruden Pty Ltd > Tel: 9956 6388 > Mob: 0410 458 201 > Fax: 9956 8433 > http://www.gruden.com > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] A few links for the week...
Actually, your first link about CSS Filters... might help me on the problem that I addressed before about CSS Filters not being supported by Mozilla or Netscape... thank you in advance! - Original Message - From: "russ weakley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Web Standards Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: [WSG] A few links for the week... > CSS Hacks and Filters > http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/index.html > > A pencil image made out of CSS > http://www.designdetector.com/tips/csspencils.php > > Common XHTML Validation Errors > http://www.blackwidows.org.uk/resources/tutorials/xhtml/common-errors.html > > Validation and error handling - from a browser developers perspective: > "The whole reason nearly all Web pages on the Internet are malformed is > because browsers let Web page authors get away with it" > http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2004_01.html#004702 > > Thanks > Russ > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] CSS Filter (Alpha Opacity) on MZ/NS [Virus checkedAU]
Ohh... no wonder it wasn't on W3Schools or W3.org. Thankyou - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Filter (Alpha Opacity) on MZ/NS [Virus checkedAU] > > > > > > This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. > > Hi Andrew, > > The alpha filter is part of a whole horrible proprietary extension to CSS > given to us by microsoft - and even the way they implemented it was not in > keeping with CSS standards. > > CSS3 has (or will have) support for the opacity attribute which does the > same thing - and is currently implemented in mozilla (in the correct way > for prorietary extentions) i.e. -moz-opacity: 50%; > > When CSS3 becomes a standard you will then mozilla will change this > attribute to opacity and you'll be able to search your code for > -moz-opacity and all will be hunky dory. However, the IE method will > effectively exlude the use of an filter attribute in the CSS standards as > if it (or something like it) is ever implemented then it may not work the > same way as IE has implemented it. > > > Regards, > Mark Lynch > Development Manager - Business Innovation Online > Ernst & Young - Australia > http://www.eyware.com/ > http://www.eyonline.com/ > Direct: +612 9248 4038 > Fax: +612 9248 4073 > Mobile: +61 421 050 695 > > > >"Andrew Cheong" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >i.com> cc: >Subject: [WSG] CSS Filter (Alpha Opacity) on MZ/NS [Virus checkedAU] >19/01/2004 >03:59 PM >Please respond >to wsg > > > > > > Why does the CSS filter for alpha opacity not work in Mozilla (1.4, 1.5, > 1.6)? Look at http://www.xdemi.com/music/main.php?s=fun&p=links on I.E. - > notice the background of the "front window" is transparent. In Mozilla and > Netscape, it does not do this... > > I am an amateur designer - guess I never introduced myself here, but I'm > glad to be here. I've only recently turned 16 years old, but I'm very > interested in web design and even more in learning. I am very meticulous > and support web standards all the way (although I have given up trying to > conform with WAI standards haha) > > Anyway, I hope someone will be able to inform me of what stupid mistake I > am making that does not allow this filter to work. > > > > > NOTICE - This communication contains information which is confidential and > the copyright of Ernst & Young or a third party. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete > and destroy all copies and telephone Ernst & Young on 1800 655 717 > immediately. If you are the intended recipient of this communication you > should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the > authority of Ernst & Young. > > Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual > sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of > Ernst & Young. > > Except as required at law, Ernst & Young does not represent, warrant and/or > guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor > that the communication is free of errors, virus, interception or > interference. > > Liability limited by the Accountants Scheme, approved under the > Professional Standards Act 1994 (NSW) > > > > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] CSS Filter (Alpha Opacity) on MZ/NS
Why does the CSS filter for alpha opacity not work in Mozilla (1.4, 1.5, 1.6)? Look at http://www.xdemi.com/music/main.php?s=fun&p=links on I.E. - notice the background of the "front window" is transparent. In Mozilla and Netscape, it does not do this... I am an amateur designer - guess I never introduced myself here, but I'm glad to be here. I've only recently turned 16 years old, but I'm very interested in web design and even more in learning. I am very meticulous and support web standards all the way (although I have given up trying to conform with WAI standards haha) Anyway, I hope someone will be able to inform me of what stupid mistake I am making that does not allow this filter to work.
Re: [WSG] Rave or Valid point
Title: Rave or Valid point Well, what you're saying is true, but the buttons are obviously clickable. People know that. As opposed to text links, where people might not know they are clickable until the cursor changes. I guess you do have a point. - Original Message - From: Taco Fleur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: [WSG] Rave or Valid point What do you reckon, a Rave or Valid point? http://www.tacofleur.com/index/blog/archive/2004/01/?141800 Tell me and I will forgetShow me and I will rememberTeach me and I will learn
Re: [WSG] bug check - does it break?
Works fine in Mozilla 1.5 and IE6 on Windows XP. Nice layout. - Original Message - From: Ben Webster To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:14 PM Subject: [WSG] bug check - does it break? Hey there crew, just finished marking up the templates for a new site we're building here at werk. At the moment it validates a-ok - but I was wondering if you guys could run your keen eyes over it to see if there are any bugs. I've tested the markup in a few browsers - but haven't been able to test yet on Win95, 98, 2000, IE5 or Mac OS 8+9. http://conversantstudios.com.au/apa/ http://www.conversantstudios.com.au/apa/index_02.html http://www.conversantstudios.com.au/apa/index_05.html Let me know what you think, Benvolio
Re: [WSG] Small bug
However, I believe it is {border: none;} as opposed to {border: 0;}
Maybe it works both ways, or maybe things have changed. Correct me if I am
wrong.
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From: "Lindsay Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Small bug
>
> Universal Head wrote:
> > A small bug I can't seem to track down:
> >
> >
> > http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/
> >
> >
> > There's padding around the nav links that only appears in Mozilla and
> > I can't seem to work out why ...
>
> Looks to me like you just need border="0" on the images (or .nav a img
> {border: 0;} if you're that way inclined)
>
>
> > Much obliged y'all. Hey, and work in progress exhibited on this list
> > is confidential, right?
>
> Well, considering that the list is archived at:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/
> I'd guess not...
>
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Re: [WSG] Need Assistance...
Well Chris, you don't really have to know anything about XHTML. There are
no more than 10 rules including the and closing all tags. Things
like no captials letters except for values. Easy stuff. And as long as you
write using those simple rules, and include that DTD thing (just copy and
paste!) at the top of each document... you're writing XHTML!
- Original Message -
From: "Chris Stratford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Need Assistance...
>
> Hey Rob,
> Wow thanks for all that help!
> I don't really know how to code XHTML...
> I mean I don't know the difference - I do know that it requires
> everything to close like: and weird stuff like that...
>
> I think at the moment I would rather stick to HTML - just because I find
> it easier... and I don't know the little things about XHTML - although
> im interested, I might make another website in XHTML if I get the
> time (probably a photo album or something)...
>
> I will try that code for the heading, since it looks very interesting!
> I didn't realise CSS could transform text??
> I think I once saw a tag: content:
> It was in a menu I think it added >> that before the menu when you
> hovered over it... very interesting...
> Thanks for that tip!
> :)
>
> -
>
> at the moment, I really just need help with that IE bug, of not
> displaying the code properly...
> what I will do is, I will first go through and close all the P tags...
>
> thanks for that.
> I will write back and let you know how its going!
> Cheers!
>
> THANKS FOR THE GREAT HELP!
>
> -
> Chris Stratford
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Halff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 8:52 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Need Assistance...
>
>
> Ok, your lucky I'm in a helping mood :-)
> Not many things have to be done to make you site XHTML strict.
> I will only go throught the first page of your site:"
>
> 1.
> Change the doctype and head from:
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>
>
>
>
>
>
> to:
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd";>
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en">
>
> />
>
> note: also use lowercase for tags..
>
> 2.
> This could be changed just for fun:
> W W W . N E E S T E R . C O M
>
> to:
> www.neester.com
> and add this to your div#div_header h1 class statement:
> letter-spacing: 0.5em;
> padding-left: 0.3em;
> padding-right: 0.3em;
> text-transform: uppercase;
>
> 3. I apoligise for the delay,...
> This tag never seems to be closed anywhere.
>
> 4.
>
> INDEX - Build Page
> ...
> is not valid xhtml strict, also you are not closing the the
>
> tags.
> try something like:
>
> INDEX - Build Page
>
>
> Where the checklist class look like:
> .checklist em {
> text-decoration: line-through;
> }
>
> 5.
> Probably you want to close the open tag here (see point 3). So make
> it
>
>
> 6. NEWS ITEM HERE Close it :-)
>
> 7. In the footer use a span or something with a class:
> so Time, becomes Time
> where the class look something like:
> .infobox {
> text-decoration: underline;
> font-weight: bold;
> }
> 8. USE LOWER CASE FOR TAGS! :-D
>
> 9. update your validation button to xhtml strict.
>
> Greeting,
>
> Rob Halff
>
> --- Original Message -
> From: Chris Stratford
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 9:00 AM
> Subject: [WSG] Need Assistance...
>
>
> Ok.
> Internet Explorer Bug here.
> How can I get around this.
>
> www.neester.com
>
> the NEWS REEL at the bottom.
> the background is meant to be YELLOW!!
> With a dotted border.
>
> In my IE (v6) it doesn't work.
> It only works when you hightlight the text, or when you scroll over it
> (like
> hide it, then show it again).
> It works 100% in mozilla, and on a smaller resolution of IE.
> Currently im running 1400x1050 and its very very annoying.
>
> Im not going to make any changes for the next few hours.
> Any help would be APPRECIATED GREATLY!
> btw - the website is 100% CSS compliant too.
> Not 100% IE compliant I guess. :P
>
> Thanks!
>
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Re: [WSG] XHTML/CSS standards guide
It looks good! I've been writing in XHTML for a year or so now, simply because I heard it was going to replace HTML and I was afraid of being left behind. I've read several tutorials on XHTML before I gave up trying to figure out the difference. Each tutorial seemed to be too vague. Your "What Is XHTML" tutorial just cleared everything up for me. Thanks! (I joined this group a few days ago. This is my first reply. I'm not sure if I'm doing it right - I just went to "reply" after reading Ryan's email and here I am, sending this. Hopefully it will work.) - Original Message - From: "Ryan Christie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Web Standards Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: [WSG] XHTML/CSS standards guide > > Hey guys, > > I've been working on writing a learners guide to XHTML / CSS composition > and usage which is intended for beginners. It's going to be used to help > train new employees that come to work for the design company within my > university (http://medialab.jmu.edu). My boss is interested in > implementing standards compliance in our produced websites, and it'll be > important that people like our graphic designers and new coders know > what's going on and start to get in the habit of standards. > > This will be an ongoing project. As of right now, there are just three > pages published. If you have the time and want to give it a breeze > through (experts and novice alike) and let me know what's good, what's > bad, what's not clear, and what is glaringly incorrect I'd appreciate it :) > > link: http://web.theward.net/whatisxhtml.html > > Ryan > http://www.theward.net > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
