Re: [WSG] Clearleft.com
Andy Just a question re ClearLeftslightly off-topic. Please reply off-list if more appropriate. I noticed that you have not used meta description or meta keywords in the page code. I know that you guys are probably too famous to bother with such things ;-) ... and I know that meta keywords are not used by search engines these days - but I figure that meta description is still worth it for the search engines/directories that use it? Just wondered what your thinking is here - and if I have missed something re web standards and meta tags of this type. Cheers Clive Walker CVW Web Design http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tables and divs and soon
I have found a very high correlation between malformed documents and the use of tables (with the errors occurring in direct association with table code). I guess that's what is one of the many annoying things about this "debate". Its very subjective. This particular thread started when I reported a strong factual correlation between tabled based pages and invalid pages in research I am doing. From then on its been largely handwaving and opinions. The simple fact remains, that in my research into some of the biggest and most popular Australian web sites, not a single site out of about 100 I have surveyed, which is table based has been valid. And the errors in table based sites have been almost invariably associated with the table markup. One factor that may be (partly) a reason why errors are correlated with tables-based mark-up is that "tables" have been very extensively used under the ethos "anyone can create a website these days" and websites for some companies may have been created by less technical authors with common desktop software. In these cases, errors may not be caught. Agreed, this is bad practice for any company but am sure it happens. I am not sure that tables per se are the only root cause, rather that the "commonality" of websites is part of the reason. At present, CSS-based layouts are probably more difficult for less technical authors, and CSS layouts are the domain of the designer/developer (CMS tools notwithstanding). Therefore, better coding. Clive Walker CVW Web Design http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space
Clive Walker wrote: What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to fill up the height of the available space? This column has a different colour, but the right column will usually be bigger. Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a better way of doing it? Thanks, Stephen How about negative margins? I think it may do what you want but I have not tested this particular example: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ Clive Walker FWIW, the 'negative margins' layout referenced above <http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/> uses background-images to create faux columns. Regards, David Laakso Should have realised but it's a while since I looked at the ALA method. I tend to use negative margins without background images myself but the method I use "breaks" on some pages when text sizes are made v small by the user. That's not a major problem for me but you may need something better. Clive Walker CVW Web Design http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to fill up the height of the available space? This column has a different colour, but the right column will usually be bigger. Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a better way of doing it? Thanks, Stephen How about negative margins? I think it may do what you want but I have not tested this particular example: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ Clive Walker CVW Web Design http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system
Textpattern is very flexible and it's perfectly possible to use it for an entire website. http://www.textpattern.com Clive Walker CVW Web Design http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: "morten fjellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: [WSG] Need recomendations for CMS system Hi, list. I am looking for a CMS system that will produce code/mark-up that follows web standards. A lot of systems spits out tables and weird tags that doesn't validate. I'm mostly interested in freeware, but if I need to buy one to get such a system then that's fine too. I have been searching the net for awhile, but I'm not sure that I will recognize the best system even if I find it. Thanks Fjellman ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] My life as an 800x600 leper (was: Site Check: Broadleaf)
We use the stats here to guide our general design choices. In our case we still consder that 800 x 600 is used by a significant number of users. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp (Use stats with caution) Having said that, there will always be specific clients with a targeted customer base who choose to do it differently. Clive Walker CVW Web Design Ltd http://www.cvwdesign.com http://www.cvwdesign.co.uk +00 44 1403 260722 07855 590013 UK mobile This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately. If this is the case, you should not use, disclose, copy or distribute this communication. - Original Message - From: "Rick Faaberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] My life as an 800x600 leper (was: Site Check: Broadleaf) On 7/26/05 12:12 AM "SunUp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: so, seriously folks, am i wrong to hope that a site will look "right" in my browsing environment? should i "get with the current trend" and go 1024+ ? Not that everyone has one, but do you realize that there are monitors that support 2560 x 1600 pixels? <http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html> 800x600 seems a bit prehistoric... Now, you should think about getting your shift key fixed! ;-) Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
